Is Penman Still In Business?

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:33 pm

Is Penman hats still in business? He never posts on social media anymore, I tried emailing him and never received a response. I'm hoping he is OK.

shade88 · Post by **shade88** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:46 pm

Last email I received was back in December:

I’m sorry to say due to covid shutting down suppliers and now that they are open again. Supplies are sluggish at best. Everyone is seeing a slow down. It will sadly add 2-3 months to the original Estimated time. I’m taking the rest of the month of December off as I have had 3 deaths due or covid. Thank you for your understanding.

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jgino · Post by **jgino** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:47 pm

shade88 wrote:Last email I received was back in December:

I’m sorry to say due to covid shutting down suppliers and now that they are open again. Supplies are sluggish at best. Everyone is seeing a slow down. It will sadly add 2-3 months to the original Estimated time. I’m taking the rest of the month of December off as I have had 3 deaths due or covid. Thank you for your understanding.

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Poor guy, I hope things are better for him now.

tubasthebest · Post by **tubasthebest** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:49 pm

To my knowledge he is still in business, it has been about a month since my last email with him. I have an order due in October, so I know he is booked out past then with current orders.

From my experience in contacting him there can be a delay of about 1-2 weeks before getting a response. If it has been longer than that, send him a follow up.

shade88 · Post by **shade88** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:52 pm

I hope he's doing well.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:54 pm

tubasthebest wrote:To my knowledge he is still in business, it has been about a month since my last email with him. I have an order due in October, so I know he is booked out past then with current orders.

From my experience in contacting him there can be a delay of about 1-2 weeks before getting a response. If it has been longer than that, send him a follow up.

When did you place your order for the October due date?

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:05 pm

He’s still in business, he’s just busy with orders. He took a couple weeks to process my order on Christmas, but ever since early January he has gotten back to me the day of me asking. On Instagram John said that he hasn’t been posting much because he saw it as poor taste to flaunt a luxury item while people were struggling financially. I got my order in early January and he said I am due to have it in November.

tubasthebest · Post by **tubasthebest** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:33 pm

My order was placed mid November 2020 for the October 2021 expected completion date.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:35 pm

tubasthebest wrote:My order was placed mid November 2020 for the October 2021 expected completion date.

Oh wow almost a year wait. It's worth it, he makes a fine hat.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:10 pm

Update: I tried placing an order and John replied that he is not taking orders right now and to check back next quarter. So I have no idea what is going on with him.

tubasthebest · Post by **tubasthebest** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:51 pm

Interesting news. I hope this is him secretly getting time to work on Indy 5 hats. But if it is due to any other reason, I hope he is well.

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:14 pm

Hmm, interesting... Yeah, hopefully it’s an Indy 5 thing. That, a supply issue, maybe he just wants his wait list to shrink, or something else. Hopefully you’ll get your order in next quarter.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:25 pm

IJJTM wrote:Hmm, interesting... Yeah, hopefully it’s an Indy 5 thing. That, a supply issue, maybe he just wants his wait list to shrink, or something else. Hopefully you’ll get your order in next quarter.

Just when I finally saved up enough he stops selling, my luck. LOL

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:30 pm

If I were to hazard a guess, he isn't currently taking orders to keep his demand down. He's seen it happen with too many other hatters that their order list gets so large and the wait times become so long that it ends up angering customers. After a few months, other finanical demands come up and customers start cancelling orders and asking for refunds. Apparently he's already up to a year in delivery estimates, so I'm sure he is looking to cut down the backlog until he gets caught up.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:13 pm

Indiana Jeff wrote:If I were to hazard a guess, he isn't currently taking orders to keep his demand down. He's seen it happen with too many other hatters that their order list gets so large and the wait times become so long that it ends up angering customers. After a few months, other finanical demands come up and customers start cancelling orders and asking for refunds. Apparently he's already up to a year in delivery estimates, so I'm sure he is looking to cut down the backlog until he gets caught up.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

What if I guarantee him I won’t cancel the order?

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:01 pm

You could try, but I think John just wants to get down to about a 9 month waitlist before opening up again. I think that more than a year of waiting weighs on consciousness.

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:50 pm

jgino, when you buy a hat/fedora make sure you know your hat size, I recommend you do so for a fact as this can be quite an expensive endeavor, your mistakes are not everyone else's. Also, when you get into this hobby, fandom, cosplay don't sandbag your constituents acknowledge where you got your things and show respect. When I talk to John I will pass on your interests, hope this helps.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:19 pm

micsteam wrote:jgino, when you buy a hat/fedora make sure you know your hat size, I recommend you do so for a fact as this can be quite an expensive endeavor, your mistakes are not everyone else's. Also, when you get into this hobby, fandom, cosplay don't sandbag your constituents acknowledge where you got your things and show respect. When I talk to John I will pass on your interests, hope this helps.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:29 pm

I placed an order with John in May of last year. At the time he said he was down to a 5 month wait list as most aren't buying "luxury" items due to the state of the world. October rolled around and he hit me up in November said that things were delayed. About a week or so ago he sent an email verifying my address and said my hat was ready. It's on it's way now and set to show up on Tuesday. That said guys, he doesn't truly respond when you hit him up. I've expressed that everyone is worried about him and that we all hope he is well. No idea what's truly up and quite frankly it's not my business at all. Just hope he is well. Just figured I'd let anyone waiting on a hat that he dang sure will deliver.

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:59 pm

What did you end up ordering from him?

Bdgsi11 · Post by **Bdgsi11** » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:18 pm

I placed an order for the Raiders ABL in February of last year and I’m still waiting. The last email that I received from John was in October stating that the supplier of felt for that hat has experienced a slow down and he wouldn’t have the new batch until the end of November 2020. I just sent John an email inquiring about his current well-being and also to see where everything stands now.

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:09 pm

Hopefully it’ll come around soon.

Bdgsi11 · Post by **Bdgsi11** » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:33 pm

Just heard back from, John. He’s still working through orders but things are taking much longer than usual due to limited supply access. So, for anyone out there with an outstanding order, rest assured that he is doing his absolute best to fulfill all orders as quickly as possible but as of now he is at the mercy of the suppliers.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:32 am

Sounds like a supplier issue. Hopefully in the next few months he catches up and starts accepting new orders.

Indiana_Nate · Post by **Indiana_Nate** » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:11 pm

I am happy to report that I received my ABL Crystal Skull today from my initial order back in May of last year. It was originally due in November, but I received the same notification from John as others that there were some supply issues due to COVID and that my order was delayed. It's my first handmade Penman as well as my first beaver felt, and she's a beauty. Just wanted to pass this along to those still waiting. There is light at the end of the tunnel!

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:00 pm

Nate, please post pictures if you’re able to and if possible could you do some of it next to your HJs?

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:15 pm

Please post the photos in the ‘Penman post em up’ thread so we won’t have duplicate threads.

Thanks!

Regards! Michaelson

Indiana_Nate · Post by **Indiana_Nate** » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:37 am

IJJTM wrote:Nate, please post pictures if you’re able to and if possible could you do some of it next to your HJs?

Took me a few days, but comparison pics are up on the “Penman Post em Up” thread.

teneas · Post by **teneas** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:38 pm

IJJTM wrote:What did you end up ordering from him?

I actually finally ordered a "Penman". Have a TON of Indy hats and wanted a Penman since I first saw that style on his website. Beautiful hat

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:59 pm

Very nice.

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:45 am

I’ve just got my ETA of April for my Grey Charcoal Eno $\:D/$ I ordered last June.

Not an Indy hat but he is very much still in business!

Gerry

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:00 am

Nice, share pictures in the post’em up page if you get the chance.

The Aviator · Post by **The Aviator** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:22 pm

Not sure it would be strictly allowed in the Penman's post em up as it’s a non-Indy, but I’ll slip it in here under the guise that John is still very much plugging away at getting hats out!

Although, if Indy 5 ever comes about we may see a shorter 60s-ish brim

You never know.

Gerry

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:55 pm

That WILL be the end of the franchise!!

Regards! Michaelson

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:17 am

Sharing the latest info I have in the appropriate forum, which is that John is not taking any new orders at this time because he’s “going to be busy for a while”.

But they do still have some Everyman hats ready to ship upon payment. I only checked on my size, and can confirm that 58cm is available as of last week.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:42 am

Chose Poorly wrote:Sharing the latest info I have in the appropriate forum, which is that John is not taking any new orders at this time because he’s “going to be busy for a while”. But they do still have some Everyman hats ready to ship upon payment. I only checked on my size, and can confirm that 58cm is available as of last week.

Any idea when he will start taking new orders?

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:24 pm

jgino wrote:
Chose Poorly wrote:Sharing the latest info I have in the appropriate forum, which is that John is not taking any new orders at this time because he’s “going to be busy for a while”. But they do still have some Everyman hats ready to ship upon payment. I only checked on my size, and can confirm that 58cm is available as of last week.
Any idea when he will start taking new orders?

They didn’t share anything more specific. I imagine it will be a while. He’s faced a lot of pandemic-driven delays from suppliers recently, paired with his usual lead time and anything else keeping him busy... like a stomach ache, waiting in line at the DMV for a license renewal, or the fifth installment of a major film franchise. No telling...

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:31 pm

Chose Poorly wrote:
jgino wrote:
Chose Poorly wrote:Sharing the latest info I have in the appropriate forum, which is that John is not taking any new orders at this time because he’s “going to be busy for a while”. But they do still have some Everyman hats ready to ship upon payment. I only checked on my size, and can confirm that 58cm is available as of last week.
Any idea when he will start taking new orders?
They didn’t share anything more specific. I imagine it will be a while. He’s faced a lot of pandemic-driven delays from suppliers recently, paired with his usual lead time and anything else keeping him busy... like a stomach ache, waiting in line at the DMV for a license renewal, or the fifth installment of a major film franchise. No telling...

Oh wow, you think he's doing the next Indy film?

Chose Poorly · Post by **Chose Poorly** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:16 pm

jgino wrote:
Chose Poorly wrote:
jgino wrote:
Chose Poorly wrote:Sharing the latest info I have in the appropriate forum, which is that John is not taking any new orders at this time because he’s “going to be busy for a while”. But they do still have some Everyman hats ready to ship upon payment. I only checked on my size, and can confirm that 58cm is available as of last week.
Any idea when he will start taking new orders?
They didn’t share anything more specific. I imagine it will be a while. He’s faced a lot of pandemic-driven delays from suppliers recently, paired with his usual lead time and anything else keeping him busy... like a stomach ache, waiting in line at the DMV for a license renewal, or the fifth installment of a major film franchise. No telling...
Oh wow, you think he's doing the next Indy film?

No idea. I'm just speculating. Like I said, all I got from the person responding to emails on his behalf was "Mr. Penman will not be around for a while."

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:28 pm

I would check back with him around May.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:16 pm

I doubt that Indy 5 would be at the hat-making stage, but John has a lot of well-known and well-connected clients. He could be involved in any number of projects as a result. Or perhaps he has a big personal crisis. Not uncommon these days. For his sake, I hope he's working on some top secret Hollywood stuff.

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:09 pm

Same here, I hope he’s doing well.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:42 pm

It’s still strange that he completely disappeared from all social media.

IJJTM · Post by **IJJTM** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:14 pm

On a July 27th post I think he explained himself quite well “ Penman hats may be my livelihood but I’m very aware they’re a luxury item. It seemed in poor taste to flaunt a luxury when many people were struggling.” On top of that I think social media can be draining at times, so staying away during these hard times may help John feel better.

ChrisMD · Post by **ChrisMD** » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:58 am

Speaking from working in a manufacturing facility currently, Penman is correct. Even with stuff reopening, there are massive slowdowns on all types of things. Right now international is the worst just due to covid related issues and restrictions. I work in optics, so it could be different but trying to get product and raw materials lately can be quite the guessing game.

The worst part is, it is SO random.

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jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:05 am

jgino wrote:It’s still strange that he completely disappeared from all social media.

Not really, especially not if he's not taking orders. I'm running a business by myself as well and if my days are busy, I'm hard pressed to post on Instagram.

jgino · Post by **jgino** » Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:10 pm

jlee562 wrote:
jgino wrote:It’s still strange that he completely disappeared from all social media.
Not really, especially not if he's not taking orders. I'm running a business by myself as well and if my days are busy, I'm hard pressed to post on Instagram.

Very true.

Bdgsi11 · Post by **Bdgsi11** » Sun May 23, 2021 6:54 pm

Well, not exactly sure what’s going on with Penman Hats. Today I just received an automatic refund for the ABL Raiders order that was placed in February 2020. Wasn’t even offered to put it towards a different hat. Really wish that I was able to order one of these a lot sooner as I thought that John did a fantastic job with this model. Above all else though, I hope that John is doing well and eventually recovers from whatever it is that is affecting him.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Sun May 23, 2021 8:22 pm

I hope this will give you all at least some peace and help to calm any speculation....

I had sent a follow up inquiry to John and here is the answer I received....

In my last inquiry, I had attempted to make contact with John and I was told that an assistant is answering his messages and that he is ill.

There are people who are concerned about John, if he is ill or if he is making hats for the new Indy 5 movie..?

Do you have an official statement or do you have anything that I can share with the guys who are concerned?

We hope he is well, but many think that he may be working on the new movie hats?

Can you tell me what is going on?

Answer:

I would love to say he is working on the movie but he isn’t. He is ill and that is all I’m aloud to say.

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Indiana_Nate · Post by **Indiana_Nate** » Sun May 23, 2021 8:34 pm

Thanks for the update Scott. I was hoping that he was secretly making the hats for Indy V and not in fact ill, but sadly this doesn’t seem to be the case. Regardless, I hope that he gets well soon. He has a whole community here to support him!

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