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Holt,
And when it was covered did anyone come to any conclusions?
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Never mind. I did a quick search and found out what has been discussed about it. Thanks for the help.
And when it was covered did anyone come to any conclusions?
Edit:
Never mind. I did a quick search and found out what has been discussed about it. Thanks for the help.
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Holt wrote:yes, this has been covered quite a few times...
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Well excuuuuse me!!!Holt wrote:yes, this has been covered quite a few times...
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Wells Lamont did put size stamps on the cuff of their gloves. The mediums I sold to several members here (actually the few remaining are posted on Ebay right now) have "M" stamped on the cuff for "medium"ShanghaiJack wrote:Has anybody mentioned this shot just as they discover the snakes in the Well of Souls?
It clearly says "Large" on HF's glove. Do any of the MLs or MWs have the sizes on the gloves like this? Or if they don't now, did they in the past?
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Hollowpond wrote:Well excuuuuse me!!!Holt wrote:yes, this has been covered quite a few times...
lol.
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alittle update.
soaked the gloves completly and when they dried up, they became more yellow looking. (good thing) After that I rubbed some pecards on them to have them relax again cuz as we all know, wet leather becomes cardboard when dry. after that I used them yesterday when doing some work and they became instant Indy looking.
pretty good glove to get if your after the ''old pattern'' glove. But it needs some tweaking.
here shown with an identical untweaked glove.
and they are from QC supply.
soaked the gloves completly and when they dried up, they became more yellow looking. (good thing) After that I rubbed some pecards on them to have them relax again cuz as we all know, wet leather becomes cardboard when dry. after that I used them yesterday when doing some work and they became instant Indy looking.
pretty good glove to get if your after the ''old pattern'' glove. But it needs some tweaking.
here shown with an identical untweaked glove.
and they are from QC supply.
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Those look great!!
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Outstanding results so far, Holt!
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Good stuff! I've always shied away from the gloves with the brown trim. Guess there was no need...
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I mentioned doing this in the thread quite awhile back, I'm glad someone finally tried it. Now I'm ready to take the plunge.Hollowpond wrote:Good stuff! I've always shied away from the gloves with the brown trim. Guess there was no need...
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Looking elsewhere I'm guessing Holt's gloves are the WL Y0123 glove. That's a great price you got on these gloves also.Holt wrote:Thanks M.
I am so torn between the pigskin 1133 with the keystone thumb or these..
these are so perfect and SA only the brown hem kinda ruins it. small detail I know...
http://www.qcsupply.com/77135-wells-lam ... oductfeeds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.wayfair.com/Wells-Lamont-Med ... Q2056.html
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http://www.qcsupply.com/77195-wells-lam ... glove.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
these are the ones I got..
they are perfect, they only lack the extra thumb stitch but it's such a small detail. I am more looking at the cut, the straight thumb and the double elastic stitch. plus they are not stone white and more tan which was exactly what wanted.
these are the ones I got..
they are perfect, they only lack the extra thumb stitch but it's such a small detail. I am more looking at the cut, the straight thumb and the double elastic stitch. plus they are not stone white and more tan which was exactly what wanted.
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What's the WL number for those gloves then?
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here are the screen used glvoes.
now look closely. see the embosse?
I think this means that the 1123 are the ones used in the film and not the 1133 as we thought. I have not seen the embossed corner on the old stock 1130. the 1130 are plain.
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Holt,
Where did you get that photo of the screen used gloves?
That is nice catch on the embossed logo.
Where did you get that photo of the screen used gloves?
That is nice catch on the embossed logo.
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Holt,
Did you adjust the double stitching on the back of your gloves? Your distressed glove looks like the double stitching is narrower and i s missing some vertical stitches.
What the heck is the difference between the 0122 and the 0123? I've been looking at WL's website and I still can't figure it out. Is it just a different quality of leather?
Did you adjust the double stitching on the back of your gloves? Your distressed glove looks like the double stitching is narrower and i s missing some vertical stitches.
What the heck is the difference between the 0122 and the 0123? I've been looking at WL's website and I still can't figure it out. Is it just a different quality of leather?
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nope, it's all there. I stretched the glove when wet so that may be the reason.
I think the difference is in the index finger stitching being more straight? or another line of stitches down the thumb next to the index finger stitch. make sence?
I think the difference is in the index finger stitching being more straight? or another line of stitches down the thumb next to the index finger stitch. make sence?
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Ok, that does make sense. If you stretched the elastic in the glove then it might stretch the width and make the seams appear narrower. Or maybe it's just an illusion created by the difference in color of the seams in the distressed vs. new glove?
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Correct the 0123 is using an "economy" leather.ShanghaiJack wrote:Holt,
Did you adjust the double stitching on the back of your gloves? Your distressed glove looks like the double stitching is narrower and i s missing some vertical stitches.
What the heck is the difference between the 0122 and the 0123? I've been looking at WL's website and I still can't figure it out. Is it just a different quality of leather?
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Thanks lantzn! I thought that was the case, but wasn't sure.
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Hey guys I talked to the owner of our local feed store to see if he stocked WL 0122 gloves. He said he had another brand so I asked if they had a straight thumb or keystone. After explaining the difference, he told me his were the keystone, but he knew of a glove company nearby who made the kind I spoke of and they had been making the straight thumb type for years. He said they would even make custom gloves to fit your hand!
Needless to say I jumped on that one and asked who they were. It's the Geier Glove company. They are about 15 minutes from where I work in the next town over. I'm going to see if they can make a custom fit glove in the WL 1123 pattern. If they can, I'll let you guys know. Maybe we could pull together and make a batch of them in a few sizes.
http://www.geierglove.com/
What do you think? Does anyone have a pair of 1123 I can buy or borrow to show them for a pattern if they don't have it? I tried on some ACE brand gloves and it appears that I'm a medium. I have small hands and feet for a big guy.
Needless to say I jumped on that one and asked who they were. It's the Geier Glove company. They are about 15 minutes from where I work in the next town over. I'm going to see if they can make a custom fit glove in the WL 1123 pattern. If they can, I'll let you guys know. Maybe we could pull together and make a batch of them in a few sizes.
http://www.geierglove.com/
What do you think? Does anyone have a pair of 1123 I can buy or borrow to show them for a pattern if they don't have it? I tried on some ACE brand gloves and it appears that I'm a medium. I have small hands and feet for a big guy.
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Holt I came across this old auction and if you click on the picture you can flip through the 4 pics posted. He claims these are the 1130 and yet they have an embossed horse. Also they are keystone thumb.Holt wrote:
here are the screen used glvoes.
now look closely. see the embosse?
I think this means that the 1123 are the ones used in the film and not the 1133 as we thought. I have not seen the embossed corner on the old stock 1130. the 1130 are plain.
What do you think are these 1130?
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/i ... -adventure
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Holt I'm guessing this was mistake? The page says pigskin with keystone thumb.Holt wrote:http://www.qcsupply.com/77195-wells-lam ... glove.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
these are the ones I got..
they are perfect, they only lack the extra thumb stitch but it's such a small detail. I am more looking at the cut, the straight thumb and the double elastic stitch. plus they are not stone white and more tan which was exactly what wanted.
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I tried searching and came up with nothing. Where did the pics of the screen used gloves come from? I am assuming these are in the Lucas Archives, or perhaps the possession of a private collector? If anyone could let me know I would truly appreciate it.
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I got them from CQ supply but if the page says keystone then obviously they made a misstake.lantzn wrote:Holt I'm guessing this was mistake? The page says pigskin with keystone thumb.Holt wrote:http://www.qcsupply.com/77195-wells-lam ... glove.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
these are the ones I got..
they are perfect, they only lack the extra thumb stitch but it's such a small detail. I am more looking at the cut, the straight thumb and the double elastic stitch. plus they are not stone white and more tan which was exactly what wanted.
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about the elastic band.
I noticed on my other pairs that they are placed lower then the one I showed above. this is a good thing..
I just soaked them all and threw them in the dryer high heat.I need to shrink them alittle. once fully aged I think it will be hard to notice any difference at all between the old pattern 0122 and the real ones.
I noticed on my other pairs that they are placed lower then the one I showed above. this is a good thing..
I just soaked them all and threw them in the dryer high heat.I need to shrink them alittle. once fully aged I think it will be hard to notice any difference at all between the old pattern 0122 and the real ones.
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Update...
Took them out from the dryer after a good soak. The gloves were alittle too big and a wee bit too long. So, alittle heat shranked them up nicely up to where they are suppose to sit in my opnion.
Now the gloves have almost become THE glove for me. They still lack 1 detail but hey? at least they do not have the palm patch or the keystone thumb. The pattern is extremely good but like I said before it needs a makeover.
what I did was,
-remove the thumb flap.
-bleached the brown trim.
-and did the soak/dryer thing to shrink them up nicely.
- will pecard them as soon as they are dry.
and the final FINAL result. (still 10% moist maby)
picture with flash, so thats why the stithing comes out very white.
and original.
I'm getting more of these babies.
Took them out from the dryer after a good soak. The gloves were alittle too big and a wee bit too long. So, alittle heat shranked them up nicely up to where they are suppose to sit in my opnion.
Now the gloves have almost become THE glove for me. They still lack 1 detail but hey? at least they do not have the palm patch or the keystone thumb. The pattern is extremely good but like I said before it needs a makeover.
what I did was,
-remove the thumb flap.
-bleached the brown trim.
-and did the soak/dryer thing to shrink them up nicely.
- will pecard them as soon as they are dry.
and the final FINAL result. (still 10% moist maby)
picture with flash, so thats why the stithing comes out very white.
and original.
I'm getting more of these babies.
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OK guys I've updated the OP with the newest descriptions, companies and links. I've added a link to the newest Wells Lamont leather gloves catalog. Enjoy
Let me know if I missed a popular model.
Let me know if I missed a popular model.
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Edit: I read that wrong for some reason.
It's great to be able to see the pdf now!
It's great to be able to see the pdf now!
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Michael here's where I learned what all the cuts and thumbs meant. Sizes wise my hand measures exactly 9" according to the instructions which is why I can wear both medium and large gloves. This had me confused until I saw the overlapping at 9".
http://www.caloly-safety.com/info_hand_general.cfm
http://www.caloly-safety.com/info_hand_general.cfm
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I thought I would experiment with these.
http://www.prosafetysupplies.com/produc ... loves.html
They claim to be the "tan" version, so we'll see. I ordered each a medium and a large because I can wear both. How much shrinking do these gloves do when exposed to the treatment you guys give them? I'm thinking the large may be the size I end up needing if they do shrink.
http://www.prosafetysupplies.com/produc ... loves.html
They claim to be the "tan" version, so we'll see. I ordered each a medium and a large because I can wear both. How much shrinking do these gloves do when exposed to the treatment you guys give them? I'm thinking the large may be the size I end up needing if they do shrink.
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lantzn, I'm sold. I ordered two pairs. I don't know much about gloves, but the 0122s speak to me. also, the slightly darker trim seems to match the Well of Souls picture above. Thanks for the info.
I've been mucking with a pair of WLs from Walmart (2500?) for a couple of days. After washing, dirtying, sun-drying, Pecarding, and sun-baking, the XLs have shrunk down to about the way the Ls fit (snug but not overly so).
And Holt, I love how yours are turning out. Are you going for a specific scene? (The WoS gloves look to be much darker/browner than the airplane fight/truck chase gloves. I prefer the darker ones myself.)
I've been mucking with a pair of WLs from Walmart (2500?) for a couple of days. After washing, dirtying, sun-drying, Pecarding, and sun-baking, the XLs have shrunk down to about the way the Ls fit (snug but not overly so).
And Holt, I love how yours are turning out. Are you going for a specific scene? (The WoS gloves look to be much darker/browner than the airplane fight/truck chase gloves. I prefer the darker ones myself.)
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final result.
I have 3 pairs and these where the ones that came out the most yellow after a good soak and alittle quick drying. I have not aged them at all. only pecarded them.
to me? this is perfect and is the exact color I was after!!
I have 3 pairs and these where the ones that came out the most yellow after a good soak and alittle quick drying. I have not aged them at all. only pecarded them.
to me? this is perfect and is the exact color I was after!!
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I inspected the HF gloves at PIH, and the inner tag did say Wells Lamont, but no model number, and the wrist did not have "Large" stamped on it. Yes, the mule logo was there, but it was a different logo than they use today. So... a WL without "LARGE" stamped on it, and a WL WITH "Large" stamped on it? Oh, there was no wardrobe tag or ink pen id on the inside. I don't know what the provenance of those gloves are, but there wasn't much to id them. They could have been any old WL gloves with shoe polish on them.
I was told by a good source, that after the improvisation with the gloves, the pair used were sent straight to Western Costumes for duplicates to be made.
This may well be a case of "chasing ghosts".
Here's a question for you: if I were to have the next run of gloves stamped on the wrist, should all sizes say "LARGE" on the wrist?
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I was told by a good source, that after the improvisation with the gloves, the pair used were sent straight to Western Costumes for duplicates to be made.
This may well be a case of "chasing ghosts".
Here's a question for you: if I were to have the next run of gloves stamped on the wrist, should all sizes say "LARGE" on the wrist?
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Puppetboy wrote: Here's a question for you: if I were to have the next run of gloves stamped on the wrist, should all sizes say "LARGE" on the wrist?
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Yes! definitely if you ask me. I am searching for a stamp myself to print mine with
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I second that!Holt wrote:Puppetboy wrote: Here's a question for you: if I were to have the next run of gloves stamped on the wrist, should all sizes say "LARGE" on the wrist?
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Yes! definitely if you ask me. I am searching for a stamp myself to print mine with
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Ok, so here's something really dumb to point out...Puppetboy wrote:I inspected the HF gloves at PIH, and the inner tag did say Wells Lamont, but no model number, and the wrist did not have "Large" stamped on it. Yes, the mule logo was there, but it was a different logo than they use today.
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The gloves were borrowed from a grip on the spot.
Most grips I know don't replace their gloves for every new movie they work on.
So if there was not much in way of labeling, wouldn't it make sense that the labelling wore off, you know, from sweat, hard work and all that... (and not on HF's dime...)
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Yes and no. Anything's theoretically "POSSIBLE", but once a piece becomes added to the "wardrobe" in a production, it is tagged and logged so it can be inventoried and tracked. That's the only way they can keep continutity and make sure the necessary wardrobe is on set, distressed and ready to go for each set up. Sometimes it's a label, sometimes a piece of tape with marker. Either way, the "ID" has to last the duration of the production, or be replaced if it falls off, etc. There would have to be ID in the gloves until the production wrapped.So if there was not much in way of labeling, wouldn't it make sense that the labelling wore off, you know, from sweat, hard work and all that... (and not on HF's dime...)
My point is that without any "ID" in the gloves at PIH, there's no hard evidence that they were used in production. They're just a pair of distressed off the rack WL gloves. PIH has auctioned so much phoney and questionable stuff... I'd just take these gloves with a grain of salt. Could be real, could be fake. Like the "unfinished" ruby slippers "kit" they had to pull out of an auction last year, and the "Russell Crowe" gladiator suit that was not Russell Crowe's with a Dreamwork's COA and everything. I could go on and on...
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Oh, yeah, and Tom Cruise's WOW jacket made of VINYL!
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I don't know about you guys, and I'm sure this has been discussed, but I think the WoS gloves and the truck chase gloves are entirely different pairs.
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Very likely. I'm told there were six pairs, but that's hearsay. I can imagine that they'd want to truck chase gloves to have more blood stains. Again, anything is theoretically POSSIBLE...
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So I may have missed it but did I see someone post that a pair of gloves were actually "borrowed" from one of the crew?
As for my own pair, I have a question for Holt (or who-ever may have the answer)... my MW brand pair is distressing in a way that shows the grain of the leather more so than I see in yours WL pair.... is that due to a difference in the type/quality of leather or am I doing something different? I'm not using Pecard's to soften them, but a different type of leather product that my wife uses (the name escapes me ATM).
As for my own pair, I have a question for Holt (or who-ever may have the answer)... my MW brand pair is distressing in a way that shows the grain of the leather more so than I see in yours WL pair.... is that due to a difference in the type/quality of leather or am I doing something different? I'm not using Pecard's to soften them, but a different type of leather product that my wife uses (the name escapes me ATM).
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That's the story, first-hand. If someone knows the shooting schedule from Raiders, you could know what scene had the borrowed gloves.
APL, there's a lot of reasons your gloves will look different. Probably the leather.
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APL, there's a lot of reasons your gloves will look different. Probably the leather.
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yes, that is old history. The gloves Ford used was not a part of the costume when they created it in the first place. they just grabbed a pair that was laying around.
the MW gloves are cowhide and my WL are pigskin. different grain.
the MW gloves are cowhide and my WL are pigskin. different grain.
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oh, same time posting Todd
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Thanks guys, I guess I'll need to check out the WL brand pigskin or look at Todd's inventory next time I place an order for something. The MW will remain a part of my gear, and they'll be getting a fair bit of use next weekend; going on a fossil dig which is the real reason I bought them...
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Don't overlook the cowhide WL Y0122 in my post above. Top of the line WLs.APL wrote:Thanks guys, I guess I'll need to check out the WL brand pigskin or look at Todd's inventory next time I place an order for something. The MW will remain a part of my gear, and they'll be getting a fair bit of use next weekend; going on a fossil dig which is the real reason I bought them...
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And if you want a really nice glove, try the Midwest deer skin.
Costly, but worth it.
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