SA color RotLA

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:17 pm

So I know filters may or may not have been used in filming raiders. There seems to be a very red color to the fedora. A rusty red.
My AB does not have that. Is there any fedora out there that gets that right? I have seen some old threads that speak to rabbit fur showing more of the red tint.

youngjedi71 · Post by **youngjedi71** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:55 am

Jeremiah wrote:So I know filters may or may not have been used in filming raiders. There seems to be a very red color to the fedora. A rusty red.
My AB does not have that. Is there any fedora out there that gets that right? I have seen some old threads that speak to rabbit fur showing more of the red tint.

Dude..you have an AB hat..Thats as close to an Indy hat as you are going to get. lol...You cant keep chasing screengrabs..Colors change because of lighting and filters,use,etc..In some light my hat looks gray,..in some light my hat looks really dark..in some light my hat looks really brown..Just like in some angles my hat looks good and some it looks off.. Im thinking IF there was any red to the hat it might have been lighting,dirt,filters..no need in looking when you have the real deal on your head.. $\:D/$

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:59 am

yep, quite aware of that.
Anyone else?

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:00 am

I've also found with my hats (AB and Penman) that the colours of them change over time....Initially, all my hats have been somewhat darker than I'd say the film hat colour was....My Penman is still "young", and not quite suntanned enough to match it yet, but I'd say the AB has hit the colour I see in the film rather superbly.....You could probably speed the process up by wearing the hat in bright sunshine as much as possible, but either way, they will and are meant to change in tone......So perhaps you're seeing that?

I've got no complaints with either of the makers as far as "real" colour goes.....Mine are both rather good for Indiana Jones, and will continue to develop as they age....

Throw some photos up? Might help us get a better sense of what colour yours is, and what you mean by saying it's not "right"? Also, how old is yours? Etc? Might help us give better answers....

The best, in my opinion, since that's your thread, are Penman, Adventurebilt, and Steele & Jones (Perhaps)........

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:04 am

Thanks.
I know some have got a hat out of the box from Steve that did have more of a red underlying tone to the brown. Steve said it may have been the way the rabbit fur took the dye compared to the beaver.
The Raiders hat always did have that red tint to it and even lioking at the hero hat on the main page, you can see it. I am not saying my color is wrong at all, just that I don't see the hints of red. Maybe as you say, that will change over time.

Let's say there is a hat out there, maybe a HJ. Even though the block is not accurate the color would look nice.
Its a discussion guys, something to talk about, not the end of the world.

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:12 am

Well, my AB is a rabbit, and my Penman is a beaver.....So that could be part of it, for sure, although I've seen Penman beaver hats that are older than mine, and have mellowed into the colour I see from Raiders as well....So....I don't know if that's such an issue? The softness is, which is why John brought out the new line....But I think he feels as I do, that the colours of both are fine, and close enough to the film to pass....

How old is yours? And how often is it worn outside?

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:24 am

Worn everyday since September. There are pics in the AB thread. I don't want to re post them here.

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:38 am

Well, that might be some of your answer there perhaps? The beaver felt does take a little longer than the rabbit felt colour to brighten out into what the makers felt the screen colour was.....Both Adventurebilt and Penman make their hats using the felt colour that they do because they have found it to be the best at hitting the tones after a certain amount of time and use........The beaver one I have from John now is darker than the colours I can see on screen, because it's fairly new (a year or more I think?), but I've also seen other people with older Penman hats who have a far lighter brown than mine is, currently.....

Adventurebilt make theirs with the felt colour they do because they know it deepens into the colour seen on screen rather well, over time.....I suspect you're seeing that in your hands, and your disappointment about the colour now, stems from that.......

There are some other makers who have different coloured hats new perhaps, although I've not seen them personally......And as before, in reply to your question? I still think AB, Penman, and S&J (And also Garrison is rather good.....) are the closest match........Depending on the age given them, and the light....(Those companies are the ones who match best over a wider variety of ages, and environments for me)

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:46 am

Good explanations and I need to say here before this ball starts rolling faster that I am not unhappy with the color. The color is very Indy. I just was browsing the AB thread last night and saw lots of different pics and saw some that did have that red tint. That's all. I am well aware of what I have because I reasearched to death before settling on steve. I am also aware of why they make the color darker out of the box and this makes sense to me.

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:07 am

Don't worry....No one should attack you for stating your opinion.....I certainly won't...

I suspect that that IS a part of it though...For myself, my Penman still feels a touch "too dark"..But then I take it out into the sunshine, and it "wakes up" a lot....It's a rather funky thing to get used to...And I know that the longer I have it, and the more it's worn, the closer it'll get to some of the scenes in Raiders....At the moment, I'd say it's closer to the colours I see in the Hawaiian temple.....

Of course..If it ever gets to the colours I see in Cairo? It'll need a strong pick-me-up from John to re-invigorate the felt....LOL...So...Never happy....Hehe...

But that's the reasoning behind why it might be a touch darker to you right NOW.....I suspect...John and Steve and MArc as well, chose their felt colour based on what they knew would happen 1-2-3 years down the line with the hat, and they built them to last......But waiting for it is also a bit difficult..And I can understand that too...(Rabbit WILL fade a deal quicker in my opinion...So next time? Perhaps rabbit is the way to go?)

youngjedi71 · Post by **youngjedi71** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:29 am

nobody is attacking..Just stated what came to mind..maybe get some red powder or dust whatever some prop shop might sell ..dust it..might give you that red tint you are looking for.

for me as long as the felt is brown its close enough..What gets me is Indy's hat brim looks 3"+ but hat makers swear its like 2 1/2 or whatever it is?? For me its not about ribbon color,or the "turn"..its about making the brim look large enough.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:38 am

Thanks.

I can take the abuse should it get to that.
Appreciate both you guys input.

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:03 am

Over the years I have picked up 3 brown Adventurebilts and 4 brown Penmans. One of the Penmans is rabbit, the rest are all beaver felt.

My oldest Penman is a 5 year old beaver felt and has seen a lot of wear. The newest is also beaver and is about a year old. It has been worn much less. I have pictures that show all of them at early stages in their lives.

I understand from talking with John that he and Steve both spec their brown felt to be darker when new than the color you see in the film, because over time the color will fade. In my experience it does. In the picture below are two identical Penman Raiders hats. The hat on the left is around 4 years old, the one on the right about 2 weeks old.

Same maker - same felt - 4 years of use is the only difference.

In addition, I have photos of the hat on the left taken on the same table with the same camera when it was new that confirm it had the same color as the one on the right.

This is the now 5 year old hat in slightly different light. I don't know if it shows the "reddish" color you are looking for, but I think I know what you are talking about and age definitely adds that component to the color.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:08 am

Hose are sweet pics. Thanks. Love that light brown color. Looks like you could just reach out and feel it if you know what I mean.

Since I understand that both John and Steve use the same color and felt I would think with age mine will one day get yo that color too.

Have you had a few re locks with new ribbon on? Ribbon looks good.

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:47 am

Jeremiah wrote:Hose are sweet pics. Thanks. Love that light brown color. Looks like you could just reach out and feel it if you know what I mean.

Since I understand that both John and Steve use the same color and felt I would think with age mine will one day get yo that color too.

Have you had a few re locks with new ribbon on? Ribbon looks good.

It's been reblocked and cleaned once about 2 years ago (one year before the top picture was taken) I had the liner replaced, (it's white - they get kinda dirty) but unless John replaced the ribbon and didn't tell me, it's the original ribbon.

Yours should age similarly. Although all of mine get a lot of "nice hat" - "love your hat" - "I really like that hat" comments, the older one does get more of them. And I know what you mean about the color. The reason I have multiples is to try to have them aged about the same in case something happens to one of them, but I have to consciously grab one of the newer ones and wear it because my hand naturally gravitates to the oldest one I have.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:50 am

Thanks. I have a pic of my ribbon as is now over on last page of AB pics thread.

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:02 am

Jeremiah wrote:Thanks. I have a pic of my ribbon as is now over on last page of AB pics thread.

I saw it. Unless John's suggestion of trying to clean it with a little water worked I woukd say the fading is unusual. But both John and Steve use the same ribbon, which I understand to be a 100% Rayon vintage ribbon. Rayon is basically cellulose, which is made from wood fiber, a natural product. Like all natural things it's subject to variance in how it ages. Yours looks like the color fades faster than normal.

If it bothers you, I'd change it out. If it doesn't (and I think it give it character) i'd leave it. The rest of the hat will probably catch up.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:20 am

Yeah, when it comes to reblock then I will probably get ribbon changed out.

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:31 pm

My very old AB beaver has a lot of "red" tint in it to me. But in pictures, it shows up brown. And it has faded CONSIDERABLY over the years.
IMO- Steele & Jones got it perfect right out of the box in their HJ Replica. My penman is too dark but I'm sure it would fade over time into a beautiful tone. And Jason (Fedoraraiders) gets it perfect right out of the box but I think he uses Herbert Johnson hats and rebuilds them, so I don't know if that counts for this discussion.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:38 pm

You have to realize that every felt will fade after the first year to year and a half. You can have screen accurate out of the box and after time it will not be screen accurate anymore or you can have slightly to dark and after that first year or so it is screen accurate and so for the long duration. It's a choice, I make my hats like Steve does made to last a life time.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:06 pm

I agree with you 100% John.
Guess I got carried away with all those threads and then been watching Raiders with my kids recently. Wondering why my fedora was not reddish or ruddy brown.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:08 pm

All of them look fantastic to me. All this talk about these hats has me very interested in possibly getting either an AB or a Penman. Just have to wait on some funds!

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:10 am

I don't think any of our hatters are skimping on quality...they are doing the best they can with what they have and filling a niche.
When I ordered an AB so many years ago, I wanted the Raiders hat, not something that might someday resemble what I thought I saw on screen at the time. I didn't even know if I would even be into Indiana Jones years on down the line.....and while I do appreciate quality work (and believe me, it shines thru on Penman's hats) I also appreciate looking like Indy now....when I am certain that I enjoy it.

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:32 am

Our HJ replica is perfect RAIDERS color (and thickness, touch, floppyness), right out of the box, like Gorak said.
That felt replicates the original 1980's HJ felt as close as you can get today.

So, out of the box looks just like the film hats when costume assistants opened the HJ boxes, at the Raiders set to begin filming, back in 1980.

It will age and fade EXACTLY like the original hat.

I hope to be completely clear about that, and I'm sorry if I sound arrogant.
My confidence and assuredness rely on 4 years of studies to achieve this replica.

Cheers.-

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:44 am

Not trying to step on anyone here, all felt will fade. One of the reasons I did the AB legacy hat is to replicate not only the felt as close to the Raiders hat out of the box but the color as well. Now I have more then one offering. Trying to make everyone happy. If one wanted a rabbit raiders hat that will be SA as possible that will fade into the more accurate color and will be that way for its life. Then if you wanted a higher grade fedora you can go with the beaver option. If you wanted a SA accurate out if the box when it came to the color then you have the AB legacy Raiders. Which I also relocate the poor stitching of the ribbon and all of the Raiders flaws that we see on screen.

Two routes you can go with from me. Screen accurate as possible with a more clean up correct Raiders hat without all the mistakes made. Or you can think of it a real world, made correctly and screen accurate as possible and will be a longer lasting screen accurate color.

Or you can go 100% screen accurate in every detail as possible with the color being screen accurate out of the box.

One added feature you get the screen accurate ribbon with both. Only available from Penman and AB.

Just remember why AB beat out 20 other hat companies for Indy 4. Quality in materials, quality in work and how much AB could replicate the color felt, the ribbon etc,etc.

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:01 am

BendingOak wrote: Just remember why AB beat out 20 other hat companies for Indy 4.

Back in 2007!
Steele & Jones didn't exist until 2008! LOL!

Cheers!

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:13 am

I understand that but sorry to say you wouldn't have gotten the job over AB. No one was and that includes me.

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:58 am

BendingOak wrote:Two routes you can go with from me. Screen accurate as possible with a more clean up correct Raiders hat without all the mistakes made. Or you can think of it a real world, made correctly and screen accurate as possible and will be a longer lasting screen accurate color.

Or - if you're indecisive - you can get both. . . . more than once . . . . just in case something happens to one of them.

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:10 pm

BendingOak wrote:I understand that but sorry to say you wouldn't have gotten the job over AB. No one was and that includes me.

LOL....relax John, it was a friendly little joke.

Cheers!

youngjedi71 · Post by **youngjedi71** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:15 pm

this is getting heated..

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:20 pm

I agree with John on making the felt darker so it will fade in time. It makes sense, because the Raiders hat was supposed to be a very worn beat up hat. Now back to the original question concerning the reddish undertone in the felt, this pic shows a good pic of the Raiders hat color:
http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/wp-con ... /06/14.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm not sure if the lighting is giving it the reddish look here, or if the lighting is just bringing out red color from the felt, but this Raiders hat may have that look I think you are taking about.

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:41 pm

baddates1 wrote:I agree with John on making the felt darker so it will fade in time. It makes sense, because the Raiders hat was supposed to be a very worn beat up hat. Now back to the original question concerning the reddish undertone in the felt, this pic shows a good pic of the Raiders hat color:
http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/wp-con ... /06/14.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm not sure if the lighting is giving it the reddish look here, or if the lighting is just bringing out red color from the felt, but this Raiders hat may have that look I think you are taking about.

Yes, the Raiders hat was supposed to be a very worn beat up hat...but the thing is the hat we see in the movie was a couple of weeks old!!!!!!!!!!! So, in the movie, we are looking at a new hat, distressed and make-up by the costume department.

That picture doesn't show good the Raiders hat color.
Taked inside a closed studio set, with lots of lighting affecting the coloration on it.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:51 pm

Indiego Jones wrote:
baddates1 wrote:I agree with John on making the felt darker so it will fade in time. It makes sense, because the Raiders hat was supposed to be a very worn beat up hat. Now back to the original question concerning the reddish undertone in the felt, this pic shows a good pic of the Raiders hat color:
http://www.hollywoodoutbreak.com/wp-con ... /06/14.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm not sure if the lighting is giving it the reddish look here, or if the lighting is just bringing out red color from the felt, but this Raiders hat may have that look I think you are taking about.
Yes, the Raiders hat was supposed to be a very worn beat up hat...but the thing is the hat we see in the movie was a couple of weeks old!!!!!!!!!!! So, in the movie, we are looking at a new hat, distressed and make-up by the costume department.

That picture doesn't show good the Raiders hat color.
Taked inside a closed studio set, with lots of lighting affecting the coloration on it.

Which mean you can't use screen grabs as proof of color. You have to use other information to confirm what one knows the color of the hat and ribbon was.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:05 pm

moses · Post by **moses** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:37 am

In some of the behind the scenes footage, the hat seems darker and redder than in much of the movie. There's a shot of the hat and jacket laid out on the wing of the flying wing during fight rehearsals for example - or Harrison chatting with John Rhys Davies during the streets of Cairo shoot.

alex1152 · Post by **alex1152** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:50 pm

You can't rely on the behind the scenes footage, most of it is shot in 16mm some of it in 8mm and it was stored in really bad conditions the color is incredibly poor.

youngjedi71 · Post by **youngjedi71** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:05 am

alex1152 wrote:You can't rely on the behind the scenes footage, most of it is shot in 16mm some of it in 8mm and it was stored in really bad conditions the color is incredibly poor.

I wonder sometimes..What or Who CAN we rely on for real 100% truth,accuracy and details of these movies? Everything seems to be a "he said,she said" kind of thing..Even with Steve Delk being here,today in the flesh..can we really rely on what he says? He might hold back on some details..?? Didnt Wested make Indy's jacket? Why dont they sell THE jacket instead of "almost accurate" jackets? Same for the hat..Did H.J make Indy's hat? I cant remember?? WHy is everything so hidden,secret,or destroyed?? I try not to care that much honestly..BUT sometimes its like..WTF..just sell us the actual stuff the way its actually made in the actual movies..quit screwing with us..sorry..time for bed.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:26 am

I can understand where you are coming from as there have been many people who have spoke as if they have facts when in fact it's their opinion. Making it hard to understand who is and who isn't.

Wested for example, I think Peter adjusted the jacket to make improvements and to make them fit the average joe. Taking it away from being screen accurate. As a craftmen I can understand his thinking. When you can improve your product, you want to and at that time screen accurate really wasn't a thing yet.

I have talked with Steve over this so many times and I have no doubt he has told me everything he did on making the Indy 4 hats. There are 3 things he did as to make it hard for other hat makers to copy. I know those 3 things. When you are in a small market you must protect yourself. Just as Steve, Marc and myself protect the manufacture of the screen used ribbon.

I think it is unreliable to use any screen caps as proof of color. Too many factors that you can't duplicate or may or may not have all the info to replicate.

I got a Star Trek tunic from Anovos and I could swear to you that sucker was green and it should be gold. I was going nuts because it didn't look gold and we all know kick wore gold. Only after I took a photos of it did it look gold. I was so sure it was wrong but in fact it was right. They tunic were in fact had a green tint to them but only until they where photographed or filmed did they look gold.

Another thing to consider when it comes to the felt or ribbon. We are not taking about a brand new hat. The Raiders hat was distressed. Makes a difference when filmed or photographed.

Another thing to consider as a gear head. That none of the gear will ever be in a static state if you wear it. It will change over time. Find the gear that makes you happy and let it become a part of you.

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:32 am

Haha, no need to apologize! I feel the same way every time these threads pop up because everyone is so darn sensitive to take a stand and those that do, still get accused of not being out straight. But it all comes from the roll that they didn't count on this stuff being so sought after and when it was, then everybody wanted to have a part AND the fact that most of the leg work was done by simple hardcore fans at a time when the internet was still new......kinda like the perfect storm of each item and it's existence!
But, yeah, its really ridiculous in the light of things now so don't worry about being frustrated!

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:10 am

youngjedi71 wrote:
alex1152 wrote:You can't rely on the behind the scenes footage, most of it is shot in 16mm some of it in 8mm and it was stored in really bad conditions the color is incredibly poor.
I wonder sometimes..What or Who CAN we rely on for real 100% truth,accuracy and details of these movies? Everything seems to be a "he said,she said" kind of thing..Even with Steve Delk being here,today in the flesh..can we really rely on what he says? He might hold back on some details..?? Didnt Wested make Indy's jacket? Why dont they sell THE jacket instead of "almost accurate" jackets? Same for the hat..Did H.J make Indy's hat? I cant remember?? WHy is everything so hidden,secret,or destroyed??

Well there's the rub. It's often been said that when ROLA was being made everyone hoped it would be successful, but no one really expected it to explode the way it did. Certainly the costumers were simply working on 'yet another film project' and never expected fans would want perfect copies over 30 years later. A lot gets lost to memory and then gets 'remembered' when it serves an economic goal.

BendingOak wrote:Wested for example, I think Peter adjusted the jacket to make improvements and to make them fit the average joe. Taking it away from being screen accurate. As a craftmen I can understand his thinking. When you can improve your product, you want to and at that time screen accurate really wasn't a thing yet.

For Wested, for whatever reason, Peter did not produce SA jackets for years and years and years despite his claim for using 'original patterns'. It really wasn't until relatively recently (in the build-up and wake of CS) with the addition of newer vendors offering more accurate jackets, that Wested really upped their game and are consistently producing SA jackets.

BendingOak wrote: I have talked with Steve over this so many times and I have no doubt he has told me everything he did on making the Indy 4 hats.

Good point with Steve. Obviously Steve and Marc knew they were contributing to the IJ universe with their hats. They were able to keep track of the development in real time and as fans wanted to maintain that record for posterity. Especially with all the details that had been lost about the ROLA hats and jackets. Even then, after CS came out there were times Steve had to be reminded about the series of events or how the production progressed. It is natural for any of us to jumble the details over time. "I wrote it down so I wouldn't have to remember."

BendingOak wrote:I think it is unreliable to use any screen caps as proof of color. Too many factors that you can't duplicate or may or may not have all the info to replicate.

I got a Star Trek tunic from Anovos and I could swear to you that sucker was green and it should be gold. I was going nuts because it didn't look gold and we all know kick wore gold. Only after I took a photos of it did it look gold. I was so sure it was wrong but in fact it was right. They tunic were in fact had a green tint to them but only until they where photographed or filmed did they look gold.

I've used this example before. A friend got a screen used hero uniform from one of the original cast Star Trek movies. He wore it to a con and had it consistently picked apart by other fans for its inaccuracies.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:24 am

No one commented on my hat pic in this thread yet. So I was lying on the couch the other evening. Had the AB on my knee

My wife walks by and says that has a red tint to it. I looked down and in the soft lighting over the couch it surely did. I snapped a photo and you can see a bit of the reddish hue, but it looked even more red in person.

So moral of the story is that I do have some red undertones after all in my AB.
Now, are there specs of making a screen accurate harness which would carry that light fixture over my hat

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:44 am

Jeff, that is how it was for wested for the bulk of the time and recently but not the entire time.

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:11 pm

We're starting to get a bit far afield given this is a fedora thread, but I'm not sure what you mean by your comments about Wested.

I have a jacket from them circa 2000 that was listed on the site as 'original patterns' and came with the COA stating the same, but the details are really no better than a USW jacket who openly state they make their jackets in the Indy style while using a design that is real world wearable.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:08 pm

yes we are getting off point here. Your picking over wording. You can use the original pattern and adjust it to make it fit the average joe and even make improvements. It's still using the original pattern but isn't SA anymore.

Back to point. I understand the frustration of people lie youngjedi 71. When you have so much information that you can't rely on. There are several factors to include. Time is a big factor, people making things up just to get their jolly off, and some who do it out of jealousy and some just get their facts wrong. it Really muddies up the water.

Indiego Jones · Post by **Indiego Jones** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:18 pm

Jeremiah wrote:No one commented on my hat pic in this thread yet.

Yeah, no doubt.....that hat is brown! LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:21 pm

Jeremiah wrote:No one commented on my hat pic in this thread yet. So I was lying on the couch the other evening. Had the AB on my knee My wife walks by and says that has a red tint to it. I looked down and in the soft lighting over the couch it surely did. I snapped a photo and you can see a bit of the reddish hue, but it looked even more red in person.

So moral of the story is that I do have some red undertones after all in my AB.
Now, are there specs of making a screen accurate harness which would carry that light fixture over my hat

Since brown is a tertiary color, generally made by mixing red and green, all browns contain red.

Incandescent lighting brings out reddish tones, like daylight brings out blues and fluorescent light enhances greens. Digital cameras correct for some of that, but back in the days of regular film we used to spend tons of money buying filters to compensate for the color temperatures of the lighting we had to use.

That's why you can go crazy trying to replicate something you see in a photo. Because unless you know what lighting, filtration, film and exposures were used (and in some cases how old the film was, how it was stored and how it was processed,) trying to replicate the natural color of a physical object based on what you see in the photo is like trying to pin the tail on the right donkey out of a thousand virtually identical donkeys.

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:46 pm

True. Forgot about that. So do you guys see the subtle red tones or am I losing it?

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:09 pm

Ridgerunner58 wrote:
Jeremiah wrote:No one commented on my hat pic in this thread yet. So I was lying on the couch the other evening. Had the AB on my knee My wife walks by and says that has a red tint to it. I looked down and in the soft lighting over the couch it surely did. I snapped a photo and you can see a bit of the reddish hue, but it looked even more red in person.

So moral of the story is that I do have some red undertones after all in my AB.
Now, are there specs of making a screen accurate harness which would carry that light fixture over my hat

Since brown is a tertiary color, generally made by mixing red and green, all browns contain red.

Incandescent lighting brings out reddish tones, like daylight brings out blues and fluorescent light enhances greens. Digital cameras correct for some of that, but back in the days of regular film we used to spend tons of money buying filters to compensate for the color temperatures of the lighting we had to use.

That's why you can go crazy trying to replicate something you see in a photo. Because unless you know what lighting, filtration, film and exposures were used (and in some cases how old the film was, how it was stored and how it was processed,) trying to replicate the natural color of a physical object based on what you see in the photo is like trying to pin the tail on the right donkey out of a thousand virtually identical donkeys.

thank you for this. Couldn't have said it any better.

Thats Why I don't reply on Screen grabs

Jeremiah · Post by **Jeremiah** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:45 pm

Do us see the red though

Ridgerunner58 · Post by **Ridgerunner58** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:24 pm

Jeremiah wrote:Do us see the red though

Yes. In that light the felt has a dark brick, reddish tone to it. But if you look at the background, so does the cream colored cushion and the edge of your foot.

So you can cancel the appointment with your neurologist - it is unlikely you have a brain tumor.