WPG vs Todds shirt

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:46 pm

Hey,
Long time reader first time poster. I have recently caught the addiction that is gear collecting. I'm sure most of you are familiar with it. First purchase was a fed iv deluxe (fantastic) then stepped up to a wested jacket (little short in the sleeve but otherwise awesome), but now I'm onto the shirt. I've narrowed it down to the two options which have realistic prices when adding shipping to New Zealand. If y'all could chime in with your thoughts....

leaning more towards LC as opposed to raiders. I keep reading about shrinking and bad sizing but that seems to be on the older models. the colour on wpg seems better to me but who can tell from screenshots.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:44 pm

I got both last summer. Between the two, I'm sold on the WPG for a few reasons.

Color, collar, buttons, epaulettes, and overall fit are great IMO. Pockets are just a bit larger than they should be, which seems to be standard on lots of reproduction Indy shirts. Fair warning though - WPG kinda caters to the Raiders look.

Todd's 2013 run was too dark in color, with a high "Elvis" collar. His 2014 run looks too light, still has the collar, and now has pearlescent buttons.

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:06 pm

great thanks for that. yea most things are geared towards raiders I feel. Did you find the sizings were true to measurements stated online?. Shrinkage after a wash?

Nobody wants an elvis collar.

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:32 pm

I can't really imagine what indiana would be like with an Elvis hairdo and shirt.

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:17 pm

Unfortunately it seems that's what they were going for with Mutt. For shame.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:37 pm

Bradsburns wrote:Did you find the sizings were true to measurements stated online?. Shrinkage after a wash?

Not sure about the online measurements. However, at 5'-11.5" and 185 lbs., I wear a size Large in most off-the-rack shirts, and the WPG fits the same. I machine wash it in cold water/gentle cycle and air dry it (no ironing!), so shrinkage hasn't been an issue.

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:11 pm

For me, the Todd's is WAY better than the WPG shirt. I don't really look of exacting details, though. I look for comfort and fit. I have not seen the new Todds color in person, but I have a feeling the lighter color will be goo for an LC look. The WPG color is closer to a Raiders.

The WPG, I find, is too short, at least with the larger sizes, and cut much too generously. And I'm not a skinny guy! Also, the fabric is stiff and smothers me in the warmer weather, which is mostly when I end up in Indy gear. The fabric actiually seems so stiff that the thread holding it together damages the fabric. I've had three WPG shirts, and every one has needed repair after each washing do to seam rips.

The Todd's shirts have always been comfortable to wear, even in a humid July. The fit is pretty good, but I found the sleeves long. However, my arms are a little short by standard sizing in general, so that might just be my own issue.

My standard practice with ALL Indy shirts for washing - cold water machine wash, gentle cycle. Hang dry.

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:35 pm

Well it's one for one at the moment folks. a couple more opinions and ill be ready to pull the trigger. Kinda leaning todds way. once the shirt is outta the way I'm moving onto that sweet sweet magnoli bag.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:02 pm

That's unfortunate, Chewie.

The cloth is a tad bit thicker, but I've yet to have any of those other issues with my WPG.

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:42 pm

Any current pics would be helpful as most currently up are of older versions of the shirts. Sometimes wish I was the kind of person who could just accept a "close enough".

Thanks all.

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:52 am

I can't speak for Todd's shirt as I don't own one, but I did get to see the original run when I visited his shop some time back and was turned off by how yellow they were ( the color of the new ones look much better now - more like LC ). Like Chewbacca Jones mentioned earlier, the WPG is closer to a Raiders shirt in color ( what I was looking for anyway ). I think that the details look really good on the WPG, and the SA shirt wrinkles show up very well after a wash and line dry. The fit on mine was nearly perfect, compared to my earlier Cabela's safari shirt which was like a tent! ( I'm 6'2", 255lbs - size ordered was a 2XL long ). The fabric on the WPG was a bit stiff at first, but is starting to break in nicely after several outings/washes.

I don't have a closeup of the shirt details at the moment, but this at least gives an idea of the color when combined with the rest of the gear ( pay no mind to the hitchhiking spider

)

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:11 am

Errr, what spider?

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:53 pm

sweet gear. Just brush that tarantula off with your whip. Aint no thang.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:24 pm

Don't know if this'll help or not.
The only issue I have with Tods new release is the shrink factor. If you go to the following link you'll see half way down some pic's I took. Just got another L and I'll be washing in cold this time to hopefully minimize the shrinkage.

But otherwise I think it's one of the best he's offered. And as you'll see I have just about all of them.
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Croft

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:28 pm

Croft,

Where did your gunbelt come from?

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:49 am

The new Todd's shirt looks great, IC - much better color ( too bad about the cuffs, though - those suckers look to have really tightened up after washing )

Bradsburns wrote:sweet gear. Just brush that tarantula off with your whip. Aint no thang.

baddates1 · Post by **baddates1** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:12 pm

Solent MKIII wrote:I can't speak for Todd's shirt as I don't own one, but I did get to see the original run when I visited his shop some time back and was turned off by how yellow they were ( the color of the new ones look much better now - more like LC ). Like Chewbacca Jones mentioned earlier, the WPG is closer to a Raiders shirt in color ( what I was looking for anyway ). I think that the details look really good on the WPG, and the SA shirt wrinkles show up very well after a wash and line dry. The fit on mine was nearly perfect, compared to my earlier Cabela's safari shirt which was like a tent! ( I'm 6'2", 255lbs - size ordered was a 2XL long ). The fabric on the WPG was a bit stiff at first, but is starting to break in nicely after several outings/washes.

I don't have a closeup of the shirt details at the moment, but this at least gives an idea of the color when combined with the rest of the gear ( pay no mind to the hitchhiking spider )

oh that one...

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:51 pm

Yeah, he was kind of hidden back there - stealth spider!

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:05 pm

My belt's from Wade Egan.
And ya there just at the point of tight, ya know what I mean. Move button to the edge and they'll feel better. Hopefully I won't have this issue with my new shirt.

Croft

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:32 am

Just purchased a Todds (latest version). $\:D/$ Now the anxious wait for it to arrive. Will post some pics when it does. Now onto the satchel.

thanks folks

IndianaRedmon · Post by **IndianaRedmon** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:41 pm

I've had good luck with the WPG shirts. I've never owned a Todd's shirt though.

Sakis · Post by **Sakis** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:20 am

Bradsburns wrote:Just purchased a Todds (latest version). $\:D/$ Now the anxious wait for it to arrive. Will post some pics when it does. Now onto the satchel.

thanks folks

Any news?

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:08 am

If you've been blessed with arms, I'd go with WPG. Todd's sleeve length and shrinkage make it suitable only for rolling up (ala SOC) or tearing off (ala TOD). And, I must say, they are excellent at capturing that look. But if you'd like the cuffs to be near your hands, best to look elsewhere.

Obi Sean Kenobi · Post by **Obi Sean Kenobi** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:55 pm

I don't think it's even a contest.

WPG all the way.

The color, fabric and the pattern is far better than the todds.

I have a todds from the last run, and I can't even button the sleeves - it's impossible. And I don't have hulk-like forearms or even close.

The WPG is awesome. It's not as perfect as my MBA or my AB - but it's my "go to". I love the way the fabric wrinkles.

car96 · Post by **car96** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:29 pm

Well, you guys have convinced me to buy the shirt....but their price has not. If I can sell my shirt on the bazaar, I could do it.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:40 am

car96 wrote:Well, you guys have convinced me to buy the shirt....but their price has not. If I can sell my shirt on the bazaar, I could do it.

Wow I remember when I bought a WPG shirt in '08 the price was around $50. For what WPG is charging, you might as well spend a little extra and get a custom Magnoli shirt or see if someone sells an Azuma in the Bazaar.

Kyle

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:42 am

Just checked WPG and the shirts are listed at $48. Right what you paid in '08.

Todd's shirts are listed at $49.95.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:10 am

Indiana Jeff wrote:Just checked WPG and the shirts are listed at $48. Right what you paid in '08.

Todd's shirts are listed at $49.95.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

My mistake... I was looking at the pants price. For a minute there, I was like

Kyle

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:46 am

I think Todd's first few iterations of shirts are gold, save for the color; but I give the edge to WPG today, in terms of details and color, as to the technique in the way the movie was filmed and colored. Within a $50 repro. movie prop shirt that is produced mainly in the middle east, you have to allow for some amount of grace, but I'd say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I'd say that NH matched exactly the color and fabric, but as you know, the shirt as appeared in the SoC scenes, color modified or whatever, is what most everyone wants, that light/stone look.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:49 pm

Texan Scott wrote:I'd say that NH matched exactly the color and fabric, but as you know, the shirt as appeared in the SoC scenes, color modified or whatever, is what most everyone wants, that light/stone look.

Agreed. WPG's shirts look very khaki indoors and under the jacket, and SOC "stone" outdoors, so I'd say as far as screen-perceived color, WPG nailed it.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:07 am

I bought a newest iteration WPG recently, and wanted to point a couple of things out. I found that apparently the sizing scheme has reverted back to the older, and larger patterned shirt. This one is a Large, but will have to send it back for a Medium. Chest, sleeves, etc. were on the larger side. Also the color is more grayish, have a gook....

WPG-top, Todd's c2008-left, NH-right

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:46 am

I'm nearly 6'00' and about 185 lbs. The 2013 size Large (my standard size) WPG fits me like most off-the-rack (OTR) shirts.

The 2014 Medium fits me like an OTR 'tailored fit' shirt. It looks nice, but is more snug in the chest and back area. Sleeve length and buttoned collar still fit fine.

I reserve the Medium for gear wear, while the Large is my 'real world use' shirt.

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:41 pm

So here is a few pics of my new Todds shirt. I purchased it from ebay. I must admit I am very happy with it. Great fit in the arms and cuffs. Length could be slightly longer. Now onto the colour.... When purchasing I was under the impression from description that it was one of the latest Todds. However I feel it does have that slight tan colour of earlier versions so I may have been misinformed. However!, I am well pleased with the shirt whatever version it is. Great stitch work. Good feel. Not papery at all as some have stated. Have washed twice and no shrinkage. As it's my first shirt I can't compare to others but I feel this purchase has opened the floodgates and more may be happening in the future. #### this Indy disease!

The Jacket is a Wested, again bought from ebay for 40 bucks! Fedora is a Fed 4. Hit me with your thoughts.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:22 pm

Lookin good my friend.
And opening the flood gates is an understatement.

Croft

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:23 pm

The shirt looks great. I own one of Todd's shirts myself and am really impressed with the quality. I think mine must be from the same run as yours with was more tan than stone.

Good looking jacket too

bfett81 · Post by **bfett81** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:57 pm

Bradsburns wrote:

So here is a few pics of my new Todds shirt.
The Jacket is a Wested, again bought from ebay for 40 bucks! Fedora is a Fed 4. Hit me with your thoughts.

How did you get that shirt so soft and relaxed looking? Fabric softener? Detergent?

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:53 pm

Thanks for the comments gents. As for getting it soft looking, all I have done is washed it twice. No softener. I did iron the button section to smooth out some nasty folds.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:21 am

great deal on a vintage wested!

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:57 pm

My experience(s) with WPG's latest run, just purchased in recent weeks.

Pros: Slightly darker, Raiders-reminiscent fabric color match buttons. SA smaller pockets!

Con: Hit or miss construction integrity. I've returned three shirts due to poor stitching. Two of the three involved stitching coming apart right away - one on the sleeve where the buttoned opening meets, and the other at a pocket flap corner.

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:19 pm

I have a new Todd's on the way (thanks IndyCroft). I recently bought, say in the last six months, a new WPG shirt and I agree with Cajun it's darker and the buttons are incorrect. I've stated earlier on this thread, my WPG came from a member here on COW from an earlier batch and he had a medium taken in, it just so happens (although snug) that his alterations work for me. I love this shirt, yes I will show it soon with the rest of my gear it is spot on for Raiders. I'm going to try washing with bleach to see if I can get the new shirt to conform, I will update with this. However, I am going to have to find buttons because the buttons for this shirt are incorrect for all Indy movies. I'll keep you guys in the loop.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:43 pm

Mic,

From the screencaps and closeups I've seen on COW, the Raiders buttons more or less blend in with the shirt's color.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:05 am

I have a new Todd's on the way (thanks IndyCroft).

Your welcome, Hope it fits you.

However, I am going to have to find buttons because the buttons for this shirt are incorrect for all Indy movies. I'll keep you guys in the loop.

And if you do let me know where you find them as I to wish ta change out the buttons.

Croft

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:31 pm

Hey Cajun, yeah I know the buttons for the Raiders shirt are almost same color as the shirt so I'll let you guys know what I come up with.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:23 pm

micsteam wrote:Hey Cajun, yeah I know the buttons for the Raiders shirt are almost same color as the shirt so I'll let you guys know what I come up with.

Exactly my point. Maybe it's just me, but I thought WPG's new buttons were spot-on...

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:17 pm

Hmmm, I believe I'm gonna try the black sock method on this shirt. The yellow is getting to me. will post before and afters.

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:08 pm

Cajunkraut wrote:Mic,

From the screencaps and closeups I've seen on COW, the Raiders buttons more or less blend in with the shirt's color.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:06 pm

really nice shot of the jacket's texture too.

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:34 pm

I got the Todd's a few weeks ago and I have to say, even though the color looks good, I am not a fan of the fabric. The shirt almost feels like an old school plaid shirt without being plaid pattern, I feel to heavy and maybe pajama-ish. Don't get me wrong, this is not a knock against Todd's, as I have quite few items from them and I'm very happy, just this batch, not for me. I'm staying with my WPG but as I've said before, I purchased another shirt earlier this year and it's darker than the one I presently own so I'm going to work this one and see how it goes. It's about production and when you outsource manufacturing sometimes you don't get what you expect, everyone is trying to save a buck so it may not be Todd's or WPG but the people they hire across the water that don't use the same materials/suppliers every batch.

Bradsburns · Post by **Bradsburns** » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:01 pm

Hmmm pajamaish is definitely not what you want in an indy shirt. My todds, again it's an older version, is in no way bedroom attire....well.... No definitely not. material on mine is thin but not too thin and after a few washes has softened up rather nicely.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:58 pm

...it might be cool to see the wife in it at night...

kinda' spices that adventure flavor..?