Bill Kelso's Relic Hunter

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:50 pm

I'll throw just a slight wrench in the cogs...the Raven Bar/Flying Wing jacket's collar did not look like that...?

Christian Jones · Post by **Christian Jones** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:52 am

I made some comparaison shots of my Keslo and my Tony Nowak.
Both jackets are identical. Only the leather is diferent, the Nowak is in 747 Cowhide and the Kelso is Striated lamb. Both are almost the same size.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/56389277@N07/

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:07 am

Thanks for those comparison shots! Shows how close these jackets are.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:15 am

I caught the "Chicago" thing too but I have no clue why it states that. I thought these were made in Greece. But, I like the design of the certificate that I don`t really care what they put on it...for me, its just for my own display. It would be different if I were selling it with the certificate, I suppose, to an unsuspecting buyer. Hand Cut? Don`t know. maybe it is.
Temp was 104 for a bit yesterday and wore it around. No problems. Sweated alittle during the photo shoot but other than that, no worries.
Texan Scott, I am not that well versed on the collars ( I personally love me a Wested collar) but there have been several times where this thing looks very thinned out and small like my Flightsuits use to look which someone here posted pics one time of it right next to the Flying Wing jacket and it was spot on. Either way, don`t worry about raining on anyones parade...I posted pics cuz I want people who are interested in this jacket to see what they might be getting and whether it scratches their itches when it comes to an Indy jacket. Opinions, observations, critics and flat out hatred are welcome. I love this jacket and I`m wearing it and it definitely scratches all my itches very well. I honestly wouldn`t know better.

As stated earlier, on mine, my Nowak and this Kelso are almost exactly the same except for those few points I pointed out.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:33 am

I'm still puzzled by the COA, or certificate.

What purpose does it serve?

"Yep, it's a reproduction, and I can PROVE it!" $\:D/$

It really doesn't add anything to the collectibility of the item, as everyone knows it's a direct copy of an original jacket. Why include a COA stating same?

It's a first for me, I'll have to admit.

Other than that curious item, it's a nice looking package, based on the photos alone.

Regards! Michaelson

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:59 am

This is just for discussion purposes, and splitting hairs, but this jacket is in really an amalgomation. It is essentially the Raven Bar/flying wing body with the Immam/opening sequence collar, and true, it may be an exact copy of the TN jacket, but look closely at the stills, especially the flying wing/out of the Well of Souls shots. The screen jacket collar is smaller and rounded (as Peter and G&B have accurately reproduced) with visible striations on the upper right panel on the dusty jacket. Peter and Co. have accurately reproduced this collar on many of their jackets, especially before the HERO project was begun. You can also see the striations on the inside Elstree studio shots, Indy in the Temple/idol grab, meaning that it is the same jacket as the RB/FW/fight sequences. STILL, a very nice reproduction of the Indy jacket, and to date, could be the best. BK & Co. has proven how much the type and texture of skin matters to reproducing the overall appearance of the film jacket. Yet, dollar for dollar, I'd say Todd's 2008 run of jackets was the best in the house. At $150 per pop, he brought affordability AND attention to details to the fans.

A trend in the past couple of years or so has been to make the Indy jacket with a larger, pointed collar, and yes and no, depending on the sequence, though.

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:43 am

Michealson- I was definitely not expecting a certificate with this item but, oh well, it is a very nice looking one to me.
Texan Scott-Very true on all points!
as I line up my jackets to begin the great jacket sell-off, my Todd's Standard is definitely not being considered for the running.

theman · Post by **theman** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:37 am

Man that certificate really bothers me... "being hand cut from the original patterns used for Harrison Ford in the film Raiders of the Lost Arc" is just an outright lie. Second, with Chicago and the background presentation of the cert, it seems to be implying a made in the US vibe...that is great for the other lie that can be stated as marketing.
I had way more interest in this jacket on it's own merits as a great Indy jacket before seeing this horrible implementation of a certificate that is so full of @#$%.
If indeed most of the development is done her in the US by the company based in Chicago(specs, pattern-work, etc.), I can see part justification for this kind of marketing...if that is not truly the case, then shame on them. I have done development here and had jackets built overseas, many makers have. But I'm not about to lie about the jacket's origins or how it came to be produced just to gain sales.
This jacket was patterned off of a Tony Nowak replica jacket, plain and simple... and even that jacket was developed off an example jacket, NOT original patterns.
The jacket looks great and looks built well, and uses an excellent leather selection to my eye... so let it stand on those merits instead of injecting a junk COA.

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:43 am

Gotta say, I like the certificate. Nice touch. I'm not debating points made previously, but it looks cool and it's all pretend anyway. I'm very impressed. Looking at Gorak's pics, it has captured the Raiders vibe entirely - the drape of the back is exceptional. Brilliant work all around.

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:56 am

Theman- I assume you are a person who knows your stuff judging just what I have experienced from you on this and other websites. Have you considered just writing them directly and inquiring about the certificate if it bothers you that much. Maybe there is some reasoning we haven't percieved yet.
I personally dont care but they have been very open to any and all inquiries so I dont see why a simple e-mail with your concerns wouldn't be better than just stating that they are liers.
just my opinion.

Forrest For the Trees · Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:03 am

The certificate is troubling and confusing. The Bill Kelso website says it like it is, though, as they state that they got a hold of a TN Raiders jacket, that was presumably cut from a pattern created by replicating an original Raiders production jacket in HF's size. Why would they create a certificate that says otherwise.

While we are saying it is all pretend, I could see most people taking that certificate literally. Why not just have a certificate that says this is an original Bill Kelso jacket, hand cut to replicate a screen used Raiders jacket worn by HF. The claim of original patterns would seem to be a lie.

Regardless, it is a great looking Raiders jacket...

theman · Post by **theman** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:06 am

Well I am pretending to talk to George Lucas right now, and he is pretending to hand me all the original pattern work from all four films, so that I can pretend to remake all the jackets and pretend to sell them for $2000 a piece... man, my pretend bank account is overflowing, and I will use my pretend debit card to buy groceries tonight.

Dang, why does my card keep getting declined... oh that's right, we have to stop pretending at some point.

Sorry for the rant... I just see so many good things about this jacket that it get's really spoiled by something like a small bit of integrity. Maybe I just missed the winky smiley face embedded in the cert.

That's a good thought Gorak, I think I will. I don't mean to rain on any parades myself and usually don't get riled up about anything I see online... just the way that cert states things, it's just I have seen others make claims such as these over the years and seen a lot of people just take those statements as truth and buy product and wonder why things don't add up. At least this one is backed up with a product that actually delivers the goods in the end.

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:20 am

theman- coming from you, I dont take it as a rant, I take it as a legitimate concern. I have seen your work and totally respect your opinions and views. I see no need for a certificate but since I got it, and it looks very creative, I like it.
I am not familiar with the novels or the lore of Indiana Jones back history, could Chicago be something that mentioned in the novels? Like where he shopped or something? I recall in the Young Indy series, he met Al Capone but I don't recall any mention of his jacket.

afalzon · Post by **afalzon** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:28 pm

Man that certificate really bothers me... "being hand cut from the original patterns used for Harrison Ford in the film Raiders of the Lost Arc" is just an outright lie. Second, with Chicago and the background presentation of the cert, it seems to be implying a made in the US vibe...that is great for the other lie that can be stated as marketing.
I had way more interest in this jacket on it's own merits as a great Indy jacket before seeing this horrible implementation of a certificate that is so full of @#$%.
If indeed most of the development is done her in the US by the company based in Chicago(specs, pattern-work, etc.), I can see part justification for this kind of marketing...if that is not truly the case, then shame on them. I have done development here and had jackets built overseas, many makers have. But I'm not about to lie about the jacket's origins or how it came to be produced just to gain sales.
This jacket was patterned off of a Tony Nowak replica jacket, plain and simple... and even that jacket was developed off an example jacket, NOT original patterns.
The jacket looks great and looks built well, and uses an excellent leather selection to my eye... so let it stand on those merits instead of injecting a junk COA.

Hi,
Couldn't help but noticing your worries about the certificate.

The certificate means nothing. It's just a nice piece of artwork about the jacket that someone can frame and hang on his wall and be happy about his jacket purchase, i.e. it's for decoration purposes only.

Bill Kelso does not mean to use the certificate for advertising. The customer finds out about the certificate only after he has bought the jacket. And I don't believe you think anyone would buy the jacket just because of what is stated in the certificate...

Regarding the "big lie" about the original patterns, we have indeed copied a jacket that was a copy of a jacket made with the original patterns, so ours is also a descendant of the original patterns, no? We copied it exactly, we didn't change anything, so it's in line with the original patterns, isn’t it?

How is the certificate supposed to put it? "We certify that this is a copy of a copy of an original jacket that was hand cut from the original patterns" Doesn't sound very cool. Not something you would hang on the wall. If you bought our jacket would you want this on your certificate? Yet, the result is still the same. You get a jacket that is the same with the original. There is no lie about that.

The certificate also has a vintage touch implying that it was issued in the 1930's. But there was no such motion picture back then. So here you go, you caught us lying again.

About "Chicago". Read "About Us" on our website and you will get it. Our first jacket was a house design A-2 jacket that was inspired by WWII A-2 jackets. The A-2 jackets had the name and city of the manufacturer on the woven spec label. So what were we supposed to write there? BILL KELSO, ATHENS?
and sell this for WWII style flight jacket? I really don’t think so.

The labels of jackets made by Eastman in the UK read “LYNN, MASS” or “MIDDLETOWN, PA” or “BOSTON, MASS” etc. Is he a liar too? Real McCoy’s Japan house design A-2 label reads “ISOLA, NY”. Another lie…

There is no mention anywhere that the jackets are made in USA. We make the jackets in Europe and ship them from Europe and we give all the information about all this to anyone who asks.

I don’t want to think that you would engage yourself in an effort to defame Bill Kelso because you are also a jacket manufacturer...

You are smart enough to realize that this jacket does not sell because of the certificate, but if you find our lies so unbearable, then we will include a note in the certificate that will read something to this effect:

“The jacket you bought is Made in EU. It is a direct copy of a faithful replica of a jacket worn by Harrison Ford in the motion picture “Raiders of the Lost Ark” released 1981 by Paramount studios. “Bill Kelso Mfg Co., Chicago” is any imaginary company name. This certificate is provided only for decoration"

Silly, but are you happy now?

tomek9210 · Post by **tomek9210** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:33 pm

I think you're wrong with Chicago thing. In my opinion it has to do with Bill Kelso company itself. As you can see at their website, they specialise in WWII era jackets. Maybe it was based on some war era manufacturer, which was located in windy city.

afalzon · Post by **afalzon** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:35 pm

That's right and that company is J.A. DUBOW MFG. CO. CHICAGO, ILL.

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:38 pm

I believe the point was to let the jacket stand for itself. It does...its very nice. While our members may know the provenance and story of this, again, very nice jacket, The COA could mislead those not in the "know"
Theman does not currently offer an Indy jacket, and I'm positive his intent was not to dissuade sales from your fine operation. The fact is the COA could be misinterpreted by the uninformed...

CRB · Post by **CRB** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:08 pm

Isn't this similar to Belstaff putting a Union Jack on jackets made in Italy ??

Anyway, I personally couldn't give a toss over a certificate. The jacket looks fantastic and my money is going their way this weekend. At least I won't have to tick around with G&B again (apologies to G&B lovers, I'm sure their product is lovely, their sales/customer service isn't).

Forrest For the Trees · Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:52 pm

afalzon wrote:
“The jacket you bought is Made in EU. It is a direct copy of a faithful replica of a jacket worn by Harrison Ford in the motion picture “Raiders of the Lost Ark” released 1981 by Paramount studios. “Bill Kelso Mfg Co., Chicago” is any imaginary company name. This certificate is provided only for decoration"

Silly, but are you happy now?

While this may have been suggested in jest, it sounds like a reasonable an honorable thing to do.

theman · Post by **theman** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:51 pm

Andy - I'm sorry if my concerns seem silly to you, but as I said, there have been a few certificates over the years stating great provenance with false-truths... also as I said, at least the Bill Kelso offering has the quality to look like a proper replica.

I have no issues what-so-ever with your product, and put it up there with, or even surpassing, the most accurate Raiders jacket I have ever owned to date. But the logic in your certificate and it's omissions of much of the truth is warped... I can, and have, created jacket replicas from only pictures, that match up exactly to the real jackets they replicate when compared in real life after completion. By your logic I should also state my jacket replicas are made from the original patterns. Now that is a silly statement, and just as false as your certificate.

I am with Forrest in his suggestion, and can easily rewrite your certificate to something more appropriate and just as jovial as I am sure you intended. You can easily state something like,"Bill Kelso Mfg, presents the Relic Hunter, bringing to life the jacket Harrison Ford wears in the film Raiders of the Lost Arc"
Simple, straight to the point, and no lies though-out, and still a wonderful piece of artwork behind it to hang/frame on your wall... you can even throw some RAIDERS script and some red traveling course graphic into that cool mapish background and really liven things up, and all without taking away from the integrity that you are providing a great product to your customers.

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:03 pm

I do get it. But I speak from the point of view that I know nobody has original patterns. For me, Todd's are great but the sleeves are never long enough for me; Wested's Hero is nice but the leather isn't right, and they tend to let the yoke get too big; for that matter as much as I love my Nowaks, the leathers were always too tough and thick to capture the Raiders look to my eye. I am so stoked about these Kelso jackets... Right cut, right leather, can make adjustments to length... Honestly, I'm well aware of the Chicago A-2 connection... I've seen the location of the old Dubow shop and in my "pretend" state of mind, it's fun to think of Indy getting his jackets in Chicago - though I know they're from Greece. In reality, I'm kinda happy to help out Greece a bit after all the tough times they've gone through in recent years. So a jacket that straddles classical archaeology and Indy's college years works ok for me.

theman · Post by **theman** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:21 pm

Tibor - I totally agree with you on all jacket counts... as far as I'm concerned Kelso Mfg is providing the pinnacle Raiders jacket that used to be place-held by Nowak, who had been the first to actually create one off an original, finally giving us all a correctly patterned jacket.
My only minor contention was how the cert was implemented, and that is an easy and trivial fix that has no bearing on the jacket itself...just the spokesperson behind it.

afalzon · Post by **afalzon** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:45 pm

Bill Kelso is not looking to cheat or mislead anyone. We just haven't given so much thought about the certificate, only that it would be cool for our customers to have.

We will take all necessary steps to correct this, either by altering the wording or by discarding the certificate completely.

Andy

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:14 pm

Definitely keep the certificate...

"This is to certify that this Relic Hunter Jacket is an authentic reproduction of Harrison Ford's from the film Raiders of the Lost Ark".

I think you'd be good to go.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:14 pm

Personally, I did not really have an issue with the 'Cert' per se. It too is somewhat of a copy of Wested's/LC's official seal, if you will. I think they harmlessly wanted to include their own version of an "extra" in with the jacket so that the owner would have another tidbit of trivia, sort of another collectable? Obviously with the price point, these will be few to come by than the Wested's that we have collected over the years.

Now, was the wording what we wanted to see, exactly? Well, I think you guys are hammering that out at present.

CM · Post by CM » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:03 pm

Certificates and the claims made in them are important when you are buying. It's why I got a Wested LC in 2002. I thought that the claims made were real. Original patterns, etc. Wrong. The jacket did not look like the film one. I would have bought a G&B immediately if I had known and saved a few hundred bucks. That being said this BK jacket at least has the look right, whatever the source.

jonesoss · Post by **jonesoss** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:38 pm

Been a minute since I posted, but this jacket looks fantastic

. I bought one, but since I am in the military with an APO, AE address it will be a minute till I get it. I have a Wested 2003 and a Wings Legend; looking foward to adding to the herd

. Hopefully when I have a lull in training I will be able to post some pics.

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:55 am

Not to beat a dead horse, but I agree with what others have said, both about the jacket and the certificate.

The jacket is outstanding in design and the leather choices are some of the best that have ever been available.

The description on the website is clear and to the point and well explains the history of the creation of the jacket.

The certificate, on the other hand, to me cheapens the jacket.

The first time I saw the certificate, I read it twice and still wasn't sure what it was saying.

I know it's a reproduction (all retail jackets available are reproductions). I also know it didn't come from any 'mythical' patterns that have been lying about in a drawer for over 30 years waiting to be discovered. It is what it is. A copy of a copy of what has been reported to be a screen-used hero ROLA jacket. And for anyone looking for an excellent Indiana Jones jacket, that's enough.

I understand the explanation that the certificate was supposed to be something fun thrown in, but even the suggestion that a fan could 'frame it and hang it up' lends a level of legitimacy to the certificate I don't think should be there. This reminds me of Baron Hats offering COAs with their reproduction hats. What exactly is the COA legitimizing? That the hat is a reproduction? OK. I already knew that. Same idea here. The COA with the jacket has the potential to lend a higher degree of authenticity to the foundation of the jacket than there is. I can easily see a future online auction where one of these jackets are listed including the COA that this jacket was 'official' in some way. It becomses a slippery sloap and Bill Kelso as a brand could get caught up in that mess.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:58 pm

WOO HOO just found my number..

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 131811.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I`m number three! Yersterday, I got caught in a terrible rainstorm and so I am just waiting for more grain to `pop`! Have I mentioned I`m loving this jacket!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:01 pm

Well... I've just placed my order for one Striated Lamb Authentic Brown "Relic Hunter" Jacket in a Size 40

(I have to be honest with you, though: I've never been more nervous about the size I'm ordering. It's gonna be rough waiting the 2-3 weeks before getting my hands on it - and trying it on)

My sincere congratulations to you fellas who seem to have gotten great fits - and who seem satisfied with your sizing... Hope I'm as lucky as the both of you!
Fingers crossed!

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:15 am

These look great, just can't get my head around the price of the striated lamb....

.....Yet!
Enjoy Them

ZOLTAR

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:27 am

Tundra_ here is closeup of my whip arm..
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 115114.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Started trying to do some action shots but too much family stuff going on that I didn`t get started till the sun was going down so while the lighting may not be the best, still looks kinda cool!
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 200429.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 201018.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 195711.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 195218.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Todd`s pants, Todd`s Shirt, Todd`s shoes and Todd`s bag just for color reference. AB fedora.

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:04 am

Gorak wrote:Started trying to do some action shots but too much family stuff going on that I didn`t get started till the sun was going down so while the lighting may not be the best, still looks kinda cool!
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 200429.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 201018.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 195711.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 195218.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WOWity-WOW-WOW!

Gorak, THOSE are some of my most favorite "showing off a jacket" shots I've EVER seen!

GREAT stuff! THANK YOU!

theman · Post by **theman** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:39 am

Awesome Gorak, looking even better every day!

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:56 pm

Check out what someone found and did for me.....
http://s11.postimage.org/52w7pehsz/gorak2.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is exactly what I need to start doing in my pics!

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:04 pm

What in the world were they watching Raiders on?

Kyle

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:15 am

I know I watch mine on Beta-Max like everyone else.
Why, did something new come along?

Oildale Jones · Post by **Oildale Jones** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:04 am

kwad wrote:I know I watch mine on Beta-Max like everyone else.
Why, did something new come along?

Yeah, there's this totally new digital format: LaserDisc!

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:33 am

Laserdisc...

The thing that impressed me the most when holding those is the feeling that were a Predator in the room, I'd be able to fight him off with a weapon very similar to his own...

They're made for death!!

Sadly, they were MEANT to be watched....=fail....Big time..

But, if the world ends, or the zombie apocalypse arrives, I know where I'm heading..My local hardware store has a load of second hand ones for dirt cheap...

Gorak, that jacket looks great mate...Really lovely skin and design...Very cool stuff...I dunno about the certificate, but that's a minor issue..The jacket itself is brilliant..

What else matters?

Gorak · Post by **Gorak** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:42 pm

A couple of sunlight and grain shots just to keep the fires on untill more show up...
Interesting how dark it looks sometimes in the sun..
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 092945.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Check out the arm...no water, no scrunching, no nothing...just wearing it!
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 093012.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In direct sun..
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 091956.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Same place in the sun..
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 092518.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and something I know you guys wonder about sometimes...
Look, Ma, no flying squirrels!
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 092400.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And I cannot get over how wonderfully thin the yoke is.. $\:D/$ $\:D/$
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/ ... 101243.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and did I mention how lightweight it was?

I LOVE THIS JACKET!

I wanna see more!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:22 pm

As much as you've got.

Please feel free to post a Link to an album with about a hundred or so photos and I'LL be one happy camper!

WConly · Post by **WConly** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:42 am

I have to admit that I have avoided posting on this thread and the jacket itself (honestly) for one reason only! This has to be one of the best looking true-looking 'Raider's' jackets that I have ever seen. I just wish I could see it in person! I love the jackets, which I posses, but this is something else again. Even with only photos to go on -- it just reaches out to me! Regarding the certificate -- I think it is kind of a cool thingy -- hokey, but cool. Just like many other things in all this 'Indy-weirdness' that makes us all enjoy this hobby so much! Superb jacket! W>

thePawn · Post by **thePawn** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:08 pm

I received mine on Friday. Best Raiders jacket that I own. Where is the jacket number imprinted?

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:47 pm

Hi thePawn,
Any chance we'll see a few shots of yours (and you wearing it)?

And if you don't mind saying, could you tell us what size you ordered?

CRB · Post by **CRB** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:22 am

Mine's on order too. Will post photos when it arrives.

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:30 pm

The discussion regarding Bill Kelso's use of Kredepops' artwork is over here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57696

Please refrain from discussion of that particular issue until that thread has been re-opened.

Best wishes,
Nebraska S.

indymassilia · Post by **indymassilia** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:33 pm

Hi everyone Indy friends!
I'm Indymassilia , a long time ago Indy fan and collector!
Very happy to learn about Cow members knowledge and various informations about Indy gear universe.I'm especially a leather jacket collector,and my Raiders quest jacket is now over with the Bill Kelso Relic Hunter in striated lamb i just received this morning!
Soon i will post some pictures in the forum but like Gorak i'm more than happy with this jacket,great leather,fitting ,craftsmanship,etc...
Bill Kelso is a outstanding leather company and the stupid story with the label and now the drawing(i'm a professional illustrator and i knew what i speak..) have take extravagant proportions,Bill Kelso try to do his best to recreate some Indy leather jackets and that's the more important!

Kredepops · Post by **Kredepops** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:30 am

I'm sorry but which part of what NES wrote above didn't you understand?

indymassilia wrote:the stupid story with the label and now the drawing

But congrats on your new jacket and on giving your artwork away for free, is all your art for free? How do you make a living as a prof. illlustrator then?
Let's keep this conversation about the jackets huh?
Nice drawings by the way.

indymassilia · Post by **indymassilia** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:47 am

Thanks Kredepops,you're a good artist to..
In our artist life ,it's always a risk to see our work deviate,now a Indy forum is not a court of justice ...if it was happened to me i will "Illico" send a email to Bill Kelso to clarify the situation,that's all!
This forum is not the place to speak and struggle about that,if you want we can compare our points of view,speak in in MP..we are professional artist but we are nor Leonard da Vinci,nor Frazetta,nor Hal Foster etc...and remember one very important thing,if someone must be offend it would be Mr Lucas and Spielberg who create the Artistic icon of this great adventurer:Indiana Jones!

Kredepops · Post by **Kredepops** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:47 am

I don't feel the need to discuss this with you here or in private. You obviously feel the need to defend Bill Kelso, why? I don't know, and I don't care. I'm emailing with them to sort this out in private. Obviously this was a 'mistake' made by a guy they contracted, but I won't apologize for making it public. The admins asked for this discussion to stop, so please stop.