Herbert Johnson DoD

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:46 pm

Thought I’d start a thread as I’ve just gone for the special edition DoD from Herbert Johnson. I’m in London so can go through the bells and whistles they are offering.

Gerry

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bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:03 am

I am interested in seeing pics and reading info! Looking forward to this thread.

Bear

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:35 am

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many hatters HJ has? I assume it's more than just Michelle on staff...

jnicktem · Post by **jnicktem** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:41 am

I’m currently on the wait list for their Destiny Poet… since I cannot place the order on their site since my size is just outside of their available range (62cm).

craigjohn · Post by **craigjohn** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:10 am

Might as well ad the HJ link to this thread...

https://herbertjohnson.co.uk/products/d ... meg-rabbit

So glad to see Lucasfilm circle back to HJ to make the poet for the final Indy film.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:48 pm

I am really curious if they'll make their (under) six month goalpost they set for themselves. Seems a little optimistic, but if it works out, I'll be a kid again this Christmas!

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:00 pm

Merged these two theads.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:33 pm

Why no sizes larger than 61cm? and why a 6 month wait?

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:21 pm

jgino wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:33 pm Why no sizes larger than 61cm? and why a 6 month wait?

Pretty sure you can email them to ask for a bigger size, it’s the same for half sizes. As for the wait, people saw the movie and decided they wanted to buy one.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:10 am

jgino wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:33 pm Why no sizes larger than 61cm? and why a 6 month wait?

Simple answer is that they're swamped:

https://www.economist.com/business/2023 ... edora-boom

On the bright side (for us), correct me if I'm wrong, but the demand doesn't seem to be anywhere near as high as what ABs saw when KotCS came out. Maybe it's a smaller audience, maybe it's because of the high cost, but whatever it is, I'm just glad that HJ is much more trustworthy than AB ever was.

michael · Post by **michael** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:02 pm

I think the DoD hat looks wonderful on the HJ site, but I have to say that the hat in the film really did not do it for me. For some reason the brim looked very small on Harrison Ford, which threw off the whole presence of the hat for me. And the crown on screen seemed quite short and had a lot more taper than the one shown on the HJ site.

In terms of the hat I've been a die hard Raiders aficionado from the beginning, so consider me extremely biased. As much as I genuinely enjoyed DoD the other night the hat just didn't do it for me this time!

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Arch Stanton · Post by **Arch Stanton** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:22 am

michael wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:02 pmAnd the crown on screen seemed quite short and had a lot more taper than the one shown on the HJ site.

This is a friend of mine's HJ Destiny hat. I think it has a wonderful slight REVERSE taper to it. He's the same hat size as me, so I hope mine will look the same when I get it.

Arch Stanton · Post by **Arch Stanton** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:27 am

And reverse taper from the side! Very Raiders-esque, if you ask me...

bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:29 am

Looks really good!

WConly · Post by **WConly** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:10 am

Very nice! Very nice, indeed! Looks as if it was specifically made for you

! W>

Johnny Fedora · Post by **Johnny Fedora** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:17 am

A darker hat in Nutmeg with a lighter color Sable ribbon. Almost a “Reverse Indy” Fedora. Check out this new HJ video with Michelle, and a bunch of familiar faces. Fascinating, and worth a watch: https://youtu.be/7T53d3DDmkw

Johnny

Post by **Dalexs** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:11 pm

Thanks for posting that. That was kind of a cool video. Very nice.

Dalexs

WConly · Post by **WConly** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:59 pm

I too liked the video! Thanks! W>

michael · Post by **michael** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:21 pm

The hat looks so good in those photos! But that’s not what it looked like on screen to me (primarily in the tighter/closer shots — maybe it’s due to the lenses they used…). ;-)

bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:57 am

michael wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:21 pm The hat looks so good in those photos! But that’s not what it looked like on screen to me (primarily in the tighter/closer shots — maybe it’s due to the lenses they used…). ;-)

I don't think it was the lenses. The hat in the movie had A LOT of taper in some of the scenes. Also in the train scene it has a huge brim and different bash if you ask me.

Cheers,
Bear

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:35 am

Quite possible you are looking at officially licensed products in some scenes.

The tuk tuk repair scene stood out in my mind as particularly bad.

Gerry

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fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:28 am

The Aviator wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:35 am Quite possible you are looking at officially licensed products in some scenes.

The tuk tuk repair scene stood out in my mind as particularly bad.

Gerry

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I'd be pretty sure that's not what happened....But I could see the hat shape changing a touch between takes due to different hats being used, and the de-aging scene one may well have been digitally altered as well to "balance" and just not superbly done...I'd put more weight on those as reasons....The hat was clearly a Herbert Johnson all the way through....Just, they used several and some were a touch off...It makes more sense than Disney just throwing in "official licensed" products to boost revenue (It wouldn't)

I reckon

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:59 pm

Arch Stanton wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:27 am And reverse taper from the side! Very Raiders-esque, if you ask me...

Interesting, do you know if the reverse taper was specifically requested by your friend? Every photo (official or not) I've seen of Ford's HJs in DoD looked to me like they were starting to do a normal taper, and not a reverse taper

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:06 pm

Well, Fords were weathered before they made it to camera, so this may just be how they arrived to set.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 pm

I suppose, though if so, I wonder what that says about HJ's new methods for preventing shrinkage...

Arch Stanton · Post by **Arch Stanton** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:46 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:59 pmInteresting, do you know if the reverse taper was specifically requested by your friend? Every photo (official or not) I've seen of Ford's HJs in DoD looked to me like they were starting to do a normal taper, and not a reverse taper

Oh, it was for sure not requested. He bought a size 60 Destiny hat "off the rack" at Herbert Johnson when he was overseas in London just recently.

Arch Stanton · Post by **Arch Stanton** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:47 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 pm I suppose, though if so, I wonder what they says about HJ's new methods for preventing shrinkage...

That's why I'm bummed HJ's not doing beaver lids at the moment.

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:31 pm

Arch Stanton wrote:
Castor Dioscuri wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 pm I suppose, though if so, I wonder what they says about HJ's new methods for preventing shrinkage...
That's why I'm bummed HJ's not doing beaver lids at the moment.

I emailed HJ today and you are looking at next year for Beaver felt, but no confirmed date.

Gerry

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Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:41 pm

Arch Stanton wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Castor Dioscuri wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:59 pmInteresting, do you know if the reverse taper was specifically requested by your friend? Every photo (official or not) I've seen of Ford's HJs in DoD looked to me like they were starting to do a normal taper, and not a reverse taper
Oh, it was for sure not requested. He bought a size 60 Destiny hat "off the rack" at Herbert Johnson when he was overseas in London just recently.

That settles it. I'm booking my flight to the UK.

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:17 pm

How much darker than Deep Sable is Nutmeg actually?

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:28 pm

Nutmeg is way lighter than deep sable.

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:38 pm

Oh thanks for that info IJJTM!

I just got that impression by Arch Stanton‘s pic and been wondering a while now

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:54 pm

I always thought the HJ DoD looked really light in the movie and stills.

Easiest way though is to compare the color of the felt in photos of the stock models on HJ's website, since I would assume they use the same (or similar) lighting and angles.

Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:44 am

After much comparison and another trip to the cinema to watch Dial of Destiny I placed an order for a Destiny Poet! Now the wait begins

KhanVader · Post by **KhanVader** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:16 am

Just got my Destiny Poet in last night and couldn’t be happier.

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Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:30 am

Congrats! That one looks awesome!

I really dig the colour and the deep sable ribbon is beautiful!

KhanVader · Post by **KhanVader** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:21 am

Tremolo wrote:Congrats! That one looks awesome!
I really dig the colour and the deep sable ribbon is beautiful!

Thanks! The colors of both the felt and ribbon are so different from my others. Here it is with a Screencapped Hero on the left, and a Gary White custom with a very sun bleached ribbon on the right.

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bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:21 am

Awesome new lid, man, congrats! And also great comparison shot. Love the Screencapped.

Cheers,
Bear

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:56 am

Fantastic hat, congrats!

Did you get the Special Edition? What was your turnaround time like?

Gerry

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KhanVader · Post by **KhanVader** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:02 pm

The Aviator wrote:Fantastic hat, congrats!

Did you get the Special Edition? What was your turnaround time like?

Gerry

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I purchased the standard edition the moment it went live on the Swaine website. Purchased June 20th, and arrived to me in New York just yesterday August 3rd. I was planning on picking up whatever their special edition was going to be, but since I’m not local to London I stuck with the standard.

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Tremolo · Post by **Tremolo** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:52 pm

That’s sounds a like a reasonable waiting time! Thanks a lot for the comparison picture! The hat looks so good and I love that it looks totally Indy but with a unique twist.
It also looks like it has a slight reverse taper, what a great looking hat!

RelicHunter · Post by **RelicHunter** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:28 pm

I got mine yesterday as well. I also ordered the standard version from Swaine the day they went live, and was pleasantly surprised to discover I still got the signed certificate of authenticity.

It's a beautiful hat, very well made (really no comparison to the factory HJ I got almost twenty years ago), and fits perfectly. As KhanVader said, it's quite different from previous Indy hats in my experience, both in color and otherwise. The felt is somewhat coarse to the touch and quite stiff, almost like a Western hat. (The front of the brim on mine flipped up in transit and took some massaging to get it to stay down.)

Even more than the nutmeg color, the ribbon is what sets it apart visually, at least to my eye. Here's a color comparison with my Advintage ROTLA in true-sable beaver, with the new HJ on the right:

bearbeast · Post by **bearbeast** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:04 pm

Nice shot against the backpack, RelicHunter. Awesome hat. In the comparison against the AdVintage the HJ really looks like it has a nice warm brown hue. Lovely!

Cheers,
Bear

KhanVader · Post by **KhanVader** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:14 pm

Tremolo wrote:That’s sounds a like a reasonable waiting time! Thanks a lot for the comparison picture! The hat looks so good and I love that it looks totally Indy but with a unique twist.
It also looks like it has a slight reverse taper, what a great looking hat!

I was ready to wait 6+ months! I’m just floored by how fast it came from the UK. Totally Indy, but unique is the perfect way to put it. Can’t wait to put some mileage on it now.

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KhanVader · Post by **KhanVader** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:18 pm

RelicHunter wrote:I got mine yesterday as well. I also ordered the standard version from Swaine the day they went live, and was pleasantly surprised to discover I still got the signed certificate of authenticity.

DOD Poet 1 (1).jpeg
It's a beautiful hat, very well made (really no comparison to the factory HJ I got almost twenty years ago), and fits perfectly. As KhanVader said, it's quite different from previous Indy hats in my experience, both in color and otherwise. The felt is somewhat coarse to the touch and quite stiff, almost like a Western hat. (The front of the brim on mine flipped up in transit and took some massaging to get it to stay down.)

Even more than the nutmeg color, the ribbon is what sets it apart visually, at least to my eye. Here's a color comparison with my Advintage ROTLA in true-sable beaver, with the new HJ on the right:

HJ and Advintage (1).jpeg

The signed certificate was such a nice surprise! I expected that to be exclusive to the special edition.

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sam · Post by **sam** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:35 pm

Congrats, guys! Thanks for posting those pics! This is so cool! I’m sure a lot of us would love to know, what are the measurements at the front of the brim and the sides of the brim? How tall is the crown?

RelicHunter · Post by **RelicHunter** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:43 pm

KhanVader wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:18 pm
The signed certificate was such a nice surprise! I expected that to be exclusive to the special edition.

Same here! The signature on my certificate looks to be the same as yours, FWIW.

sam wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:35 pm Congrats, guys! Thanks for posting those pics! This is so cool! I’m sure a lot of us would love to know, what are the measurements at the front of the brim and the sides of the brim? How tall is the crown?

According to my ruler, the brim is 3" in the front and 2.75" on the side. Crown height looks to be about 4.5" at the pinch and 5.25" on the side. (That's for a 61cm hat, which is as big as they come "off the rack.")

sam · Post by **sam** » Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:00 pm

RelicHunter wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:43 pm
KhanVader wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:18 pm
The signed certificate was such a nice surprise! I expected that to be exclusive to the special edition.

Same here! The signature on my certificate looks to be the same as yours, FWIW.

sam wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:35 pm Congrats, guys! Thanks for posting those pics! This is so cool! I’m sure a lot of us would love to know, what are the measurements at the front of the brim and the sides of the brim? How tall is the crown?
According to my ruler, the brim is 3" in the front and 2.75" on the side. Crown height looks to be about 4.5" at the pinch and 5.25" on the side. (That's for a 61cm hat, which is as big as they come "off the rack.")

Cool! Thanks! I thought the Destiny brim looked bigger. It certainly looked bigger in the 40’s scenes, but even in the 60’s scenes it looked bigger, though not as big as the 40’s scenes. I like it! I wonder if all the Destiny Poets will have this brim size or if yours was enlarged in order to be proportional to the size? Either way, nice hat and congrats again!

KhanVader · Post by **KhanVader** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:21 am

sam wrote:Congrats, guys! Thanks for posting those pics! This is so cool! I’m sure a lot of us would love to know, what are the measurements at the front of the brim and the sides of the brim? How tall is the crown?

On my 58 the front of the brim measures 2.75”, sides measure 2.5”, and the crown is 4.5” at the pinch.

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sam · Post by **sam** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:32 am

KhanVader wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:21 am
sam wrote:Congrats, guys! Thanks for posting those pics! This is so cool! I’m sure a lot of us would love to know, what are the measurements at the front of the brim and the sides of the brim? How tall is the crown?
On my 58 the front of the brim measures 2.75”, sides measure 2.5”, and the crown is 4.5” at the pinch.

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Thanks so much for posting those measurements!