Stock whip keepers

[Holmes]

How big should the loop on stockwhip handle and the loop on the thong be. I'm wantin to make a nylon stock whip and I have no idea what size the keeper loops need to be to make a good transition, so if anyone can measure thiers or if any whipmaker has any advice it would be greatly apreciated.

Thanks

[riku1914]

You want it to be tight, so it depends on the thong and handle thickness.

[tomek9210]

I make my keepers tight, with length of the loop about 1 inch, I think.

[jeanfifi]

yeap, mine are about 1 inch, 1 inch and a half.

JP

[riku1914]

Use this to see up close to see the stock whip keepers and how they should fit into each other:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE48mlpD ... ideo_title

[Holmes]

Thanks for the replies and the advice. I think I got an idea of what I'm gonna do now. Riku, thanks for the video post bernie's videos are always great.

[deadringer]

Hi Holmes,

Stock whip keeper , lenght will depend on width, with the hinging being on the handle keeper with little or no hinge on the thong . It should be loose enough that the handle keeper be able to hinge in any direction. you dont want it too tight.

[Holmes]

Hi Holmes,

Stock whip keeper , lenght will depend on width, with the hinging being on the handle keeper with little or no hinge on the thong . It should be loose enough that the handle keeper be able to hinge in any direction. you dont want it too tight.

Thanks for the info. Do you mean that the handle keeper should be slightly bigger than the one on the thong?

[bernie47]

Hi Holmes,

Stock whip keeper , lenght will depend on width, with the hinging being on the handle keeper with little or no hinge on the thong . It should be loose enough that the handle keeper be able to hinge in any direction. you dont want it too tight.

Have to disagree with you there. I make mine as tight as possible to eliminate any slop.

[riku1914]

Hi Holmes,

Stock whip keeper , lenght will depend on width, with the hinging being on the handle keeper with little or no hinge on the thong . It should be loose enough that the handle keeper be able to hinge in any direction. you dont want it too tight.

Have to disagree with you there. I make mine as tight as possible to eliminate any slop.

That makes sense to me, you want it to be very tight to begin with, so that when it's used and it stretches ( cuz no matter how

much you stretch it beforehand, you know it will some when you use it ) it won't get extremely floppy after everything is broken

in.

[deadringer]

the keeper join MUST have north, south , east , west movement to be able to function correctly

[Holmes]

Thanks for the replys everyone! I must say though, I'm not really sure what route to take here because we seem to have conflicting opinions. If the reason for a tight keeper is so the stretch won't matter than I won't have to worry about it because (do to cost) the only thing I can work with is nylon paracord. I know that both Bernie and Deadringer are both known for putting out top of the line work so I'm probably just gonna try both eventually and see what works.

[riku1914]

Thanks for the replys everyone! I must say though, I'm not really sure what route to take here because we seem to have conflicting opinions. If the reason for a tight keeper is so the stretch won't matter than I won't have to worry about it because (do to cost) the only thing I can work with is nylon paracord. I know that both Bernie and Deadringer are both known for putting out top of the line work so I'm probably just gonna try both eventually and see what works.

Nylon stretches you know. Not as much as leather however. To test this, take a string of paracord, say 10 ft. ( + - ) long, tie

it on a sturdy pole or something, then pull it taut ( not tight, just enough to straighten it ) . Then pull it tight, you will notice

it stretch. I've done this before many times with paracord, it definitely does stretch it.

[Holmes]

True but the stretch is pretty minimal once its all plaited. Of course that is with a round braid, I suppose I should experiment with a flat braid like would be on the keeper to see how much stretch is left in it.... You've proven a good point

[bernie47]

Thanks for the replys everyone! I must say though, I'm not really sure what route to take here because we seem to have conflicting opinions. If the reason for a tight keeper is so the stretch won't matter than I won't have to worry about it because (do to cost) the only thing I can work with is nylon paracord. I know that both Bernie and Deadringer are both known for putting out top of the line work so I'm probably just gonna try both eventually and see what works.

That would be the way to go Holmes, do a little experimenting and see what works best for you. I don't think there is a "MUST" in anything we do as far as plaiting and whip making is concerned otherwise I could say you "MUST" make your bull whips with four plaited bellies which a I know a lot of whip makers disagree with but it works for me.

[riku1914]

Thanks for the replys everyone! I must say though, I'm not really sure what route to take here because we seem to have conflicting opinions. If the reason for a tight keeper is so the stretch won't matter than I won't have to worry about it because (do to cost) the only thing I can work with is nylon paracord. I know that both Bernie and Deadringer are both known for putting out top of the line work so I'm probably just gonna try both eventually and see what works.

That would be the way to go Holmes, do a little experimenting and see what works best for you. I don't think there is a "MUST" in anything we do as far as plaiting and whip making is concerned otherwise I could say you "MUST" make your bull whips with four plaited bellies which a I know a lot of whip makers disagree with but it works for me.

Good point, different things work for different people, that's a fact here, no disputing it. It's not like ( in this case ) artificial sinew

costs a lot ( binding on the keeper to the handle ) So make the keeper long at first, and shorten it little by little, so as not to

waste nylon, until you find what works well.

[Holmes]

Thanks for the replys everyone! I must say though, I'm not really sure what route to take here because we seem to have conflicting opinions. If the reason for a tight keeper is so the stretch won't matter than I won't have to worry about it because (do to cost) the only thing I can work with is nylon paracord. I know that both Bernie and Deadringer are both known for putting out top of the line work so I'm probably just gonna try both eventually and see what works.

That would be the way to go Holmes, do a little experimenting and see what works best for you. I don't think there is a "MUST" in anything we do as far as plaiting and whip making is concerned otherwise I could say you "MUST" make your bull whips with four plaited bellies which a I know a lot of whip makers disagree with but it works for me.

Good point, different things work for different people, that's a fact here, no disputing it. It's not like ( in this case ) artificial sinew

costs a lot ( binding on the keeper to the handle ) So make the keeper long at first, and shorten it little by little, so as not to

waste nylon, until you find what works well.

If one things for sure its that every whipmaker has their own way of doin' things. I plan on doin exactly what Riku described and tryin it different ways until I find somethin that works for me. Thanks again for the replies.

[riku1914]

Let us know what works, I'm always glad to hear about this stuff so I can have more ideas to experiment with