Original "Raiders of the Lost Ark" jacket question

[Captain D]

Hi everyone,

I was just thinking about the original "Raiders of the Lost Ark" movie jacket, and if anyone wants to correct me and add things, please feel free to do so.....

1.) Authentic Lambskin
2.) Satin lining
3.) smaller 1980's fitting than today's offerings by Wested, and no interior leather facings
4.) Back panel extended out to the arm sleeves
5.) The slider buckles
6.) no press-studs on the storm flap
7.) Harrison Ford wore a size 40.....or was it a size 42?
8.) the back panel was raised slightly 1'' above the arm-sleeve.
9.) And, "Raiders" was the only jacket to have the under-arm gusetts, right?

Am I correct on everything, or is there something thats missing that anyone would like to add....?

Thank you for your help!
Sincerely,
Captain D

[Ghos7a55assin]

I heard that the gussets were added later on for the flying wing scene, and not scene much in any other scene.

[rbxb]

How tall is Harrison?
If he wore a 40 He cant be much over 6 feet

[Bufflehead Jones]

You may want to consider the cotton body with satin sleeves. And do you want the jacket to fit Harrison Ford or you? If you are not ordering a jacket for yourself, and you are simply trying to determine what was on the original movie jacket, then I believe it was all cotton.

[VP]

I think it was all cotton.

[Bufflehead Jones]

VP,

I edited it. I didn't notice I had the word "body" there.

[Captain D]

Yea, I'm just curious to what was the original jacket specs were.....I "might" just buy one to have as a collector's item. But, I'd like to get as much info as possible about the original before I do. I'll check Indygear main site and read the previous posts, but if anyone would like to add things to debate n' such, that would be cool!


Kind Regards,
Captain D

[Indiana Neri]

I know this has been a frequent debate and I know this has been touched upon before, but I strongly believe that the jacket lining was satin.

Indy N.

[Bufflehead Jones]

A lot of people here try to get one that is as screen accurate as possible. It seems that you are implying that you may get one that is the same size as the one Harrison Ford used, just to have as a collectors item. You can spend your money however you wish, but I wouldn't spend that much on a jacket unless it fit me.

It seems to me that since there were several jackets used in each film, they all were not exactly the same. People keep coming up with screenshots since the release of the dvd, showing this feature or that in a scene from the movie. I think most of the things that we discuss as wether it was screen accurate or not, probably showed up in one of the movies, somewhere. I guess this is why I don't obsess with screen acurracy and just get what I like on the jacket.

[rbxb]

You dont sound too "buffleheaded to me

Here Here!

[ob1al]

And, "Raiders" was the only jacket to have the under-arm gusetts, right?

I seem to recall Peter saying that none of the jackets had gussets, except the 'stunt jackets'.

[Indiana Gus]

How tall is Harrison?
If he wore a 40 He cant be much over 6 feet

According to this and several other sites, Harrison is 6'1.
http://www.allmovieportal.com/c/harrisonford.html

[ob1al]

I've read elsewhere that Harry is 5'11".

Perhaps he's shrinking with age?

Harry, one word: PECARDS.

[Michaelson]

Peter also has stated on many occasions that all jackets were cotton lined, and the gussets were installed on the stunt used jackets. Regards. Michaelson

[ob1al]

Just to confirm, here's what Peter said about it back in 2003:

I can confirm that the gussets in the Indy films were all of two piece contruction, I can alsso confirm that some of the jackets had gussets and some did not which is why it confuses and causes controversy.
One must remmber that the jacket seen in the films was not one jacket but several. It was only partway through the first film that we were asked to provide extra jackets with gussets for the fight sceenes but as a film is shot out of sequence jackets with and without gussets keep reappearing.
All the stunt mens jackets had gussets whilst most of Harrison Fords did not. Without doubt when making the film the continuety dept never envisaged that 20+ years later they would be so well scrutinised. Especially H.F's arm pits
Hope that helps a little
Cheers
Peter

[Captain D]

Thank you for all of your responses my friends , your input is highly appreciated! And, yes, even Bufflehead's, lol, as I stated above, I was looking for a debate and responses n' such, so its all good

Sincerely,
Captain D

[Bufflehead Jones]

Thank you for all of your responses my friends , your input is highly appreciated! And, yes, even Bufflehead's, lol, as I stated above, I was looking for a debate and responses n' such, so its all good

Sincerely,
Captain D

Hey Captain D,

I know it is sometimes hard to understand what someone means in a printed format when you can't hear voice inflections or ask questions for clarification. I was not sure what you were wanting to know and I am still not real sure. I don't know if you were just discussing what is screen accurate, or wanting to purchase a jacket identical to the one on screen even in the same size as HF wore, or wether you were looking for information to help you order a jacket for yourself that was screen accurate. Somebody may want to purchase a jacket just for display and not to wear themselves, but that is not what I want to do . I was just trying to use my limited knowledge to help you with the information you seek and express my opinion. Of course, I may just be confused as usual, so I hope you don't mind.

And, I am sorry that you were under the weather and unable to attend our latest excursion to Gettysburg. I had figured as it was Gettysburg, it was automatic that you would be there. Your knowledge and expertise on the subject was greatly missed. See you up there next time.

[binkmeisterRick]

Of course, I may just be confused as usual, so I hope you don't mind.

No, Bufflehead, we don't mind.

[Ghos7a55assin]

According to this and several other sites, Harrison is 6'1.

There's a thing about those types of sites. They get information from agents, I believe, and they always add on two inches to the actor's actual height. I read this somewhere, and its called the "2 Inch Rule". If it says 6'1, then Harrison is really 5'11. Still a very respectable height.

[Captain D]

Hey there Bufflehead!

I know exactly what you mean by "computer language," lol, no offense taken my friend!! Your writing and suggestions are greatly appreciated. And, I was only teasing back.....so, I'll just let your "evil twin" do the thrashing!

But, to answer your question, I was wondering about what the original "Raiders" jacket consisted of as far as leather, lining, and various specs in general, ect.... And then I thought about ordering one exactly like it to just have as a collector's item to display. But, I'm not sure exactly if I will get one or not, I was just thinking about it.....

Yes, I'm sorry that I missed G-burg and the Smithsonian as well....it would have been great for seeing y'all once again, but I am definitely looking forward to the next one! Take care!

Sincerely,
Captain D

[belloq]

I too am interested in a quick spec list for the original "hero" Raiders screen-used jacket. To that end, it may be helpful for everyone if the original list at the top of this thread was edited to reflect all of the corrections/conclusions made later in the thread. Thanks!

[Marc]

I've been making some notes for my next Wested lately and this is what I wrote. Some things are so far out, that they might be impossible to do, but I just wrote down what came to mind.

Kangaroo leather or chrome tanned horse hide
Heavy thread
dacron twill lining with action pleats inside
brass zipper down to ¼” over hem
English zipper
Back panel extended all the way to sleeves and taper down to ...”
Elastics for the action pleats
Slimmer sleeves?
Front a bit longer to prevent “ride up” when closed
Stitching on the action pleats under the side strap? – yes
Leather facings?
Two piece under arm gussets?
Buckles:
Facing on inside pocket:
Side straps under the seam in the front? – yes (idol grap scene) – needs heavy stitches (x-box?)
Side straps under the seam in the back?
X stitching?
Pocket placement: 1.5” from where the zipper starts in the right side
Pocket flap 3”
Pocket dimensions:
Extra sculptured pocket flaps – dimensions:
Roundness on pocket corners:
Size of colar:
Width of storm flap:
Deapth of action pleats: Top to bottom?
Interfacing – definitely
Name tag?
Hand warmer pockets?
Side straps front to back or back to front?
Lenth of jacket front: back:
Slimmer fit 1980’s pattern
Collar 2” at tip?
Stormflap up to collar or below?

Chris King specs:
Cargo pockets: Positioned 1 inch away from storm flap seam and 2 inches up from the bottom of the jacket hem. I sent Peter a detailed, full size drawing of the pocket and pocket flap. It's smaller than the current 8 1/4 inch x 6 3/4 inch pocket that he uses as standard. The pocket flap is 3 inches from the top of the rolled seam to the lowest point of the flap.

Zipper: 8 gauge nickel zipper. I asked for the track to extend almost to the bottom of the jacket hem.

Lining: Cotton in the body and satin in the sleeves. Only the collar stand has leather facing.

Back panel: Top of panel extends all the way out to the inside edge of the sleeve seam.

Side straps: This is my only disappointment. Even though Peter has used the rectangular slides, they were supposed to be gun metal but he has used regular silver colored ones. I like the new attachement stitching though.

Side vents: These are great - they open out in the classic "V" shape without any effort. Some stitching has been omitted so that they work in the same way as Ford's did.

Collar: I did ask for this to be reduced in size but only if Peter and Doris agreed that it should be. They obviously decided that it was accurately sized already so they have left it. I've got to say that some scenes look like this new jacket, but other scenes do look smaller. I guess it all depends on which scene you're going for.

I came up with a few different sizes for the pockets, but the drawing that I settled on was 7 1/2 inches wide by 6 1/2 inches tall with a flap depth of 3 inches.

That's what I have so far...

Regards,

Marc

[Marc]

Generally, horsehide does not work with the Indy jacket - it tends to be too rigid and does not drape well for a few years.

Ok, so horse hide is out.

Here are some more notes:

Stitches on hem
Seam on the back of the sleeves = same as on the front of the sleeves? - No
Collar stand: 1 full inch
Collar stand VERY stiff
Collar starts exactly at collar stand
Collar more round at tip
Shoulders a bit too wide?

Regards,

Marc

[Indiana Joe]

How tall is Harrison?
If he wore a 40 He cant be much over 6 feet

According to this and several other sites, Harrison is 6'1.
http://www.allmovieportal.com/c/harrisonford.html

He was 5' 10" at the time of filming Raiders.

I've examined an original screen used jacket. The lining was cotton.

I'm now curious as to why Flightsuits does not have a cotton lining in the Expedition jacket if the stunt jacket had it.

I.J.