Screen used Raiders fedora up for auction in UK

indy1936 · Post by **indy1936** » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:00 pm

Has anyone seen this in the news? "Prop Store said the whip used by Ford in Indiana Jones and The Temple Of Doom is poised to sell for between £50,000 and £70,000, while his fedora from The Raiders Of The Lost Ark is expected to sell for between £200,000 and £300,000."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45027242

The pinch looks screen accurate and there appears to be a turn.

belloq · Post by **belloq** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:44 am

Is that the same one Screenused sold years ago? (which was thought to be the hero hat because the sweat stains and aging powder marks matched up.)

mark seven · Post by **mark seven** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:22 am

Can someone lend me £300,000?

craigjohn · Post by **craigjohn** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:02 am

I wonder how much that crate is expecting to pull?

darthjones2 · Post by **darthjones2** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:01 pm

It does appear to be the same hat as Screenused. Match up the bow and dirt spatterings. Anyone else look at this?

AAAAANNNDDDDDDDD..... if anyone over there can attend this auction it would be great to get a photo from above!

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:48 pm

Here's another link to another article about the auction:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/i ... spartanntp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:12 pm

Great Tested video and features the fedora.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGuJ9F9pWNA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can skip to the 9:00 mark if you'd like.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:29 pm

Thanks Jeff!

Woww...amazing hat

When they show the interior of the hat, we can clearly see that it was used with the sweatband fold it at the middle.
In order to tight the fit.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:54 pm

So looks like 3Thousandbucks was right about the folded sweat.

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:29 pm

Isn't it great how he says in the video... "this is the real prize" and "a very special thing"... then proceeds to pick up the fedora by PINCHING THE CROWN!

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:42 pm

Just like Harrison Ford did it.

Post by **Indy Magnoli** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:28 pm

Yeah, it looks cool... until you wear a hole in the front of your hat:

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:29 pm

Si, Senor.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:00 am

I asked Brandon and he said it was indeed ScreenUsed's hat. We have pics of it up on the main site, but it was cool to see the interior of it!

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:36 am

Glad we finally figured that out. Thanks for asking Mike

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:00 am

Indy Magnoli wrote:... then proceeds to pick up the fedora by PINCHING THE CROWN!

I thought the same thing!

At first I was surprised Norm wasn't geeking out more, but then it occurred to me Adam Savage is more of a hat guy and would have been bouncing off the walls to be that close to the fedora.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

CatManDoo88 · Post by **CatManDoo88** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:05 am

Jeremiah wrote:So looks like 3Thousandbucks was right about the folded sweat.

It's amazing how many little details the old guard of members here figured out through their research and years of trial and error. I've been reading through old threads since I joined and it never surprises me how much dedication and thought they put into this hobby. Those of us who have come since are really indebted to them.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:08 am

It would also amaze you on how much we 'learned' or 'figured out' that after years have passed we discovered was totally wrong!

That's why this hobby is always interesting, as no door has ever completely 'closed'.

Regards! Michaelson

Major · Post by **Major** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:53 am

It's amazing to see all the nuances...... and man, to be able to snag that.

mark seven · Post by **mark seven** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:27 pm

The catalogue will be out soon-definitely going to grab a copy! The hat will be on public display in London before the auction-I can't wait! I've wanted to see this hat in person since screenused first shared his pics!

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:34 pm

I'm surprised Herbert Johnson hasn't asked to display it since it was in town.

Regard! M

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:14 pm

So. I wonder if the folded sweatband was Ford’s way of keeping that hat from blowing off his head while on horse and truck? Makes sense to me.

michael · Post by **michael** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:13 pm

I was not aware that this specific hat existed. It looks in remarkably good shape, even if it was cleaned.

I have to ask: we’re sure it’s legit, right?

Very exiting to see!

Post by **Mike** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:50 am

michael wrote:I have to ask: we’re sure it’s legit, right?

Yes. ScreenUsed had a posting about it MANY moons back with comparison pics to movie stills and backed its providence. Brandon is also a trusted collector/dealer.

darthjones2 · Post by **darthjones2** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:45 pm

So this was at Comicon and this is the first we're hearing of it?! Not saying anything by that - just surprised that no one else took snaps.

The folded sweat band looks great.

C.A.K. Comedy Props · Post by **C.A.K. Comedy Props** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:49 am

I need this hat in my collection. I don’t have a few hundred thousand dollars but still, I NEED IT!

darthjones2 · Post by **darthjones2** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:05 am

Is the hat on display yet in London?

adVintage · Post by **adVintage** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:14 am

Brandon from "Prop Store" said it will be on display at the Auction Preview Exhibition from 6th Sep. - 20th Sep. in the Odeon BFI Imax in London

I'll definately be there with the biggest camera I can get

, who's coming, too?

adVintage · Post by **adVintage** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:13 am

Oh sh**! Just look what they did to the crown:

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:24 am

adVintage wrote:Oh sh**! Just look what they did to the crown:

Where did this photo come from? In the video, it has the correct crease.

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adVintage · Post by **adVintage** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:09 am

Dr. Nebraska S. wrote:
adVintage wrote:Oh sh**! Just look what they did to the crown:

Where did this photo come from? In the video, it has the correct crease.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Here's the other video: http://www.londonlive.co.uk/news/2018-0 ... the-hammer

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:26 am

I just get the article, the video won't play.

Based on the picture, that doesn't look like the same hat to me. I'd be shocked if Brandon would allow the fedora to be rebashed in that way. He's a fan/collector and would know the importance of having the correct bash. To say nothing of the potential damage that could be done to a hat of this age.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

adVintage · Post by **adVintage** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:41 am

Indiana Jeff wrote:I just get the article, the video won't play.

Based on the picture, that doesn't look like the same hat to me. I'd be shocked if Brandon would allow the fedora to be rebashed in that way. He's a fan/collector and would know the importance of having the correct bash. To say nothing of the potential damage that could be done to a hat of this age.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

That's what they replied on Facebook "...not to worry, this was something that happened in transport to the production company and has since been sorted..."

Would like to know how a perfect teardrop can "happen" during transport

Sorry, I don't know how to link to the post directly, but when you look on their facebook page you'll find it: https://www.facebook.com/PropStore/

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:45 am

Indiana Jeff wrote:I just get the article, the video won't play.

Based on the picture, that doesn't look like the same hat to me. I'd be shocked if Brandon would allow the fedora to be rebashed in that way. He's a fan/collector and would know the importance of having the correct bash. To say nothing of the potential damage that could be done to a hat of this age.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Apparently, some employee, re-bashed the hat for the presentation.
This occurred AFTER the first video we saw.

COW member Fedoraiders (Jason) contacted Brandon immediately when he saw this disaster.
Talked with him about the importance of putting the original bash to it.
Brandon was very thankfull with him.
All this was shared by Jason on fb.-

adVintage · Post by **adVintage** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:08 am

Apparently, some employee, re-bashed the hat for the presentation.
This occurred AFTER the first video we saw.

COW member Fedoraiders (Jason) contacted Brandon immediately when he saw this disaster.
Talked with him about the importance of putting the original bash to it.
Brandon was very thankfull with him.
All this was shared by Jason on fb.-

That's good! I'm relieved to hear that

davidd · Post by **davidd** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:16 pm

So... an item expected to sell for approximately $300,000 (in American money) is handled so casually that "some employee" can arbitrarily manhandle it and reshape it? I thought the point of these auctions was to preserve the screen used aspects of the objects.

If this hat has been reshaped who knows how many times over the years, including this recent example, does it really qualify as the "screen used" hat anymore? While it may be the physical hat that appeared in some scenes onscreen (does anybody know, was this a Harrison Ford hat or a stunt double hat?), after having been reshaped by "some employee" for a presentation, there's little to be learned about the actual screen-used appearance. It has now lost any of its "screen used" significance by having been reshaped multiple times by various people to fit their opinion of the "best" or "most accurate" bash.

No value here for me, other than a lesson in how NOT to "conserve" relics of historical or pop-cultural significance.

Which is just as well. I doubt that I've earned three-hundred thousand dollars in my lifetime.

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:03 pm

This is a HF "hero" hat. Way at the bottom of the Fedora section on the main IndyGear page there is a write-up of this hat. http://indygear.com/igfedora.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm absolutely STUNNED the hat would be allowed to be rebashed by some random staff member.

If I were ScreenUsed (the owner of the fedora) I'd be outraged given the change could impact the ultimate final auction price.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:20 pm

Indiana Jeff wrote:This is a HF "hero" hat. Way at the bottom of the Fedora section on the main IndyGear page there is a write-up of this hat. http://indygear.com/igfedora.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm absolutely STUNNED the hat would be allowed to be rebashed by some random staff member.

If I were ScreenUsed (the owner of the fedora) I'd be outraged given the change could impact the ultimate final auction price.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Not Desi's (ScreenUsed) property anymore.

The hat is PropStore investment (Brandon's)....and according some fb posts, he was very upset.-

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:26 pm

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I had made the assumption PropStore was auctioning the fedora on Desi's behalf.

Yes, if I was Brandon I'd be looking for a new staff member....

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Howard Weinstein · Post by **Howard Weinstein** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:47 pm

Indiego Jones wrote:
Indiana Jeff wrote:This is a HF "hero" hat. Way at the bottom of the Fedora section on the main IndyGear page there is a write-up of this hat. http://indygear.com/igfedora.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm absolutely STUNNED the hat would be allowed to be rebashed by some random staff member.

If I were ScreenUsed (the owner of the fedora) I'd be outraged given the change could impact the ultimate final auction price.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff
Not Desi's (ScreenUsed) property anymore.

The hat is PropStore investment (Brandon's)....and according some fb posts, he was very upset.-

Is this the same hat displayed in the FB video from Prop Store's big auction display (was it at ComicCon?). That hat was in original movie form. Why would anyone at Prop Store re-bash it just before it goes to auction?
(it's at about the 8:50 mark in this video -- https://youtu.be/YGuJ9F9pWNA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Or are these 2 different hats?

indy1936 · Post by **indy1936** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:25 pm

Unbelievable that someone altered it! Can't put it into words.

BrandonA18 · Post by **BrandonA18** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:37 pm

All --

The hat has not been casually "re-bashed" in the sense of what I think you all are describing, based on the above commentary.

The hat it extremely soft and malleable. If you set it onto a head form, it will take the "wrong" shape, with the inside of the top pushed upward, rather than pushed down. Just the weight of the hat itself will do that to it. You can pop the center part right back down with your hand when you pick it up.

When we photographed it we took care to style it as it looked in the film. When it went out for some press opportunities, it was simply set onto a head form and took that natural shape -- it was never "Re-bashed."

I have handled film-used hats from TOD and LC and they are *much* more "set" -- the tops would not behave in the same way the Raiders hat does. But, again, the Raiders fedora is very soft and this is the reason you're seeing a different "bash" in different photos.

If you have any other questions on the hat please let me know.

Best,
Brandon

BrandonA18 · Post by **BrandonA18** » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:52 pm

Some production stills of this specific hat from my archive --

Best,
Brandon

Mark Raats · Post by **Mark Raats** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:46 am

BrandonA18 wrote:All --

The hat has not been casually "re-bashed" in the sense of what I think you all are describing, based on the above commentary.

The hat it extremely soft and malleable. If you set it onto a head form, it will take the "wrong" shape, with the inside of the top pushed upward, rather than pushed down. Just the weight of the hat itself will do that to it. You can pop the center part right back down with your hand when you pick it up.

When we photographed it we took care to style it as it looked in the film. When it went out for some press opportunities, it was simply set onto a head form and took that natural shape -- it was never "Re-bashed."

I have handled film-used hats from TOD and LC and they are *much* more "set" -- the tops would not behave in the same way the Raiders hat does. But, again, the Raiders fedora is very soft and this is the reason you're seeing a different "bash" in different photos.

If you have any other questions on the hat please let me know.

Best,
Brandon

Thanks for jumping in and clarifying Brandon.
Its always a little unsettling when there is such strident opinion thrown about when so little is known about the situation or circumstances the item finds itself in - your clarification (and pictures) are sincerely appreciated.

My offer to you and Stephen re the fedora and whip still stands.

All the best mate,
MARK

adVintage · Post by **adVintage** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:56 am

Brandon,

thanks for clarifying and the high-res pics. Sorry for being a pest, I assume you're getting bombed with messages right now and it is much asked, but it'll be awesome if you or someone else could take some measurements for the Indy fan community (brim width front / sides, bow width, bow middle piece, front pinch, ribbon width), so that we hatters could replicate this iconic hat based on some facts. All we know is from hearsay, pics and trying out. I could also send you felt samples of about 15 different brown tones so that we can figure out what this "sable" color really is (the inside of the crown should still have the original felt color without much fading).

Again, sorry for being annoying, but I think after the auction there will be no more chance to find out.

mark seven · Post by **mark seven** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:03 am

adVintage wrote:Brandon,I could also send you felt samples of about 15 different brown tones so that we can figure out what this "sable" color really is (the inside of the crown should still have the original felt color without much fading

I have a Burlington Sable Hat-not a Poet unfortunately!(it was a Trilby,a size too big for me but I bought it because the colour is spot on to the screenused hat pics,but I'm looking forward to taking it to London and seeing how close the colour and Felt is in person

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:04 pm

Offer? Mark, you have gone and said either too much or too little, mate.

D00R · Post by **D00R** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:23 pm

The Fedora looks totally rebashed into a tear drop. How can it be so soft to take on the shape of a hat stand. I own a borsalino alessandria thats super soft and its bash come undone easily but not enough to conform with the sides and back creasing around a circular hat stand perfectly. Someone rebashed it and now that sought after Indy bash everyone trys to recapture is gone. Maybe fans can take photos of it on display and show what the outcome is now. This hat just lost its value. Its like when that old lady repainted that painting of Jesus lmao
Should be in a museum anyway not in the hands of a collector. The last guy who owned it had it CLEANED btw.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:05 pm

Please. If you have the money to own it you earned the right to do with it as you please. Sorry but some of you need to calm down a bit.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:53 pm

May as well send it off for a reblock now. At least we have ScreenUsed's pics and that video footage. Even if it's been put back, it's only somebody's version of how it was before.