ToD Zip size

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:43 am

What size zip should a Temple of Doom jacket have?

ZOLTAR

Indiana Dymond · Post by **Indiana Dymond** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:34 am

8 gauge aluminium. Much more chunky than the Raiders zip.

CM · Post by CM » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:18 pm

Aluminium? I thought it was nickel.

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:46 am

CM wrote:Aluminium? I thought it was nickel.

ToD Aluminum teeths

afalzon · Post by **afalzon** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:44 am

Having used zippers of all sizes, could say that TOD zipper looks more like a 10 gauge rather than 8.
8 is slightly bigger than 5 that can't be noticed from a distance.

I read somewhere that the original Raiders jacket was aluminum, not nickel. Right or wrong?

(Nice Bud Spencer photo you have there, can we see it bigger please?)

afalzon · Post by **afalzon** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:29 am

Wested used aluminum zips. They were stunt jackets. The hero jackets (2) used nickel.

Why would they use aluminum in the stunt and nickel in the hero?
Both aluminum and nickel are priced same....

The stunt jacket that someone here has examined had aluminum zip? What about the jacket given to Mr Nowak?

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:23 pm

afalzon wrote:Having used zippers of all sizes, could say that TOD zipper looks more like a 10 gauge rather than 8.
8 is slightly bigger than 5 that can't be noticed from a distance.

I have to agree. The pics I've seen of one of the screen used ToD jackets had a VERY chunky zipper and a HUGE pull. It looked to be much larger than the #8 zippers I've had on some of my own jackets (Indy or otherwise).

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:32 pm

Yes, back on topic.

A No5 Nickel YKK zipper next to a big (dunno if it is a 8 or a 10) aluminium alloy zipper. My Raiders next to my ToD.

CM · Post by CM » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:43 pm

Kt - are you saying the ToD that Peter had came with an aluminium zip?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:03 pm

I'm no metallurgist, the NH came with a white alloy zipper that is an excellent match to that one.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:48 pm

The jacket as documented whilst in Noel's possession.

http://www.jones-jr.com/cost_noel_howard.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

afalzon · Post by **afalzon** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:31 am

Fyi the M-65 field jackets have 10 gauge zippers. If you have one, compare with that to see if it's the same.

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:45 am

Thanks Guys, just wanted an opinion on what size looks good on a repro, don't want to start anymore, who, what, where, when aggro.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:20 am

Hey. You're in the jacket section...what did you THINK was going to happen?

Regard! Michaelson

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:49 am

Michaelson wrote:Hey. You're in the jacket section...what did you THINK was going to happen?

Regard! Michaelson

ThatManFromRio · Post by **ThatManFromRio** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:47 am

Michaelson wrote:Hey. You're in the jacket section...what did you THINK was going to happen?

Regard! Michaelson

TMFR

Flash Gordon · Post by **Flash Gordon** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:23 am

_ wrote: Both the Coopers and the Westeds were based on a cloth mock-up that Deb Nadoolman had made by Western Costumes that she brought with her from LA to the UK. That cloth mock-up was used on screen in the Hovitos chase scene because the cloth held the fullers earth better than the leather. Both Spielberg and Ford confirmed this to multiple sources (including me) independently.

Does anyone know what happened to the cloth mock-up, if it still exists?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:45 am

_ wrote:White metal? You mean - like zinc? That's what a nickel zip's teeth are made from. A lot like aluminum but harder.

That slightly matt looking white metal that older biker jacket zips are made out of. Not the bright shiny nickel plate.

Perhaps it's another language mismatch.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:55 am

Kt Templar wrote: Perhaps it's another language mismatch.

In an effort to help clarify things, I put it through Babblefish and came up with the following translation:

My hovercraft is full of eels.

I hope this helps.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:21 am

Ain't THAT the truth. Try to find a vendor that will rechrome a car bumper for you these days.

When you DO find them, they are asking astronomical prices for the work, as they know they're the only game in town now.

I needed the grill on the Plymouth rechromed. I was quoted over $500 to get the work done. I ended up painting it black.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:48 am

You use a brush or a roller on that job?

(cuz from this close the work is really good.)

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:50 am

Rattle can, paint made specifically for the job.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:54 am

Krylon?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:08 pm

Nope.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:09 pm

Rub n Buff?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:15 pm

Nope.

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:30 pm

afalzon wrote:Having used zippers of all sizes, could say that TOD zipper looks more like a 10 gauge rather than 8.
8 is slightly bigger than 5 that can't be noticed from a distance.

I read somewhere that the original Raiders jacket was aluminum, not nickel. Right or wrong?

(Nice Bud Spencer photo you have there, can we see it bigger please?)

My Wested has a size 8 and my US Wings Legend has a size 5. No, you can't tell from a difference, but there's a significant difference in size and feel to me.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Indiana Dymond · Post by **Indiana Dymond** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:04 pm

I don't know if it will help anyone now but a couple of weeks ago I talked to Peter about a Temple of Doom jacket.

Got the jacket allready,less than two weeks $\:D/$ . Big thanks to Zoltar for the prong sliders

Lovely dark lambskin

Anyway Peter tells me that the TOD jacket dose infact have a 10 gauge YKK zipper with a big pull,the same as on many biker jackets.They have 8 gauge listed on there website but that is not correct.
10 gauge is what Wested use on there copy of Noel Howards TOD jacket,and is what I have on my Temple jacket.
The zip has 8 teeth per inch.

As for the metal,well I know my stuff as far as that's conserned and my jacket has aluminium teeth with a zink alloy pull. The box and starter are nickle plated.

Of course I have no way of knowing what the original had,but if it's the same EVERYONE is right on the material used

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:56 pm

He really was!

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:04 pm

Actually this reminds me of the time.. many moons ago... when i visited Swales at HJ and then Noel at MBA. I was buying a bag from Noel and of course was bowled over with being allowed to look at AND TRY ON some actual screen used Indy gear. Although i was just a scruffy fan buying a simple bag, I was treated as an important customer and with the utmost courtesy and respect by Noel and his team (in contrast to my HJ experience). I remember making some remark along the lines of " thank goodness the guy who made the jackets isn't also in central London" - to which Noel replied " Ah yes, ..... Peter." It was an odd tone of voice. I've since met and had dealings with Peter and regardless of what gets written here, I really like the guy and enjoyed his company. But I have to admit, I sometimes wonder what Noel's tone of voice that day really meant.

Anyway, I digress. I have a pic of me wearing that TOD jacket somewhere - the zipper was pretty huge and the jacket was pretty much on it's last legs. And it fit like a glove!!!!!!!!!

CM · Post by CM » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:21 pm

I remember those photos. So according to your encounter, NH stated that Peter made that ToD jacket? You can see how things get confusing around here. So many quotes, so many anecdotes

Indiana Dymond · Post by **Indiana Dymond** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:56 pm

CM, whiskyman said THE jackets not the jacket Noel Howard had exactly.

Peter said the Noel Howard jacket was "Cream Crackered"

.

Also I've been looking at a lot of zips,thanks to this place

. If you look on the zipper pull the guage size is nomally stamped or cast into it.

I realy regret not getting into gear earlier and being able to meet or speak with Noel Howard,but I have got to speak to Peter and found him a very interesting person and happy to deal with questions and tell you what he's been up to,I look forward to meeting him in person one day.

CM · Post by CM » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:52 pm

_ wrote:
CM wrote:I remember those photos. So according to your encounter, NH stated that Peter made that ToD jacket? You can see how things get confusing around here. So many quotes, so many anecdotes
Peter never made any jacket for ToD. Noel would never have said so, because both he and Berman confirmed repeatedly that Peter Botwright had nothing to do with Temple.

Do I need to clarify this point yet again? The same lies regurgitate through that fat turkey neck of his every few years...

It's cool, I know that.

I just thought the post was suggesting something else. Anyone who hasn't been following the plot closely can easily get thrown off course. I thought WM was presenting us a new detour.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:29 am

CM wrote:I remember those photos. So according to your encounter, NH stated that Peter made that ToD jacket? You can see how things get confusing around here. So many quotes, so many anecdotes

Ah, no. I never mentioned any movies in particular (partly because way back then, I assumed Peter was the only Indy jacket maker). I was chatting to Noel about having just been to Swales and nearly spent a lot of money, and was now at MBA being tempted to buy more than just a bag - hence my comment that fortunately the jacket maker was not also in central London, because otherwise I would tempted even further.

CM · Post by CM » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:48 am

whiskyman wrote:
CM wrote:I remember those photos. So according to your encounter, NH stated that Peter made that ToD jacket? You can see how things get confusing around here. So many quotes, so many anecdotes
Ah, no. I never mentioned any movies in particular (partly because way back then, I assumed Peter was the only Indy jacket maker). I was chatting to Noel about having just been to Swales and nearly spent a lot of money, and was now at MBA being tempted to buy more than just a bag - hence my comment that fortunately the jacket maker was not also in central London, because otherwise I would tempted even further.

Cool that clarifies things. Let's move on. I have a size 10 zip on my long half-belt. It's massive - I can't inagine it on a light, short lamb jacket.

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:48 am

Mine should be here any day then $\:D/$

Indiana Dymond wrote:I don't know if it will help anyone now but a couple of weeks ago I talked to Peter about a Temple of Doom jacket.

Got the jacket allready,less than two weeks $\:D/$ . Big thanks to Zoltar for the prong sliders Lovely dark lambskin

Anyway Peter tells me that the TOD jacket dose infact have a 10 gauge YKK zipper with a big pull,the same as on many biker jackets.They have 8 gauge listed on there website but that is not correct.
10 gauge is what Wested use on there copy of Noel Howards TOD jacket,and is what I have on my Temple jacket.
The zip has 8 teeth per inch.

As for the metal,well I know my stuff as far as that's conserned and my jacket has aluminium teeth with a zink alloy pull. The box and starter are nickle plated.

Of course I have no way of knowing what the original had,but if it's the same EVERYONE is right on the material used

Indiana Dymond · Post by **Indiana Dymond** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:56 am

What leather did you go with in the end Andy?

I love the dark lambskin I have,it has that almost black look we see in the jackets at times

.

The zipper does look big,but it got me about a day to get over it.
It's just the pull that looks too big now,but I'm getting used to it

.

All I need to do is get the newness out of it,but not the full "cream crackered" look the original is now has

.

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:14 am

I went for the goat, I plan to eventualy go the whole hog and sand the #### out of it. The goat sample I got had a great undertone and should be a bit more forgiving if I get carried away!

I got some dark lamb too, I bet your jacket looks awesome. I'm already working on an idea for that hide.

No worries Patts I think were all used to you throwing one in every now and then.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:31 am

Was the goat sample authentic or dark brown? Were the undertones not the usual Wested grey tone?

Indiana Dymond · Post by **Indiana Dymond** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:49 am

Good luck on the weathering Zoltar

. Going to give my dark lamb a quick shower to get the shine off...then see what happens from there.

I've got some nice red/brown undertones with the dark lamb,whats the goat like?

Think we'll have to start a "Show us you Wested TOD jacket" thread now.

BUT we must put a big disclaimer that Wested DID NOT make the original Temple jacket

.

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:00 am

I'll sort some pics of the samples when I get home.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:54 pm

That'd be great. I've been after a jacket with brown undertones instead of grey for sometime. The only one so far was my shrunken lamb Novak. Didn't care for the leather otherwise though.

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:33 pm

Ok we've got Authentic Brown Goat and Dark Brown Lamb served on a bed of Authentic Brown Lamb.
These are taken in varied natural light, the Goat has a nice earthy brown belly the Lamb more pinkish brown.
Hope these files arnt too big!

BTW Whiskyman the whips working out great, managed an hours practice on Sunday before the rain set in

I've got a long way to go but it's all good fun

ZOLTAR

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:35 pm

Great pics! I wonder whether the dark brown goat has the same undertone as the dark brown lamb? I love the colour of the DB lamb - spot on for me - just not keen on lamb. Prefer the durability of goat. Hmmmm, may have to give Peter a call.

Glad you're enjoying the whip Andy! Hope to see some pics in the whip section!

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:07 pm

I have two samples of the old stock DB goat. both samples have brownish undertones.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:54 am

As brown as the DB lamb pictured above?

Zoltar · Post by **Zoltar** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:32 pm

Just got a parcel from Wested $\:D/$
New thread coming soon!