The Perfect Height for a Raiders Hat.

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:19 pm

Hello Fans of the Raiders Hat.

I read a lot of messages about the perfect height of the Raiders hat.

The height of the open crown is not the most important but it must be have between 5 3/8 and 5 5/8 depending the shape of the block.

The most important is the height of the front pinch. The perfect height of the front pinch for the Raiders hat is between 4 1/2 and 4 3/4 depending the size of the head. 4 3/4 is really the maximum and it's for the guy who have a head over 60cm.

I think that the height of the block is the big problem now.

I have a block with 6 1/2 inches tall but I'm able to make a hat with a 4 1/2 front pinch with my block spacer. I create lot of spacers with a different sizes to adjust each block.

We need to find a perfect spacer for the perfect front pinch.

That it!

I hope this will help the community.

Jason

Approximate chart for a front pinch.
55cm, 56cm = between 4 7/16 and 4 1/2
57cm, 58cm = between 4 1/2 and 4 9/16
59cm, 60cm = between 4 9/16 and 4 5/8
61cm, 62cm = between 4 5/8 and 4 3/4

Note: It’s not my Raiders block on my pictures, it's a exemple.

Screencapped · Post by **Screencapped** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:42 am

From what I've gathered you're more of a hat "revisionist" than someone who makes them from scratch is this correct? If you ever decide to make customs I'd definitely be interested in having you make one for me. You do phenomenal work.

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:55 am

anindyjones wrote:From what I've gathered you're more of a hat "revisionist" than someone who makes them from scratch is this correct? If you ever decide to make customs I'd definitely be interested in having you make one for me. You do phenomenal work.

I made several hats 100% handmade and it's true, I like transformed the existing hats.

Thanks for your good words!

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Tue May 23, 2017 9:51 am

The crown to the left and right of the pinch must be at least 1/2 " more than the front pinch.

This is an approximation but really not far from reality.

Clipper · Post by **Clipper** » Wed May 24, 2017 2:39 am

This is very interesting. Thanks for posting this! I do agree with you here. I have always found my bash, and a lot of the bashes I've seen to be a bit too tall, even though from other angles it might look right.

I wear the same size as you, 59 (23 1/8" to be exact) so the proportions should be pretty much exact with my hat. I have an Adventurebilt Crystal Skull in a Raiders Cairo bash now. I just tried lowering the front pinch and it definitely looks better on me. However it has made the sides taper more which has taken some work to get the mushroom look back. I guess the crystal skull block isn't quite as straight as the Raiders block. I've steamed it and tweaked it. I'll give it another go tomorrow and post how it turns out.

Would you consider doing a reblock on any hats? Looks like you have really nailed that Raiders block, I love your work.

-Clipper

Chindit · Post by **Chindit** » Wed May 24, 2017 3:03 pm

This is an excellent discussion.
I've found that one of the hardest things to do is to lower the pinch on a hat and avoid creating taper. I had some success, but it is a pain. If anyone has any ideas to make this easier (short of re-blocking) I would certainly appreciate it. Thanks!

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Thu May 25, 2017 7:59 am

Thanks guys for your good words.

Unfortunately, I don't reblock the hats because I had a bad experience in the pass. Last year, I reblock a hat for my friend and the seam leather had broken.

Yes, A reblock improves the hats but it's impossible to have the same result as a hat 100% handmade and I'm afraid that fans don't take this into consideration.

The sweatband is a big problem and it's a cause of restriction.

I will consider the question for the reblock because I receive several request for this.

Also, the shipping is very expensive for us in Canada.

Thanks!

Jason

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:28 am

I receive a lot of private messages on Facebook about my post on the height and the crown of the Raiders hat. I put the same messages on the Raiders of the Lost Cosplay Group on Facebook.

It's very very important to have the real V between the front pinch and the crown like a Raiders hat. My hats are a 59cm and the front pinch are 4 1/2. It’s only the block who made this detail.

And this is the crease of my hat. It's really deep! Note: the brim of this hat is too short and it's a temporary ribbon.

You can look the right side of my hat.

And it's the left side. I want to stay humble but honestly, this side of my hat is amazing. The all angles are perfect.

And for the pleasure, it's a little video.
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Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:39 pm

Fedoraiders, you really should open up a hat-making business, even if only as a side gig. I think you get the Raiders hat in a way that few do.

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:54 pm

Mulceber wrote:Fedoraiders, you really should open up a hat-making business, even if only as a side gig. I think you get the Raiders hat in a way that few do.

Thanks my friend!

I don't want to become a official hat seller because I’m very busy by my true work and my family but If I could find good felt with a good color, I could make a hat occasionally. Maybe in the future!

Or, I will send my Curriculum Vitae to Herbert Johnson, lol! I'm sure I could bring a lot for the shaping.

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:57 pm

Hey, if you're ever in the mood to make a size 60 cm hat, let me know.

I'd happily be a guinea pig.

HJ should hire you - the shaping they've been doing has been good, but pretty standard. They need someone who REALLY obsesses about the Raiders hat to get it right.

Spudomatic · Post by **Spudomatic** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:20 pm

Fedoraiders, your hats always look so great! Any tips on how you create that nice center crease with such flat sides like that? Do you use an iron, etc? Looks so nice!

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:26 am

Thanks for your good words!

Yes, I use the iron and a special technique to shape my hats.

Thanks again!

C.A.K. Comedy Props · Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:18 pm

What is the secret oh great Fedoraiders?

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:48 pm

C.A.K. Comedy Props wrote:What is the secret oh great Fedoraiders?

Most fans have a wrong perception of the Raiders hat.

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cybertrek · Post by **cybertrek** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:39 pm

Agreed!
I learned quite a bit from your posts and videos on the shape and details of
My favorite hat

Thank you sir!
Jim

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:07 pm

cybertrek wrote:Agreed!
I learned quite a bit from your posts and videos on the shape and details of
My favorite hat

Thank you sir!
Jim

It's a pleasure to help the true fans like you Jim!

Thx!

Jason

senorjacob · Post by **senorjacob** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Hey Jason
Can you take a look at my bash and critique it? I’ve been using your insights as a guide.

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Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:37 pm

ash? Are you a dragon? Or Evil Ash Bruce Campbell?

Bash looks good to me. Ha.

senorjacob · Post by **senorjacob** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:46 pm

Oops. Corrected the typo. I’ve been trying to give it an SOC bash but it’s been challenging.

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fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:14 am

senorjacob wrote:Hey Jason
Can you take a look at my bash and critique it? I’ve been using your insights as a guide.

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Your hat look good but it lost the shape seen from the side. It's little bit conique.

It is very hard to modify the hats without losing the block shape.

Where do you byu this hat?

senorjacob · Post by **senorjacob** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:07 am

It’s an HJ reboot. I tried to give it a muffin top shape so it looks more SOC. Is that what you’re referring to?

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fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:08 pm

senorjacob wrote:It’s an HJ reboot. I tried to give it a muffin top shape so it looks more SOC. Is that what you’re referring to?

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I think that on your third picture, the crown is really to taper on the back of your hat.

It's maybe the hat block that HJ use or the angle of your picture!

Look this picture to understand.

senorjacob · Post by **senorjacob** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:15 pm

fedoraiders wrote:
senorjacob wrote:It’s an HJ reboot. I tried to give it a muffin top shape so it looks more SOC. Is that what you’re referring to?

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I think that on your third picture, the crown is really to taper on the back of your hat.

It's maybe the hat block that HJ use or the angle of your picture!

Look this picture to understand.

I see what you mean. So what is the solution? Do I need to have it reblocked?

Edit: Actually, forgot to mention that this is a size 57 hat that HJ stretched to 57.5 to fit my head.

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:02 pm

Unfortunatly no reblock restores the original form.

cybertrek · Post by **cybertrek** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:35 pm

Here is my Akubra Fed in its current state. So far I have re-blocked it (3 times now) replaced the sweatband and the ribbon
with supplies from Thomas at Advintage. It is my yard work and no worries hat.
EVERYTHING i have done to it I have learned from the amazing people on this forum. Working on it has made me confident
enough to tweak my latest SoC from Thomas but that is another story...

thanks for looking,
Jim

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:51 pm

Looks terrific. I need to get me an Indiana jones Akubra one of these days.

Howard Weinstein · Post by **Howard Weinstein** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:11 am

cybertrek wrote:Here is my Akubra Fed in its current state. So far I have re-blocked it (3 times now) replaced the sweatband and the ribbon
with supplies from Thomas at Advintage. It is my yard work and no worries hat.
EVERYTHING i have done to it I have learned from the amazing people on this forum. Working on it has made me confident
enough to tweak my latest SoC from Thomas but that is another story...

thanks for looking,
Jim

Looks great to me! And you're right -- so much helpful and fascinating info here at COW

fedoraiders · Post by **fedoraiders** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:48 pm

cybertrek wrote:Here is my Akubra Fed in its current state. So far I have re-blocked it (3 times now) replaced the sweatband and the ribbon
with supplies from Thomas at Advintage. It is my yard work and no worries hat.
EVERYTHING i have done to it I have learned from the amazing people on this forum. Working on it has made me confident
enough to tweak my latest SoC from Thomas but that is another story...

thanks for looking,
Jim

Your hat look very good, I love it.

Indysdad · Post by **Indysdad** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:34 am

Jason,
I know that this thread is focused on the height of the crown (which is all excellent research and information), but I'm curious about the brim and whether the width of the dimensional cut would change depending on the hat size? Do a size 56 and 60 both have the same width or does it graduate?