Pics of Todd's Raider Fedora

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:17 am

The only problem is when i wear it i feel like I look like allen grant from jurassic park 3

youngjedi71 · Post by **youngjedi71** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:46 pm

Aragorn658 wrote:The only problem is when i wear it i feel like I look like allen grant from jurassic park 3

you wish $\:D/$

nicetrylaoche · Post by **nicetrylaoche** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:44 pm

MS Jones wrote: If you look closely, you will see a fair amount of taper in the downtowner, bringing it in line with a TOD hat with a taller crown.

That's exactly what I was thinking! Well done on this gem of a hat, good sir. It sounds like it's been pretty durable for you as well over the past year. How active have you been with it? How does it handle the elements and the humidity of the South?

Again, awesome hat!

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:33 pm

MS Jones · Post by **MS Jones** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:37 pm

nicetrylaoche wrote:
MS Jones wrote: If you look closely, you will see a fair amount of taper in the downtowner, bringing it in line with a TOD hat with a taller crown.
That's exactly what I was thinking! Well done on this gem of a hat, good sir. It sounds like it's been pretty durable for you as well over the past year. How active have you been with it? How does it handle the elements and the humidity of the South?

Again, awesome hat!

Thanks for the props. It is a daily driver, so it's been used pretty hard. Sweat and dirt. I'm a part time plumber, and the only place it's never been is under a house, although that would be a great way to age the hat. The sun, heat, rain and humidity have had no adverse effects that I can see. Also, the pinch is still thick and full, and I DO grab by the pinch. I have since I was seven, because that's the way that Indy did it. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase another, and I will as soon as I have the funds. Want the Raider bad. Cheers.

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Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:08 am

Does the bash on my raider look weird? Some advice would be great

MS Jones · Post by **MS Jones** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:18 am

Aragorn658 wrote:Does the bash on my raider look weird? Some advice would be great

It may be a little high in the front, or the pinch might need to come down a little lower. Actually it looks pretty good to me. BTW, you can resize photos with the edit feature in Photobucket. That way you don't have to use the link. An admin will correct me, but I believe that 800 x 600 is the Max size for display. Cheers.

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Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:46 am

Yeah I try to get the pinch in the front right but i cant get the "dents" or tear drops to crease and set in deeply, i keep watching penmans youtube videos but I cant get it i dunno I want like a cross between a temple bash and crystal skull style. I dunno i guess i'll just keep trying.

MS Jones · Post by **MS Jones** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:14 pm

Try some steam to set in the bash. Normally when felt will not take a dry bash it can be hit with steam and held in position until cool. This will usually set the bash. I'm sure that there is a tutorial for this somewhere. Perhaps someone more familiar with the site can point you to it. Cheers.

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Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:15 pm

cool thanks chief

jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:43 pm

distilled water in a spray bottle also works and has less of a chance of damaging the felt with heat. Or, you know, if it's raining, that works too.

Indiana Bugs · Post by **Indiana Bugs** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:01 pm

Water is safer than steam. The only disadvantage (but insignificant for me) is that a water bash needs hours to dry. I do my adjustments at night and the hats are ready to wear by morning.

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:00 pm

ok tired a new bash with water....i dunno if i got it right, i just dont want a raiders bash.

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jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:28 pm

"right" is all relative. If you're not trying to achieve a specific "SA" look, it's kinda hard to go wrong. The real question is do YOU like the way it's bashed?

That having been said, as a generic Indy bash, it looks like the front crease is a bit high. Generally, the height in the front (that is to say, the lowest part of the center dent) should come to about 4.5" (provided the hat is in the neighborhood of 5.5" open crown), e.g.:

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:45 pm

i want a tod soft pinch but i cant ever get it right it always seems way to high

jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:08 pm

Well, like I said the center dent should come down to around 4.5" in the front.

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:24 pm

for some reason i cant get the hat to work with me....arggh this is becoming a pain in the ###! Actually i had ordered the fedora shaped and that wasn't even done well. no offense but i didn't even plan to redo any of this myself. Not in a good mood.

Oh and how could i forget that my indy satchel color wasn't like the one shown on the website, but that's okay he has my money now anyway.

jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:05 pm

Honestly, I'm just not convinced that the blocks used on the Coyle's hats are really right for an Indy hat (although with the Raider, I think it's the brim dimensions that make it look off). Something about them always seemed 'off' to me. If you can't get the felt to hold a crease, that doesn't speak too highly as to to the quality of the felt either.

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:13 pm

Well I have a great amish hat then.

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:20 pm

Aragorn,

I think the first set of photos you posted up here looked rather decent... The hat looked good for the price to me...

And again, that's kind of the point...At the price Todd is selling for, the hats won't be the best felt, or best shaped out there...But they work well in the price range they are in...The Fed IV's would be the only close enough alternative, and (for me), a little better, but it depends on your skill shaping the hat yourself as well, which is another thing to worry about...

I certainly wouldn't give up on the hat you have now....It looked rather good before...Even though you don't really like the Raiders look, it suited you...Hat bashing takes a fair bit of patience to work the "right" bash (for you) into the thing...So go slower and do a little at a time perhaps?

It's certainly nowhere near "Amish" stage yet....

Regards...

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:27 pm

well sammy gave me a akubra adventurer and its 20 bucks more than todds and its holding the pinch and shape.

jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:38 pm

That's because Akubra's felt is just better.

The main thing "wrong" with your hat as it is (at least as it relates to an Indy hat) is that the center dent isn't coming down low enough.

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:45 pm

How do I make it lower

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:52 pm

You push the top bash into the felt deeper....And keep working it in until it "sticks"...It'll pull in the sids a touch, leading a little more "slope" to the outside angles, but you can balance that for personal taste..

I gotta agree on the Fed IV's felt being "proven"....I have two and they both molded easily (without water, although they've since been rained on heavily), and kept their shapes well...

The Todds I've handled, but not had in my possession long enough to comment on the ease of shaping it....It sounds like a lot more work than it needs to be, but again, at the price, you'll be hard pushed to find something markedly "better"...The Fed's are great...And the Explorador's look wonderful too (Slightly higher cost though)... But that's perhaps one maker in anywhere near the bracket Todds hats are in that uses decent felt....

Not especially easy to find it seems....In hats, as in clothing as well, handmade, higher costing goods are the best...The balance outside of those are between the best felt for the cash, and what you are looking for in the hat...

I still don't think your Todds looks bad....Although I can see it's not what you wanted...

Perhaps selling it and saving for something like a Fed IV Deluxe would solve the issue better than reworking the bash?

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:56 pm

My garrison temple will save the day

jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:04 pm

Aragorn658 wrote:How do I make it lower

Grab a ruler, put it at the brim break and push the felt down until it hits around 4.5", like the photo I posted above.

Simple really, I promise!

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:38 pm

Ok I'm on it. Sammy gave me some tips too ill get it right till I wear a hole in the crown.

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:40 pm

Go gently...Just work it in slowly...

Then, when you decide you hate it, you can still sell it on..

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:00 am

Its not that I hate it. I just didn't expect this much work like if I wasn't on this forum id be screwed. But thanks for the help guys I don't people to think I'm a dick.

Indiana Bugs · Post by **Indiana Bugs** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:01 pm

Au contraire, Pierre. I, for one, appreciate a relative novice wanting to get it as right as possible.

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:15 pm

Ok I tired again.

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Sammy · Post by **Sammy** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:24 pm

Aragorn658 wrote:Ok I tired again.

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Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:26 pm

Thank you sir.

Sammy · Post by **Sammy** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:30 pm

can you add some front views of the hat? Looks good from the side. What did you end up doing to get the bash to stay?

jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:41 pm

Looking a lot better!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:14 pm

Agreed. I think your "stick-to-it-ivness" is paying off.

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:41 pm

I don't know how it is for some but I find bashing fedoras quite hard, but I'm really picky about how it looks and what not. Plus I'm never happy with it for even feel as if I'm doing it right I'm always fiddling with it. Dunno it thats good or bad. But this is coming from the only member who lies the TOD bash style lol. j/k.

jlee562 · Post by **jlee562** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:57 pm

Creasing is easy, especially just a center dent with a pinch. Pop up diamond crease? That's harder. But it's fun. Creasing hats is one of my simple joys in life.

indyclone · Post by **indyclone** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:03 pm

the hat looks good aragorn!

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:12 pm

thanks guys. Im gettin there!

Sammy · Post by **Sammy** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:24 pm

Yeah bashing is one of those things that can be a rewarding activity but an obsessive one too. But that's part of the fun of this hobby! I wish I had the time, skills, tools, ability, and money to take it to the next level of blocking but I know myself, i would get consumed with it, do it a few times, then move on to my next hobby/obsession. So for now, I'll just stick with working with the hats I purchase.

Aragorn658 · Post by **Aragorn658** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:29 pm

sammy have you bashed your raiders yet?

kwh · Post by **kwh** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:49 pm

looking at todd's new raider hat, is making me want one. i have a todd's hj hat that i love.it's 2nd hand.and i've had it i think close to 2 years now.and been wearing it almost everyday.

keith

Sammy · Post by **Sammy** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:25 pm

Aragorn658 wrote:sammy have you bashed your raiders yet?

no I sent it back. Used the money towards my Penmans.

MARQ · Post by **MARQ** » Sun May 06, 2012 2:02 pm

Does someone have size 60cm Todd´s Raider in here,does the brim measure the same as the smaller ones? Pics!?!? Please!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:45 pm

Just wanted to post a few updated shots of my Todd's (Coyle's) RAIDER showing a couple of different angles.

fifthchamber · Post by **fifthchamber** » Sun May 06, 2012 9:25 pm

I think Mitch makes every hat look "damnably good"...So should be automatically ruled out of being allowed to show any hat here.

Only joking...

That, Sir...Looks just about the finest hat I've seen posted here...And it's people like yourself that make me far more sure that Todd's hat is a good one for the price..

Thanks for that!

>);-) (Highly peaked version for you this time)....

jlhampton · Post by **jlhampton** » Mon May 07, 2012 3:04 pm

Mitch,
Looks very nice! Did you shape this one yourself, 'cos the bash is awesome. I'm really liking the brim width on this one as well.

jlhampton

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:59 pm

Thanks, guys.

jlh:
I'd been giving this one it's share of wear over the last few weeks and about a week or so ago I got caught in a bit of drizzle (didn't soak the hat or anything, mind you, but it did get it good & damp) so I took the opportunity to curl up the sides a little as it dried. I've always been a sucker for a little bit of curl on the sides of the brim so I thought I'd try it out on this hat to see if it'd "stick" and so far they haven't uncurled all that much... and of course, having those sides lifted up a bit also affects the look of the brim width.
Anyway, glad you like the look.

Cheers!

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Tue May 08, 2012 11:24 am

Mitch, nice work on the brim! These are soft hats, and they will need some finesse-ing to get them just right (to you). Besides, the bash I put in them is usually knocked out during shipping.

-Todd