Signed Fedora

[Exulted Unicron]

Two years ago now, I came into possession of a signed Dorfman Pacific fedora signed by a handful of Indiana Jones actors. Namely John Hurt, Julian Glover, Sean Flanery, Vic Armstrong and Wendy Leech. There is no official COA, but I was given a sheet with the star's names on, where the show was and the year, along with pictures of them signing it.

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I was just wondering what the general price range would be and if anyone would have any interest in it.

[Jeremiah]

Broken link alert.

[Exulted Unicron]

I'd have thought the facebook link might have worked. But anyway:


The hat and the foam head it came with


Sean Patrick Flanery "INDY"


Vic Armstrong and Wendy Leech "STUNTS"


John Hurt "OX"


Julian Glover "DONOVAN"


Certificate with photos and the show info

John Hurt: EMS 2011
Julian Glover: Switzerland 2010
Sean Flanery: EMS 2011
Vic Armstrong and Wendy Leech: Collectormania 2011

[Jeremiah]

Nice.

Who'd of thought. A DP that has some value.

[Exulted Unicron]

the question I want to know, how much would it be worth?

[Jeremiah]

Off the top of my head I would say not much, without a COA linking that hat to the one in the picture. Things can be replicated and pulled off the internet all the time. Hats look like other hats. Signatures can be forged excellently.

Are there any markings on the hat which could be matched with the one in the photos aside from the signatures? Things like a mark on the hat or even a wear spot or blemish? Again, even these things could be replicated by a keen eye and an artist.

Nice conversation piece in the meantime though. So, probably worth the price of a DP. $50-80 bucks depending on the felt. Who knows, you may find someone who does not care and will like it as is.

Was the gentleman in the pictures who you obtained the hat from? If it was, his proof of Identity could have sold the hat. If not, then it could very well have been pulled off the internet like this:
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[Exulted Unicron]

other than there's a picture of SPF signing the hat? No. But then, getting COA isn't worth the time at all or even worth the paper it's printed on. All the COA proves is that it's a hat signed by said people. Which I know it's genuinely signed, I know the guy I bought it from.

He went to those shows and got it signed. It's not clear in the bottom picture, but he did meet those people at those shows. There's even a picture of SPF with the hat after he's signed it on the pinch, which is evident on the actual hat. After taking the hat off the foam head, there's INDIANA JONES written on the inside of the hat brim.

[Jeremiah]

So that gentleman is the man in the picture with the actors? Cool. It is legit then if thats the case, but it would be hard for you as the new owner to get what he might have if he had been the one to sell it in person to someone.

The COA would cost you money but to would prove that the signatures were indeed authentic to the actors in the pics. Peace of mind to the skeptical potential buyer if you were to ever sell.

[knibs7]

I would say without a COA it's worth about $125 MAX

[Exulted Unicron]

I understand that. I don't really have the money to send it to the US and get it checked out. However, after speaking to a few people, they've pretty much said that getting a COA is worthless as all it proves to them is that hat is what I'm claiming it to be. With the internet, I could easily forge one and pass it off as genuine.

Please note: I'm not doing this at all. I'm just saying that I know I have the genuine signatures and I have photographs of the stars in question signing said hat.

[Jeremiah]

Cool. I would hang on to it. Yeah, you are right about a COA. Some like them some do not need them.

[Mike]

To Be honest, a COA really means diddily squat. Forgers use them all the time too. Its just an extra piece of paper.

My thoughts on the value would be based on what Cons charge for the actors autographs, and then take a bit off that for the secondary market. For example, Mark Hamill charges $125 nowadays but you'd never make that back on the secondary market. You'd be lucky to crack $75 or over reselling his autos. The actors on that hat are pretty much secondary actors, and Indy's not really the franchise they're all known for (for example Hurt would probably be more valuable on an Alien item and Glover on a Star Wars), and a hat's probably not as coveted by a collector a photo just for resale value. Its not a top dollar hat, which if I had, I wouldn't devalue the hat with scribbles , so not much value there either.

I'd say as long as you can prove lineage, which you can pretty satisfactorily, then you could probably expect something in the neighborhood of $100 to $125.

[baddates1]

Now do actors cost you on their autographs at Comic Con conventions? I see people coming up to them and getting autographs, I just never see people paying for the autograph.

[Michaelson]

Depends on the actor and what show/film they were connected too, but yes, most all charge now as that's how a lot of them make a living these days if they're no longer in the public eye.

A lot of them do it even if they ARE in the public eye as it's easy money.

Regard! Michaelson

[Indiana Jeff]

When you see actors sitting at tables doing signings, usually there's a fee involved.

Catching someone in a hallway or elevator can be a toss-up. Some are good about signing autographs, others will be surrounded by 'handlers' that will allow for handshake hellos and maybe a picture, but no autographs.


Regards,


Indiana Jeff

[knibs7]

To Be honest, a COA really means diddily squat. Forgers use them all the time too. Its just an extra piece of paper.

I just meant that you would have a better shot of selling it for more $$ if it had a COA. Sure, there are a lot of forged COAs, but a lot of buyers feel like the COA is reassuring and would pay double for a hat if it they knew... well, THOUGHT it was authenitcated.

The actors on that hat are pretty much secondary actors, and Indy's not really the franchise they're all known for (for example Hurt would probably be more valuable on an Alien item and Glover on a Star Wars)

Is Glover really better known for Star Wars than Indy? I mean, in SW he had a minor, minor role. In Indy he was the main villain. Unless it's merely because SW is a more popular franchise than Indy:-k Just wondering because I'm not anywhere near as big of a SW fan as I am an Indy fan

[Indiana Jeff]

Interestingly Glover is often billed more for his roles in SW than in IJ even though his screen time is significantly more in LC.


Regards,

Indiana Jeff

[Mike]

I'd say Glover's known in the auto circle for Star Wars, Bond, then Indy. He was quite pleased to sign and LC shot for me at C5. Star Wars being the "bigger" franchise is probably what most collectors would search for as well.

As for COAs, most collectors couldn't give two poops about about them. Folks are always asking for more opinions, comparison opinions or other samples of sigs to make their choices from, doing their own homework as opposed to relying on a piece of paper usually printed out by the seller's printer. Unless its a company piece (I'm talking a big company that has a run of sigs for a signer‚ OPX or Topps, or like the old QVC offerings—held by an outside vendor) that has a COA, then they don't mean anything.