I GOT IT!!!

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:56 am

YAHOO! Only 20 days after ordering!!! I could have gotten here one day earlier, but I just missed the delivery guy yesterday. VERY QUICK!
(I'm in Holland btw.)

The jacket is just great!!!

I'm very happy with it! I got home, tore open the package (very good packaging btw) and put it on!

It is an authentic goatskin ToD with under arm gussets, two inside pockets, hidden press studs on the storm flap and elastic in the action pleats. The jacket fits me very well although it could be a bit tight to other people, but I like a good fit with jackets. The collar/neck size however could be a bit bigger I think, since I can barely close the upper press stud. With a sweater on, I would almost be choked if I would close the upper press stud. Maybe this is because the ToD originally doesn't have these...? I have a size 40.

This is just one minor problem on a jacket that is perfect in any other way and is an example of Wested's great craftmenship! ToD is just a great model, since the length is just perfect for me.

About the conditioning. I haven't got Pecard (couldn't find it in a store here), but I did buy "Rapide Leather Cream". I think it is the same. It's a colorless cream which can be used to protect all kinds of leather objects against outdoor conditions. This exact product is on this website: http://www.rapide-bv.nl/ (Click on "Leather care" and then "Leathercream".) I have the clear version (colorless). Is this the right product to use for my jacket? The salesman told me it is, but I just want to be sure.

I'm just going to wear the jacket a bit now.

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:28 pm

Congratulations Indiana Gus!

I ordered and recieved just about the very same jacket as yours a little time ago. ToD auth. goat, gussets, elastics, hidden studs, two inner pockets, rectangular rings, X-box sidestraps. I sent mine back for some alterations and one of them is making the collar a bit larger around the neck as I felt the same way you did about it. I'm looking for a conditioner for when it returns, so thanks a lot for the heads up. They even have distribution in Sweden.

I'm looking for a product that will not darken the distressed parts (natural of course

) and maybe this is it.

Enjoy your new jacket! I know I will when mine returns.

Regards,
Swindiana

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:47 pm

Make sure that the leather stuff you bought does not contain any
silicones or Petroleum distillates that can clog the pores of your jacket
and ruin the leather.

Alot of these products contain these things in order to add a shine to
the surface of the leather that people seem to love so much.

This is actually quite bad for the longevity of the garments.

Pecards and Lexol are two products that DO NOT have these things
in them. Thats why they work so well.

Flathead

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:54 am

Dear Flathead,

This what the website says about the cream I bought:
Leather-cream is developed for the maintenance of all your leather products. Get's down in to the poors of the leather and keeps it flexible and water repellent. Conserves the leather and can be used on furniture, bags, coats, saddles, etc. etc.
Instructions for use:
Rub well with a flannel rag or a brush. Let it penetrate some time and if necessary, rub it out. With regular use, the leather is flexible and water reppelent.

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:01 am

Indiana Gus wrote:Dear Flathead,

This what the website says about the cream I bought:
Leather-cream is developed for the maintenance of all your leather products. Get's down in to the poors of the leather and keeps it flexible and water repellent. Conserves the leather and can be used on furniture, bags, coats, saddles, etc. etc.
Instructions for use:
Rub well with a flannel rag or a brush. Let it penetrate some time and if necessary, rub it out. With regular use, the leather is flexible and water reppelent.

That's fine and dandy about application instructions, and what it does for the leather, .....

BUT

does not contain any silicones or Petroleum distillates that can clog the pores of your jacket ???

Thats what FLATHEAD is trying to warn you about. Just read the instructions on the bottle. If you have already used it, it's not going to destroy your jacket, but maybe you should thik of picking up some of the recommended products for future use.

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:34 am

There's not much information about what it contains. The tag only mentions that the cream does not contain any harmful ingredients for the leather.
It smells like nuts btw.

IndianaGuybrush · Post by **IndianaGuybrush** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:13 pm

You know, I thought Pecards was a petroleum product

. I thought I remember someone saying that...

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:54 pm

IndianaGuybrush wrote:You know, I thought Pecards was a petroleum product . I thought I remember someone saying that...

There you go thinkin', again.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:01 pm

You know, I thought Pecards was a petroleum product . I thought I remember someone saying that...

Taken from the literature sent with the Creme/Jell:
Pecard Leather Care products are a clean, SAFE cosmetic treatment for your valuable leather collections.

Taken stright from the canister label:
Warning: May be harmful or fatal if swallowed. Contains petroleum distillates. Keep out of reach of children. Do not induce vomiting.

So the moral of the story is: don't puke on your jacket.

IndianaGuybrush · Post by **IndianaGuybrush** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:11 pm

See Bufflehead! I was right! Hmph, I'd brag some more but as the good twin it's my duty to play Gallant to your Goofus.

So the question remains: If petroleum distillates are bad for leather, and if Pecards Gel is made of petroleum distillates, why isn't the Gel bad for leather? Also, the standard dressing is just the Gel with Beeswax in it, so the standard dressing must contain petroleum distillates as well! This sounds like a job for : ba ba BAAAA.... MICHAELSON!

::cut to shot of Indiana Ken wearing a fake moustache flying through a window, only to be replaced by Michaelson in the next frame::

Post by **Ken** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:33 am

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:57 am

I applied the Rapide Leather Cream and it seems to work just fine. I suspect it is very similar to Pecards. It comes in a nice old fashioned can, which seems to have not changed in 50 years. Another good fit with this jacket style

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:59 am

Again on the neck size. Has anyone experienced the same thing? (see my first post here)

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:51 am

OOpps, my bad. I got the silicones and the petroleum products mixed
up. Sorry about that.

Pecards does indeed contain them. What it
does not have are the silicones, which are indeed bad for the longevity
of your leather.

I know that if you leave the petroleum distallate products out in the cold, and they
freeze, they will crystallize and not be good anymore.

Sorry if I caused any confusion. It sounds like the product you want to
use is a good one. Enjoy it.

Again, sorry if I caused any confusion...

Flathead.

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:30 pm

No confusion Flathead. Everything is clear now.

JerseyJones · Post by **JerseyJones** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:33 pm

IndianaGuybrush wrote:See Bufflehead! I was right! Hmph, I'd brag some more but as the good twin it's my duty to play Gallant to your Goofus.

::

NICE with the Highlights reference ! !

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:36 pm

My question is, who is the fellow holding the whip? Is it the real Michaelson, or his stunt double? Hard to tell, isn't it?

Regards. Michaelson

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:41 pm

JerseyJones wrote:
IndianaGuybrush wrote:See Bufflehead! I was right! Hmph, I'd brag some more but as the good twin it's my duty to play Gallant to your Goofus.

::
NICE with the Highlights reference ! !

Highlights......Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. A long time.

WOW! I remember those magazines. The doctors office when I was a kid was filled with them. I used to love it. I wonder if they are still available??

Ahem, back to topic. Uh... Highlights,.. uh, yeah. If you use Pecards on your Distressed jackets, you may lose most of the highlights.

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Sun May 02, 2004 2:31 pm

I finally made some pics. (The quality isn't great.) The jacket looks a little dark in these pics, but that's because I had to use the flash.

One with the jacket open:

Zipped up:

Close-up of the gussets and brass rings:

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Sun May 02, 2004 10:33 pm

Nice jacket Gus!! Your sleeve length is perfect! And the pocket placement
is right on!

You got a beauty there! Enjoy it!! It looks like it fits you really well
thru the body too. Not too big, not too tight. Just right!

Flathead

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Mon May 10, 2004 10:25 am

I opted for the Rapide Leather-dressing. I just got off the phone with the Swedish distributor, a polite guy who LOVED talking leather and seemed to know his business.

This product seems to be just what I need for my goat and I think it is similar to the Pecard eqivalent recommended for leather other than lamb on their site. (No silicone in there.) I've ordered a small container and will try it out. Firstly, I need my jacket back in order to give a review though.

http://www.rapide-bv.nl/dress_eng.html

Any thoughts?

Regards,
Swindiana

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:41 pm

This leather cream is basically the same as Pecards, I think. After applying it, my jacket is water resistant. When you're out in the rain, the droplets stay on the jacket and do not get absorbed. Also, the jacket feels more smooth and it makes nice crackling sounds when wearing it.

My left sleeve however, has become a little wrinkled since I got the jacket three weeks ago. I've been wearing it daily. The leather of the left sleeve seems to be more thick then the rest of the jacket and although I think this is normal with leather products, I wish it would be as soft as the right sleeve though, which looks somewhat better to me. I'll put up some pictures of this when I've got the time.
Anyone else with this issue? My jacket is authentic goat btw..

IndianaGuybrush · Post by **IndianaGuybrush** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:46 pm

I found that this was happening to me too, but I don't think it was because of the leather on the left sleeve being thicker. I figured out that it was because when I drive I drive with my right arm extended on the steerign wheel, and my left arm bent on the door where the window is. I would go whole stretches of 5 hours or more with my left arm bent and my right more or less straight, so my left sleeve wrinkled up more than my right! I've been switching now though so they look more or less the same

Swindiana · Post by **Swindiana** » Mon May 10, 2004 3:08 pm

I guess one could always walk around with a handle weight in one hand until they are even...

Regards,
Swindy

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:28 am

That is a fine looking jacket and it fit's you very well!

Is it just me, or does the collar seem to be very Last Crusade-ish?

Whatever, it looks good.

Indiana Gus · Post by **Indiana Gus** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:42 am

Thanks mate!

Is it just me, or does the collar seem to be very Last Crusade-ish?

Maybe it's because it's only a size 40 jacket, so the collar will look bigger and be bigger in relation to the rest of the jacket, compared to bigger sizes.

Something else, I've decided to keep the brass rings the way they are put in that pic and not put them the other way around (in reverse). The backside, the rectangular size, has a small space in it, it's not a closed ring, so it doesn't look as good as the other side imho.

I hope you guys understand my writings

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:31 am

Your writing is excellent - no worries about that

Yeah - I prefer the brass rings the way they are.

The only time it might be good is with the softer skins - particularly lambskin, if the side-strap keeps slipping all the time.

Captain D · Post by **Captain D** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:51 pm

Nice lookin' jacket, thanks for sharing, and the authentic goat looks pretty good also!

This may be off topic, but maybe not....but I recall a few of us chatting about how the Temple of Doom jacket, and the Last Crusade jacket, had the arm sleeve connecting DIRECTLY to the upper seam/yoke.....but NOT on the "Raiders" jacket since the upper seam/yoke was raised slightly ABOVE the arm sleeve seam.

However, in this pic, it appears that this Temple of Doom jacket has the upper seam/yoke RAISED ABOVE the arm sleeve seam. Just outta curiosity, is this now "standard" on all Westeds' including Temple and Crusade jackets, not just for the "Raiders" style jacket? Not nick-picking this jacket, it looks like a GREAT jacket

, just curious to ask if anyone knew....

Kind Regards,
Captain D

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