A pocket detail to discuss.

[Weston]

I've been wondering about this for a long time, but, can the piping at the top of the pocket flap possibly be an identifying mark for jackets used in Raiders?

My old Wested jacket has the very thin piping at the top of the pocket. There is no difference in thickness of piping anywhere on the pocket. All the Wested's I ever saw looked like this until sometime after the year 2000.


My Wings Legend jacket. It has that thick piping at the top, a feature we see in most of the movie jackets, and as far as I know all Indy jackets now available.


Here's a very fuzzy screen grab, but hopefully clear enough to see the thin, Wested style piping across the top of the left pocket.


And here it is on the right side, an even more lousy screen grab.


Does anyone see what I'm seeing? I've never been a screen-grab guy, so I hope you'll forgive this one time, but it's the only way I could show that I've seen this Wested feature at least one time in the movie. Thoughts?

Weston

[Holt]

I to have been wondering about this detail weston and past summer 2010 I did some heavy work on this subjcet and all the jacket shown on film looks to have a thicker flap stitch piping. screen grabs can be missleading and especially with such a small detail. just my take on it.

[Tremolo]

From looking at some screencaps and stills I would also say that the thicker piping is the correct one. Even on the two you posted I can see the thicker piping, I guess the older style Wested piping would be very hard to see on film.

[Hollowpond]

Makes you wonder if the westeds were in the movie, why the piping was narrow on the later jackets.
Having said that, the piping is wide on my 2003 wested...

[Weston]

I to have been wondering about this detail weston and past summer 2010 I did some heavy work on this subjcet and all the jacket shown on film looks to have a thicker flap stitch piping. screen grabs can be missleading and especially with such a small detail. just my take on it.

Man, that's for sure! It's funny, because it's easier to see, at least to me, if you actually watch the scene. The still obsures it somehow and it is a tricky detail to catch. I guess it caught my eye because all I ever saw was the thick piping in the movie, and consequently the narrow piping drove me nuts for years. So, when I watched the movie the other day I could have sworn I was seeing the old Wested style, I was intrigued.

If anyone gets a chance to pop the DVD into their computer or HDTV, take a look at the scene. I'm curious to know if anyone else will see it, or if I'm chasing leprechauns again.

Weston

[Indydawg]

Well...as long as you end up with the pot of gold?!

[Weston]

Well...as long as you end up with the pot of gold?!

More likely I'll end up with a bright green jacket about 20 sizes too small.



But, at least I would finally be certified as SA!

Weston

[Texan Scott]

Here is one still photo in Hawaii of the piped pockets:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2817038592/tt0082971" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

Also note the narrow collar stand and the way the collar lays flat, Maboot.

The G&B jacket, which is a reproduction of TR's stunt jacket also features piped pockets.

[Kubrik]

I think the Legend and the TN Raiders have got the flaps dead on.

[Texan Scott]

...Go Legend!...Go Legend!....

[CM]

I think the Legend and the TN Raiders have got the flaps dead on.

I concur. My Wested LC from about 2002 hs no piping.

Interestingly the LC movie jacket does not appear to have piping either. This rarely comes up.

[St. Dumas]

There was indeed piping on the LC pockets:

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... /mo_03.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ns/c19.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/221.jpg

http://www.kennydrew.com/Indylounge/las ... jacket.htm

[CM]

Sorry Man. I don't see any piping there in those shots. Show me a close up and I'll believe you.

[Holt]

It's a very ineresting detail to discuss. I personally like this look alot. would be cool to see if we could find any jackets on film with this detail but I doubt it. on all three main jackets ford wears I do not see this detail. stunt jackets may have this stitch detail. weston, you are lucky to have a jacket from that year. I have been looking for one for 3 years now.

[St. Dumas]

I'm only referring to the horizontal stitch at the top of the flap. The piping in those LC photos appear to be about as thick as Wested's current offerings. Take a look at those LC photos again. The piping at the top of the flap us nowhere near as pencil-thin that Wested's year 2000 era pockets had, like as in Weston's first photo. Trust me, I have two of them. They look nothing like the piping in the LC photos.

[Hollowpond]

Yeah, totally not a fan of the pipeless pocket flaps.

[CM]

I'm only referring to the horizontal stitch at the top of the flap. The piping in those LC photos appear to be about as thick as Wested's current offerings. Take a look at those LC photos again. The piping at the top of the flap us nowhere near as pencil-thin that Wested's year 2000 era pockets had, like as in Weston's first photo. Trust me, I have two of them. They look nothing like the piping in the LC photos.

Nope. I still need to see a clear close up. My Wested like Weston's above has no piping. In some photos it looks like it does have piping. Simply an optical illusion created by the seam.

There is a close up photo of the LC with Lucas, Spielberg and Ford standing close together in a Last Cursade a promo shoot. You can see the flap very clearly in the shot. That jacket has no piping.

[St. Dumas]

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u257 ... ocket2.jpg

The piping stands out in some scenes. Bear in mind there was more than a single film jacket, and there are some shots where piping does not appear visible. That's either because there was no piping on that particular jacket, or it just doesn't show up in the shot. And that old optical illusion explanation doesn't hold water when you've looked at enough piped pocket flaps.

SD

[orb]

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There is a close up photo of the LC with Lucas, Spielberg and Ford standing close together in a Last Cursade a promo shoot. You can see the flap very clearly in the shot. That jacket has no piping.

Show photo?

[CM]

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u257 ... ocket2.jpg

The piping stands out in some scenes. Bear in mind there was more than a single film jacket, and there are some shots where piping does not appear visible. That's either because there was no piping on that particular jacket, or it just doesn't show up in the shot. And that old optical illusion explanation doesn't hold water when you've looked at enough piped pocket flaps.

SD

Sorry man. I need to see an in focus close up. That shot is unclear. I've been looking at pocket photos for as many years as anyone else .

Show me one decent photo as discussed and I'll happily agree that some of the LC jackets may have had piping.

Orb - the photo I mentioned needs to go up here. I can't do this. I was hoping someone else would.

[CM]

I just found the photo it's on the Fortune and Glory site on a thread Weston started with the same name as this one.

The photo shows a close up of how the flap seam and and a well-defined abraded line of sandpaper distressing looks like piping form a distance but is not. It's not as clear as some photos I've seen of this shot but it's clear enough.

Incidentally, I would love to find a shot of the LC jacket with piping.

[Holt]

LC jacket had no piping. at least not on the hero 1 and hero 2. also know as the smithsonian jacket.

[CM]

LC jacket had no piping. at least not on the hero 1 and hero 2. also know as the smithsonian jacket.

Thanks Holt. I thought that too. But you can see in some shots how the wear lines and shading caused by sandpapering create a "pipish "look.

[Holt]

yep. I agree.

[St. Dumas]

Good pic, and that's probably the one used in half those shots. That said, I still think the piping is thicker than the top photo in the first post. I don't think that distressing of a 2 mm seam would make it look that thick.

[CM]

Good pic, and that's probably the one used in half those shots. That said, I still think the piping is thicker than the top photo in the first post. I don't think that distressing of a 2 mm seam would make it look that thick.

I know what you mean. But what is see is distressing under the seam, about 4 or 5 millimetres away from it, leaving a "grove" which is about the same width as my G&B piping.

[St. Dumas]

Could very well be, CM.

[CM]

Could very well be, CM.

This has been a very interesting discussion and I think a good example of how we can all talk in a respectful manner. I was expecting some more "robust" debate about this issue. I would love to get some professional shots of the Smithsonian jacket. Although there may already be some of those on this site.

[St. Dumas]

A piped pocket flap is the last thing I'd be willing to argue over.