New nylon target whip
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- kwad
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New nylon target whip
Just finished this one.
"Acid Dark Brown" para-cord, 7 foot with a 12" handle.
BB loaded core with a 6mm thick, hardened steel rod for the handle foundation (made out of the cleaning rod from my Mosin Nagant rifle).
16plt. overlay with a 4plt. point.
The accent ring is made out of polished copper (found in the plumbing section of HomeDepot).
Latigo fall was purchased from midwest whips.
I really took my time on this one, and I think it paid off.
One thing I did that I think really helped the performance of the whip was lining up the seams from the bellies and overlay (I'd turn it 180 degrees between plaiting each layer). It rolls out smoothly and falls straight.
I've never had a whip with a handle longer than 8 or 9 inches.
Man, what a difference! It took a few minutes to get used to, but now I love it!
It takes little effort to crack and I have much greater control over the thong when it is in motion.
I'd love to have one with similar dimensions made out of leather.
"Acid Dark Brown" para-cord, 7 foot with a 12" handle.
BB loaded core with a 6mm thick, hardened steel rod for the handle foundation (made out of the cleaning rod from my Mosin Nagant rifle).
16plt. overlay with a 4plt. point.
The accent ring is made out of polished copper (found in the plumbing section of HomeDepot).
Latigo fall was purchased from midwest whips.
I really took my time on this one, and I think it paid off.
One thing I did that I think really helped the performance of the whip was lining up the seams from the bellies and overlay (I'd turn it 180 degrees between plaiting each layer). It rolls out smoothly and falls straight.
I've never had a whip with a handle longer than 8 or 9 inches.
Man, what a difference! It took a few minutes to get used to, but now I love it!
It takes little effort to crack and I have much greater control over the thong when it is in motion.
I'd love to have one with similar dimensions made out of leather.
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Re: New nylon target whip
Looks good. I like the longer handle and thats a great shape for the turks head. IMO i am not a fan of braiding down to a 4 plait. It shortens the life of the nylon greatly. I always stop at a 6 plait. You also do have that awkward transition bump. Over all it looks like an excellent whip. Keep up the good work.
~Luke
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~Luke
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Re: New nylon target whip
Thanks DSM,
Depending on the whip, I will either use a 4 or 6 strand point. It just depends on how fine or thick I want the point to be.
I wanted a finer point on this whip, so I went with 4 strands.
Not too worried about it breaking there. It is plaited tightly, plus, I extend the core strand all the way up and include it in the fall hitch (it is the lighter colored strand in the middle of the hitch).
I'm not sure what transition bump you are referring too?
If you mean the bump right before the fall hitch, that is actually an extra half hitch knot.
After tying the hitch, the last strand was pulled back through the eye of the fall and tied into a half hitch.
Depending on the whip, I will either use a 4 or 6 strand point. It just depends on how fine or thick I want the point to be.
I wanted a finer point on this whip, so I went with 4 strands.
Not too worried about it breaking there. It is plaited tightly, plus, I extend the core strand all the way up and include it in the fall hitch (it is the lighter colored strand in the middle of the hitch).
I'm not sure what transition bump you are referring too?
If you mean the bump right before the fall hitch, that is actually an extra half hitch knot.
After tying the hitch, the last strand was pulled back through the eye of the fall and tied into a half hitch.
Re: New nylon target whip
Excellent looking whip Kwad. I like the look of a whip with the accent ring.
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Re: New nylon target whip
Thanks Rawvoodoo!
I love the look of the Zorro/Alex Green style whips, so I thought I'd give one a try.
I would have really liked to have a silver colored ring, but, I had to use what I could find.
Luckily, my dad-in-law just picked up a lathe so, I'm going to try machining some more decorative ferruls out of aluminum tubing next time I'm up there.
I love the look of the Zorro/Alex Green style whips, so I thought I'd give one a try.
I would have really liked to have a silver colored ring, but, I had to use what I could find.
Luckily, my dad-in-law just picked up a lathe so, I'm going to try machining some more decorative ferruls out of aluminum tubing next time I'm up there.
Re: New nylon target whip
I wonder how hard it would be to find a ring like that made from Damascus
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Re: New nylon target whip
"Damascus" steel would look really cool.
Unfortunately, having the steel billets forged, then having them machined into the desired shape would be awfully expensive.
I've seen wedding band style rings made of Damascus go for $200 and up.
I couldn't imagine what a 1" I.D. by 1" long tube of it would cost!
Unfortunately, having the steel billets forged, then having them machined into the desired shape would be awfully expensive.
I've seen wedding band style rings made of Damascus go for $200 and up.
I couldn't imagine what a 1" I.D. by 1" long tube of it would cost!
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Re: New nylon target whip
I was just saying on most nylon whips I have bought/used when the maker drops from a 6 plait to a 4 plait, the transition is awkward and leaves a strange bump. It comes from when you drop your strands and braid over them. Just what I have noticed. But hey, if you can get it to work well than excellentkwad wrote: I'm not sure what transition bump you are referring too?
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Re: New nylon target whip
Oh, I see what your talking about.
I find that if I drop one strand at a time, and cut off the dropped strands at the right time, It minimizes the bump near the point.
I find that if I drop one strand at a time, and cut off the dropped strands at the right time, It minimizes the bump near the point.
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Re: New nylon target whip
on your handle diamond plait, did you pull 2 strands at once?
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Re: New nylon target whip
Hi Riku,
You are correct.
The pattern I used for the handle section is Under 2, Over 2, pulling two strands at once.
You are correct.
The pattern I used for the handle section is Under 2, Over 2, pulling two strands at once.
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Re: New nylon target whip
Very nice looking whip!! Love the copper accent piece!
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Re: New nylon target whip
Just noticed this Kwad, outstanding
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Re: New nylon target whip
Thanks guys!
This whip is quickly becoming my favorite to crack.
It handles sooo differently from my short handled, Indy style whips (but, in a very good way!)
Yesterday I was finally able to pull off a nice, evenly timed volley (10 cracks in a row) without feeling like I was loosing control.
After I get my whip from Graeme, I think I'm done with 8" handles for a while.
This whip is quickly becoming my favorite to crack.
It handles sooo differently from my short handled, Indy style whips (but, in a very good way!)
Yesterday I was finally able to pull off a nice, evenly timed volley (10 cracks in a row) without feeling like I was loosing control.
After I get my whip from Graeme, I think I'm done with 8" handles for a while.
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Re: New nylon target whip
Hey Kwad, I am looking for a tutorial on how to make one of these. Did you use a book, online tutorial or something. Any info you have would be appreciated.
Thanks
Justin
Thanks
Justin
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sZq0LmV ... QL&index=1Mustafa wrote:Hey Kwad, I am looking for a tutorial on how to make one of these. Did you use a book, online tutorial or something. Any info you have would be appreciated.
Thanks
Justin
i used bernie's youtube tutorial, and his tutorial on his website, he mentions his website during his videos so it shouldn't be difficult to find.
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Re: New nylon target whip
Hey Riku, I found Bernie's website but could not find any reference to a whipbuilding tutorial.
Great video though!!
Justin
Great video though!!
Justin
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Re: New nylon target whip
Hi Justin,
I made my first whip using a snake whip tutorial available from http://www.whip-basics.de" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and by watching Bernie's videos on youtube.
After that, it was much trial and error (that's where the real learnin' is).
Here's the tutorial that got me started;
Part 1: http://www.whip-basics.de/images/galler ... part_1.pdf
Part 2: http://www.whip-basics.de/images/galler ... part_2.pdf
I'm not a fan of the electrical tape bolsters (I prefer to use either artificial sinew or the discarded threads from the paracord as binding and to help build the taper), however, it does give you the general idea.
If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM.
I made my first whip using a snake whip tutorial available from http://www.whip-basics.de" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and by watching Bernie's videos on youtube.
After that, it was much trial and error (that's where the real learnin' is).
Here's the tutorial that got me started;
Part 1: http://www.whip-basics.de/images/galler ... part_1.pdf
Part 2: http://www.whip-basics.de/images/galler ... part_2.pdf
I'm not a fan of the electrical tape bolsters (I prefer to use either artificial sinew or the discarded threads from the paracord as binding and to help build the taper), however, it does give you the general idea.
If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM.
Re: New nylon target whip
The Paul Stenhouse sticky up at the top of this forum is invaluble for figuring out what lengths your strands and bellys should be.
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Re: New nylon target whip
RV,
I totally forgot about Paul's tutorial!
ALOT of good info up there. It is specifically for leather whips, but, strand lengths are the same for nylon.
Another thing I want to add to anyone wanting to get into whip making is, keep a journal!
Write down ALL of your info as you go (strand lenghts, binding lengths, strand drop locations....etc)
Over time, it will help you remember the things you did right (and help you avoid repeating the things you did wrong!)
I totally forgot about Paul's tutorial!
ALOT of good info up there. It is specifically for leather whips, but, strand lengths are the same for nylon.
Another thing I want to add to anyone wanting to get into whip making is, keep a journal!
Write down ALL of your info as you go (strand lenghts, binding lengths, strand drop locations....etc)
Over time, it will help you remember the things you did right (and help you avoid repeating the things you did wrong!)
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Re: New nylon target whip
well, here is where he shows the layers ( helpful when not doing shot loaded core, just for some visual aids) :Mustafa wrote:Hey Riku, I found Bernie's website but could not find any reference to a whipbuilding tutorial.
Great video though!!
Justin
http://www.em-brand-whips.com/insidebull.htm
and here is the actual tutorial:
http://www.em-brand-whips.com/bulltutorial.htm