What Price Glory Raiders shirt

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:02 pm

I happened to purchase used a WPG (What Price Glory) Indy Raiders shirt with a Wested Raiders jacket here in Cairo Bazaar and I have to say this is an excellent shirt. I have a Wested Indy shirt and this blows it away, it seems it's in the correct military like/type material, it wrinkles after washing (unless pressed ofcourse), and it photographs well ( I took several shots of me wearing it in different light and it looks SA). I've always felt the Raider shirt was borderline white but is a khaki or more like a bleached khaki it is not white. I also know that one batch of shirts can be different than another from the same company and between different makes. I don't know... what's everybody's thoughts on this ??

TenuredProfessor · Post by **TenuredProfessor** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:35 pm

I definately agree, micstream

I actually bought two WPG shirts last summer, and hadn't worn one until a couple of weeks ago. I have 6 different Indy shirts, mostly Todds and two AB's, and those get worn more. When I first got it, I thought it was too stiff and thick for warmer months, but man, after a wash, it's absolutely perfect. They used to have sizing issues, but I ordered a large and medium long, and the large fits perfectly. I should probably put the ML in the bazaar

Great shirts for sure!!!

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:55 pm

I know, I just happened onto this shirt and had the guy throw it in and I have been pleasantly surprised. WPG is supposed to be military surplus or repopped stuff and I have been a collector of military (specifically U.S. and British) clothing and equipment for years and their shirts are military grade material they need to be washed several times. If you pay attention to Indy's shirt through Raiders the WPG wrinkles in just the right places as Indy's shirts does in the movies. My shirt is a medium but I think I'm going to pick up a large just to see.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:07 pm

I don't know if you had seen one of their old style Indy shirts? They used to be huge! For sport, guys used to wear them over their jackets, they were tent sized! But Jerry took his cues, changed the patterns and revamped them for a much better OTR sizing scheme. Today, their Indy shirt is one of the fan favorites. It was one of the most dramatic improvements from one offering to the next that I have ever seen in the gear. About the only thing I might tweak about them is the coarse material, and most likely that finally diminishes with use and the number of times they are washed.

jlhampton · Post by **jlhampton** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:58 pm

I agree about the material. After washing a few times, it did loosen up a bit and become more comfortable to wear. It seemed very heavy and coarse right out of the bag, but the color was the real winner for me. I've said over and over that the color of the WPG is, in person, the most S.A. of anything I've seen. Photos here have not been too greatly representative of actual live color so it's hard to tell from the other offerings until you hold one in your hands.
The hem stitching is, in my opinion, pretty heavy for S.A., but very rugged. Other than that and the cut being, still, a little too wide in the torso/body, I really like the shirt. Oh, I did wash it in hot water to shrink it up some, 'cos it was still rather big for me new, and the only thing that changed was the sleeve length. Maybe 3/4 to 1''.

jlhampton

WConly · Post by **WConly** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:28 am

Tundrarider wrote:I also like the WPG for it's color and fit. The sturdiness is great too, as it softens up with use and abuse, but can take it!

Member "sgmorton" posted some full gear pics while wearing his WPG shirt and there's one set of pics there that tell the story best. Here's the thread from sgmorton:

http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59437

If you scroll down about 2/3 of the way down the page, he posted three pics together and the shirt appears to be a different color (or shade) in each. This is why I think that the WPG color is best; I've never seen it in real life or in pics where it ever looked "wrong." And the fact that it's a different shade in different light, while all shades still look "right," says a lot for this color.

Here's my review of the WPG from 2010 in case you're interested.

http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=48395

Michael

Well friend, You have sold me. I just ordered my first WPG. I will let you all know how it compares to my Wested and Todd's! Thanks! W>

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:39 am

This shirt has been on my next-to-buy list for some time ( now if that tax refund would hurry up and get here...

).

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:54 pm

Yes, please post a review once you get it. I was very interested in the WPG stuff but I went with Todd's (well, except for my bag). If the review sells it, I just might have to get one of the WPG shirts afterall...

TenuredProfessor · Post by **TenuredProfessor** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:27 pm

http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=48395

Yep, Tundy has some of the best, most informative reviews on these boards for a variety of gear. It's your reviews, Michael, that usually end up convincing me to open my wallet

I can't stress enough that, after a wash, these shirts are top notch. WPG ships super fast as well

wilbyc82 · Post by **wilbyc82** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:44 pm

I love this shirt!!
The colour, fabric and fit are all spot on. I agree with the superiority when compared to the Wested in terms of all of the above. I could never achieve the correct "crinkled" effect with the Wested. WPG have produced an inctedible shirt for the price.....big fan

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RayROnline · Post by **RayROnline** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:50 pm

I too love my WPG's. I have 2 in M-long because I wanted to make sure it tucked in well. Fits me great...except one sleeve on 1 shirt has tha widest button too tight so I can barely get in to it. I'm going to have to move it. That material is rugged all right. I have always had my laundered and pressed (all my brands of Indy shirts), perhaps I'll machine wash these a few times to see if it lightens up the color a bit.

Still, my absolute fav shirt is my Azuma that I got in the Bazaar. I would love to get another Large. Seems I always miss when he posts his limited runs...even though I emailed him and was told I'd get a heads-up.

For me the color/material/fit combination is just right. Sort of a cross between a TODDS and Magnoli.

RayROnline · Post by **RayROnline** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:17 pm

Tundrarider wrote:You are welcome, WConly! I hope you like it!

Wet the shirt, either by the washing machine or in the sink. Squeeze out the excess water and put it on. Wear it while doing yardwork until it's dry. The shirt molds to your body and gets nice wrinkles in the right places! I recommend a warm day for this!

Michael

How about if I do that and then wear it while the guy I pay does yard work?

WConly · Post by **WConly** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:35 pm

Boy, these guys (WPG) are fast. Just ordered a couple of days ago and it is already speeding on it's way across the ocean to me! W>

WConly · Post by **WConly** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:13 pm

Tundrarider wrote:You are welcome, WConly! I hope you like it!

And thank you David, for the very kind words!

RayROnline wrote:I have always had my laundered and pressed (all my brands of Indy shirts), perhaps I'll machine wash these a few times to see if it lightens up the color a bit.
If you have one shirt for your Full Indy Gear outfit, you might do this method with it. I've found that to get the best look for the "lived in" Indy shirt, do the following:

Wet the shirt, either by the washing machine or in the sink. Squeeze out the excess water and put it on. Wear it while doing yardwork until it's dry. The shirt molds to your body and gets nice wrinkles in the right places! I recommend a warm day for this!

Michael

Wow! You were so on target with this shirt! Arrived this morning (three days after ordering)! I couldn't be happier! Great colour! Great stying! Fits perfect and well trimmed (no extras strings, etc.)! Plus, the tail is longer then any of the other two offerings I have (Todd's and Wested). Thanks friend. You really turned me on to a superb 'Indy' shirt and with the price point and fast delivery, I am already considering ordering another. W>

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:22 am

I'm glad you're as happy and satisfied as I was/am. I'm placing an order sometime in the next month. Anybody but MKVII bag from them ?? Quick answer I don't want to veer off topic

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:20 pm

I got their repro bag and strap. The strap is only 62" so you would probably need to switch it out for something longer for the buckle to sit right. The bag is great, as far as I can tell...

IndyRiv · Post by **IndyRiv** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:30 pm

I bought a total of 6 from them but only found one that met my satisfaction. They don't like a person asking for "no rust on any of the hardware, plain snaps, etc" and 5 of the 6 I got were a grab-bag of things. That's why I'm leery to order from them. They're not very kind with their customer service and to pay $50-60 per bag and NOT get EXACTLY what you want is too high for me. Plus, I use my bags for my permanent collection, so accuracy and details are key on the pieces I purchase.

RayROnline · Post by **RayROnline** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:22 pm

Last November I got an authentic, unused bag on eBay. It came with a satisfactory strap. I since ordered another strap from Wade Egan (which I apparently will never get

but settled for the strap that came with it. But I had a shoe shop replace the screw-on rivets with real ones. The bag was unused, still wrapped, totally awesome. I would look there if trying to get one.

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:05 pm

Not veer to far, but I bought two WPG authentic W&G, and both had to be sent off for repair on the side canvase that holds the ring, dry rot issue. But there both fine now, and doing quiet nicely.

WPG service is awesome, I want to purchase a new shirt but I have to wait for a new batch, looking for a M long.

Croft

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:18 pm

Hello TenuredProfessor, there's a PM for you, I have a question for you.
Thanks, Croft

Canasta · Post by **Canasta** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Indiana Croft wrote:Not veer to far, but I bought two WPG authentic W&G, and both had to be sent off for repair on the side canvase that holds the ring, dry rot issue. But there both fine now, and doing quiet nicely.

WPG service is awesome, I want to purchase a new shirt but I have to wait for a new batch, looking for a M long.

Croft

Hey Croft.
Where did you get those canvas sides repaired?
I am in need of one getting fixed as well.

Thanks!
C

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:32 pm

Wade Egan.

Croft

RayROnline · Post by **RayROnline** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:55 pm

Was that recent? Because I have not been able to get in touch with Wade since I gave an $85 last November for a new strap and whip holder.

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Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:46 pm

It was some time early last year. And ya I wish he comes back some time, I'd like to snag more of his gloves, there the closest I've seen to SA.

He did nice work, he actually reinforced the canvas, with something stronger, you just don't see it.

Croft

RayROnline · Post by **RayROnline** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:31 pm

Indiana Croft wrote:It was some time early last year. And ya I wish he comes back some time, I'd like to snag more of his gloves, there the closest I've seen to SA.

He did nice work, he actually reinforced the canvas, with something stronger, you just don't see it.

Croft

Yes, I have heard that he did. That's why I went to him. Now I'd be happy just to get ANY quality product or my money back. That looks like $85 I'll never see again.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Tue May 14, 2013 1:35 pm

According to the sizing, the WPG shirt in medium is basically the same sizing as Todd's large. Does anyone have an opinion on this? I will probably order a WPG this week but was unsure of the sizing issue! Help!

RayROnline · Post by **RayROnline** » Tue May 14, 2013 2:18 pm

I would say that's a fair description. I wear a WPG long for the extra tail and a Todds large and they fit very closely to the same. Both work well for me.

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lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Wed May 15, 2013 2:35 am

The WPG is also my favorite. I ordered the Large-Long and love the extra length! So many shirts after a few washes shrink up and come untucked when bending over or reaching up. NOT this shirt.
The color reminds me of damp drywall mud and looks great with my Todd's pants.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Wed May 15, 2013 2:46 pm

Well, the deed is done! I ordered my WPG shirt today in size Medium. I am not that tall in stature so I did not go with the Long and mostly I like wearing it with shorts during the summer and the tails stay untucked, so the length does not bother me much...

I can't wait to get this one!

Indiana Croft · Post by **Indiana Croft** » Wed May 15, 2013 5:06 pm

You won't be disappointed, I just picked one up through a board member in M/L, I like my tails long. I have one of the earlier "tent" versions and I like this one whole lot more. The fit is perfect and the material seems like a match to the old, so after a few washes, it'll look even better.
The tent size one will find it's way to the bazzar real soon.

Croft

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Mon May 20, 2013 4:29 pm

Still waiting but I know they ship superfast. I think it only took 3 or 4 days when I ordered the WPG bag and strap...

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Tue May 21, 2013 1:45 pm

Anybody ever bleached one of these to maybe get a slightly lighter less tan color ???

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Tue May 21, 2013 3:07 pm

micsteam wrote:Anybody ever bleached one of these to maybe get a slightly lighter less tan color ???

To me the WPG is not really tan, it's more a stone color, tan has yellow in it like raw leather.
Look at some drywall mud in its box or on a wall before it completely dries and that's the range of color of this shirt.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Tue May 21, 2013 4:04 pm

Only thing I can think of to "bleach" the shirt is to wear it out to the beach, get it wet in the sea water and walk around in the hot sun to dry it out. Do this for an entire summer and you just might have it done to perfection by September!!

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Wed May 22, 2013 1:43 pm

lantzn I agree I meant to say a stone or a gray color, I used " tan " loosely.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Wed May 22, 2013 7:55 pm

khaki can be shades of green, gray, yellow and brown.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:53 pm

Just got the shirt! Came in exactly one week. Haven't opened it yet but will send in review once I get to it!

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Thu May 23, 2013 3:58 pm

Truly finding that correct color is the real hunt. I've always found that, the Raiders shirt my favorite !!, it was a stone/grayish white it seemed it had dye or the real color at the seams where there was the most fabric.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Thu May 23, 2013 9:20 pm

Good and bad news! I love the WPG shirt, but it fits just a bit snug. Is anyone willing to do a straightup trade for a size large? Just has to be relatively new if possible...mine is a medium.

micsteam · Post by **micsteam** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:12 pm

Tundrarider,
love your Indy gear !!! What shirt are you wearing in your avatar photo ?? It really has the right contrast for the Indy Raiders look and I was just curious.

ijq8 · Post by **ijq8** » Thu May 30, 2013 12:07 am

lantzn wrote:The WPG is also my favorite. I ordered the Large-Long and love the extra length! So many shirts after a few washes shrink up and come untucked when bending over or reaching up. NOT this shirt.
The color reminds me of damp drywall mud and looks great with my Todd's pants.

I'm trying to figure out proper sizing and it seems these shirts and others have been all over the map. I'm 6'1", 195lbs...would WPG owners recommend Large or Large-Long. Thanks.

Btw, new to COW, but loving it. Cheers.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Thu May 30, 2013 11:15 am

I'm in the same boat! I ordered the Medium because the sizing seems to be just like Todd's Large which fits me fine. When I got my WPG last week, it was a bit too small for me...so I had to return it for a Large instead.

The sizing is all over!! Haven't received word on my exchange yet but it should be sent out in the next day or two...

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Thu May 30, 2013 7:05 pm

ijq8 wrote:
lantzn wrote:The WPG is also my favorite. I ordered the Large-Long and love the extra length! So many shirts after a few washes shrink up and come untucked when bending over or reaching up. NOT this shirt.
The color reminds me of damp drywall mud and looks great with my Todd's pants.

I'm trying to figure out proper sizing and it seems these shirts and others have been all over the map. I'm 6'1", 195lbs...would WPG owners recommend Large or Large-Long. Thanks.

Btw, new to COW, but loving it. Cheers.

I'd suggest Large Long. I've never had an issue with WPG, post pattern revamp, of course. The new WPG shirts basically fit true to OTR. I had previously ordered a Medium, but sent it back for a Large, basically a men's 42-44.

IndianaRedmon · Post by **IndianaRedmon** » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:02 pm

WPG has always had decent IJ items. I've owned both their bags and shirts, and found them all to be fine items.

Charybdis · Post by **Charybdis** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:34 pm

Got my new size large WPG shirt and it fits soooo much better, more akin to the Todds shirt. Put me down as another happy customer! Love the stone putty color!

Post by **Cajunkraut** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:32 am

The WPG is by far my favorite shirt of the two vendors' shirts that I have.

Fits well, quality daily wear construction, and I consider the color very Raiders SA, especially for 'Cairo Casual'.

car96 · Post by **car96** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:58 am

Looks good. I gotta get one.

Solent MKIII · Post by **Solent MKIII** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:56 pm

Just pulled the trigger on one - finally!

ltfoley · Post by **ltfoley** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:58 pm

Here's mine, i'm very happy with it. It's a Medium Long but i had it shortenned. And it's perfect!!!
The Hat is a Last Crusade Herbert Johnson.

bobbyd · Post by **bobbyd** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:32 pm

ltfoley wrote:Here's mine, i'm very happy with it. It's a Medium Long but i had it shortenned. And it's perfect!!!
The Hat is a Last Crusade Herbert Johnson.

Looks great LtFoley! I'm trying to figure out if I should go M or M-L myself. If you don't mind my asking, what is your sleeve measurement (i.e. from the center of where your neck meets your back, across your shoulder, and down to the first knuckle of your thumb), and is the sleeve length of your M-L sufficient? I'm right about a 34", not sure if the M will do it, or if I should go M-L. WPG gives the yoke and sleeve lengths, but I'm not sure if I should derive the traditional "dress shirt" sort of sleeve measurement by adding the sleeve length to 1/2 the yoke length.