Todds whips quality

[wisconcinanderson]

I bought a jersy joe whip and am really not satisfied can anyone attest to Todds whips I want an 8 foot but I also want to have fun cracking it and practicing. I would love to get a high quality qhip but at the moment all I can afford is around 150.00 I read somewhere that after a few weeks use the todd whip core broke down as it was cork or tissue paper.? is this true. please help a guy out.

[AllanM]

You can probably get a good nylon one for that price. If you don't mind nylon.

[riku1914]

Todd's whips are good costume whip's , that's about it. I've heard that they may handle well, but they I have seen how they

break down very quickly. They are made with goat skin's, which I hear ( never used it so this is just word of mouth ) will scuff up

or tear easily when used.

I suggest you either one, get a nylon whip, or two, save up for a while and get a good leather whip, if you're wanting leather. If

all you were using it was for a costume I'd say go for it, but since you're wanting to crack that's the only options.

[Gorak]

For the price range your in, I would support the nylon whip options. I have recently procured afew and I wonder why I never did earlier. They are a great alternative to a full blown high quality EXPENSIVE leather whip. Now if you have the patience, use that $150 to start a whip savings fund. Remember that even after you have the amount you need, you will still have to wait for the whip maker to build your whip. Or scour around for some that are ready to ship . I always see great whips in the Bizzare for some awesome prices. Happy hunting

[indyclone]

i have had my 8 ft whip from todds for over a year and a half and it has not come apart at all.
todd did carry a whip that was a costume piece and did say that they wouldn't last long if you cracked them alot.
i bought the 8ft whip and it sounds well and cracks like a dream, i also maintaing it by oiling it up and taking care of it.
here is the link to my whip review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW4JQc-h ... AAAAAAASAA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and you can hear that crack of the whip in it , some people say i added a sound effect , but it is actually the whip, hope this helps

[riku1914]

i have had my 8 ft whip from todds for over a year and a half and it has not come apart at all.
todd did carry a whip that was a costume piece and did say that they wouldn't last long if you cracked them alot.
i bought the 8ft whip and it sounds well and cracks like a dream, i also maintaing it by oiling it up and taking care of it.
here is the link to my whip review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW4JQc-h ... AAAAAAASAA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and you can hear that crack of the whip in it , some people say i added a sound effect , but it is actually the whip, hope this helps

You got a good one, because I have heard several cases where the last foot of the whip came undone ( separated, not completely

undone of course ) and where the fall hitch came undone or broke off, along with many parts of the whip's breaking down.

I'd say if you want to crack, play it safe!

indyclone, have you handled "good" whip's, I'm not trying to say Todd's is bad, for what they are they're great, but I mean have you

handled any whip's specifically made for cracking? I always thought my first couple whip's cracked amazingly, until I used one that


was better, it may be the same if you haven't used a lot of other whips, just saying .

[indyclone]

i have had my 8 ft whip from todds for over a year and a half and it has not come apart at all.
todd did carry a whip that was a costume piece and did say that they wouldn't last long if you cracked them alot.
i bought the 8ft whip and it sounds well and cracks like a dream, i also maintaing it by oiling it up and taking care of it.
here is the link to my whip review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW4JQc-h ... AAAAAAASAA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and you can hear that crack of the whip in it , some people say i added a sound effect , but it is actually the whip, hope this helps

You got a good one, because I have heard several cases where the last foot of the whip came undone ( separated, not completely

undone of course ) and where the fall hitch came undone or broke off, along with many parts of the whip's breaking down.

I'd say if you want to crack, play it safe!

indyclone, have you handled "good" whip's, I'm not trying to say Todd's is bad, for what they are they're great, but I mean have you

handled any whip's specifically made for cracking? I always thought my first couple whip's cracked amazingly, until I used one that


was better, it may be the same if you haven't used a lot of other whips, just saying .

i grew up in texas and i had two whips when i was younger ,( i don't remeber what the pliats were) we had cows and my dad had me learn at a young age to use them to move the cows from pen to field. they were nice whips very tight , and when i moved to illinois in 80 i bought a nice whip at a garage sale that i used to death basically cause it fell apart.then years went by and then i bought two jerzjoes whips a 13 ft and a 10 ft , the ten ft i got to crack and it was good for retraining again and i have passed it to my teen son and he cracks better than i ever did. when i got my todds i asked for the one that would be used for cracking and that is the one i got . i like my whip and will most likely buy another one this spring. they have different colred ones and i think a mahagony one would be nice.

[riku1914]

When did you buy this whip? If I'm informed correctly, a while back they sold whip's that were of better quality, better for
cracking, but again, if I'm informed correctly, they don't sell these anymore.

Still, it seems they are fairly inconsistent with the whip's when it comes to how they hold up. If you're on a pretty tight

budget I say go with a nylon whip. If not, get a good roo whip!

[indyclone]

sorry for the late reply, i have to say it was in the month of july in 2010, i had a warm enough day to crack it abit and it held up well , i also bought a second hand todds 12 ft whip from a member, and i crack it today and it sounded awesome! i got a good deal on it i paid 85 bucks for it .i will post pics tomorrow of it and hopefully if it is warm enough this weekend i will get some video of me cracking it . it is a bit longer than i am used to , bcause im going from a 8 ft to 12 ft , so i hope i don't embarrass myself to much , lol

[Aragorn658]

Yeah Ive always wanted a KOTCS or TOD whip. Humm what plait are the todds whips? Does anyone know are they still holding up? If todd ever makes a KOTCS I'll go crazy.

[Puppetboy]

I have carried several whips over the years, so to let me jump in here to get everyone up to date.

Our current whips are all kangaroo. They are leather to the core. They are made for cracking. They are 12 plait. We can't keep them in stock.

The only problems we hear of are usually falls that break. We've recently had a few break at the hitches, but out of hundreds and hundreds, two or three is not bad. I think the problem might be that the falls were too heavy.

Of course, we always have a replacement/return policy if you're not happy with it.

-Todd

[Aragorn658]

Please tell me your going to keep using kangaroo

[davidd]

Our current whips are all kangaroo. They are leather to the core. They are made for cracking. They are 12 plait. We can't keep them in stock.
-Todd

I'm delighted to read the "all kangaroo" and "leather to the core" remarks. I just received my first-ever leather bullwhip in the mail two days ago, a 10-foot from Todd's Costumes. I've never held a "high end" cracking whip, so I have nothing to which to compare this one, but I'll say this: I was so impressed by the look and feel of this mahogany-tinted whip the moment I took it out of the box that within minutes I was online ordering a second one, a 12-footer, while they are still in stock. It's reassuring to now know a bit more about the materials used in the construction.

The plaits are tight, the surface is smooth and firm, and the whip has a decent heft to it. There is nothing "cheap" about it: no rough edges, no gaps in the braiding, and the transitions between handle, thong, and fall are smooth and well-finished. Todd's includes a small container of Pecards with which to oil it up and get cracking.

As to the cracking, I promptly tried a few swipes. I've never cracked a whip before, so the best I managed from my awkward half-dozen attempts was a cool whoosh sound, by which point I realized that the recommendation for using eye protection is probably a good idea. I'll be picking up a pair of plastic safety goggles and watching a few tutorial videos before I resume cracking practice!

Ordering the 12-footer -- even more challenging than a 10-foot to crack, I know -- was based on how cool the whip looks when coiled. I think a 12-foot mahogany Todd's whip will make an awesome "hip-hanger" for costuming purposes!

After reading numerous whip reviews on this forum and looking at what seemed like hundreds of whip photos and descriptions on eBay, I was fairly confident that by ordering from Todd's I would receive a decent costume whip that would be at least adequate for beginning cracking. I'll admit to having a bit of trepidation up until it arrived. I knew I wasn't ordering a thousand-dollar custom bullwhip; I was hoping I wouldn't receive a ten-dollar south-of-the-border Party City pretend whip.

Todd's current -- and now I can say with confidence, "12-plait kangaroo hide leather-core cracking whip" -- definitely far exceeded my expectations.

I posted a couple of photos in the "Todd's Costume Whip Colors" discussion: http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?p=796562#p796562" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[riku1914]

Our current whips are all kangaroo. They are leather to the core. They are made for cracking. They are 12 plait. We can't keep them in stock.
-Todd

I'm delighted to read the "all kangaroo" and "leather to the core" remarks. I just received my first-ever leather bullwhip in the mail two days ago, a 10-foot from Todd's Costumes. I've never held a "high end" cracking whip, so I have nothing to which to compare this one, but I'll say this: I was so impressed by the look and feel of this mahogany-tinted whip the moment I took it out of the box that within minutes I was online ordering a second one, a 12-footer, while they are still in stock. It's reassuring to now know a bit more about the materials used in the construction.

The plaits are tight, the surface is smooth and firm, and the whip has a decent heft to it. There is nothing "cheap" about it: no rough edges, no gaps in the braiding, and the transitions between handle, thong, and fall are smooth and well-finished. Todd's includes a small container of Pecards with which to oil it up and get cracking.

As to the cracking, I promptly tried a few swipes. I've never cracked a whip before, so the best I managed from my awkward half-dozen attempts was a cool whoosh sound, by which point I realized that the recommendation for using eye protection is probably a good idea. I'll be picking up a pair of plastic safety goggles and watching a few tutorial videos before I resume cracking practice!

Ordering the 12-footer -- even more challenging than a 10-foot to crack, I know -- was based on how cool the whip looks when coiled. I think a 12-foot mahogany Todd's whip will make an awesome "hip-hanger" for costuming purposes!

After reading numerous whip reviews on this forum and looking at what seemed like hundreds of whip photos and descriptions on eBay, I was fairly confident that by ordering from Todd's I would receive a decent costume whip that would be at least adequate for beginning cracking. I'll admit to having a bit of trepidation up until it arrived. I knew I wasn't ordering a thousand-dollar custom bullwhip; I was hoping I wouldn't receive a ten-dollar south-of-the-border Party City pretend whip.

Todd's current -- and now I can say with confidence, "12-plait kangaroo hide leather-core cracking whip" -- definitely far exceeded my expectations.

I posted a couple of photos in the "Todd's Costume Whip Colors" discussion: http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?p=796562#p796562" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The only 12 plait whips that go over $1000 are the "david morgan" whips, and they aren't worth that. They are just using
the david morgan name to make a TON of money on them. I can understand charging more than "normal" whips, but as much

as they do...

Anyway, you won't find a $1000 12 plait whip unless it's like, 20 feet long or more!

[davidd]

The only 12 plait whips that go over $1000 are the "david morgan" whips, and they aren't worth that....

Anyway, you won't find a $1000 12 plait whip unless it's like, 20 feet long or more!

The "I wasn't ordering a thousand-dollar custom bullwhip" comment was a slight exaggeration for "dramatic effect."

Then again, a 10-foot Strain or MidWest currently retails for upwards of $600; a Strain 12-foot is $750. A 12-plait David Morgan 10-foot whip will set you back $955.00 according to the current Morgan web site:

http://www.davidmorgan.com/product_info ... cts_id=409" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To my pocketbook, anything over $700 is close enough to round up to a thousand! The Morgan 12-foot... and yes, it's only a 12-plait, is $1,115.00.

Earlier in this topic you asked,

indyclone, have you handled "good" whips, I'm not trying to say Todd's is bad, for what they are they're great, but I mean have you
handled any whip's specifically made for cracking? I always thought my first couple whip's cracked amazingly, until I used one that
was better, it may be the same if you haven't used a lot of other whips, just saying.

I can't answer for indyclone, but as I mentioned in my post, I personally have not handled "good" whips. From what I've read on this forum and other sources, however, when people talk about "good" whips, they consistently reference Morgan, Strain, and MidWest, all of which retail between $500 to over $1000 for 12-plait 10- to 12-foot whips. Thus, I feel my "ballpark figure" of "ordering a thousand-dollar custom bullwhip" stands as reasonably accurate.

This is the first time I've seen Morgan whips described as "not worth" the price, by the way. I'll be curious to see if that observation generates any reactions!

One additional advantage of the "reasonably decent if not actually 'good' (depending on your definition)'" Todd's whips: if the whip is in stock, you'll have it in hand as quickly as the post office can get it to you, as opposed to a wait time ranging from weeks to months from most of the "good" whip makers.

[riku1914]

The only 12 plait whips that go over $1000 are the "david morgan" whips, and they aren't worth that....

Anyway, you won't find a $1000 12 plait whip unless it's like, 20 feet long or more!

The "I wasn't ordering a thousand-dollar custom bullwhip" comment was a slight exaggeration for "dramatic effect."

Then again, a 10-foot Strain or MidWest currently retails for upwards of $600; a Strain 12-foot is $750. A 12-plait David Morgan 10-foot whip will set you back $955.00 according to the current Morgan web site:

http://www.davidmorgan.com/product_info ... cts_id=409" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To my pocketbook, anything over $700 is close enough to round up to a thousand! The Morgan 12-foot... and yes, it's only a 12-plait, is $1,115.00.

Earlier in this topic you asked,

indyclone, have you handled "good" whips, I'm not trying to say Todd's is bad, for what they are they're great, but I mean have you
handled any whip's specifically made for cracking? I always thought my first couple whip's cracked amazingly, until I used one that
was better, it may be the same if you haven't used a lot of other whips, just saying.

I can't answer for indyclone, but as I mentioned in my post, I personally have not handled "good" whips. From what I've read on this forum and other sources, however, when people talk about "good" whips, they consistently reference Morgan, Strain, and MidWest, all of which retail between $500 to over $1000 for 12-plait 10- to 12-foot whips. Thus, I feel my "ballpark figure" of "ordering a thousand-dollar custom bullwhip" stands as reasonably accurate.

This is the first time I've seen Morgan whips described as "not worth" the price, by the way. I'll be curious to see if that observation generates any reactions!

One additional advantage of the "reasonably decent if not actually 'good' (depending on your definition)'" Todd's whips: if the whip is in stock, you'll have it in hand as quickly as the post office can get it to you, as opposed to a wait time ranging from weeks to months from most of the "good" whip makers.

The morgan whips are just any other bullwhip, they just have the david morgan name on them. They aren't even made by

david morgan! Quite honestly, Joe Strain seems to make a better whip than what comes out of that shop, for a fraction of

the price. They're good whips, but definitely not worth what they charge for them ( still talking about the "david morgan" whips).

They may be worth what they charge if david still in fact made them, but he doesn't!

[IndianaBravo]

Well 150 bux for a 12 foot roo hide, I am in. Even if it is just to tool around with like I did with my Todds 8 footer which was alot of fun. If I get tired of it, doubtful, I can always find a whip buddy round here who will be glad to take it off my hands.
Now to wait for package day!!


Cheers

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