UDATE: Wings Striated Lamb—now with BISON SAMPLE

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:24 pm

As far as the buckle goes, it's the brass that people don't like. Screen accuracy aside, I believe that most people don’t want brass zippers on their Indy jackets for aesthetic reasons. Yeah, I know that D-rings are brass, but they don’t show off as much as a thick buckle. I prefer the rectangular sliders that G&B uses the most. The iodized buckle that TN used on his Raider was great too. Your eye wasn’t drawn to it, which is what people want. These are observations, screen accuracy aside.

Bison is thick sturdy leather. I had a vest made out of it. It makes for a good jacket, though I’m not sure about how well it will work in an Indiana Jones pattern and it definitely is not something a “fan” would want for their Indy jacket. It is an offering for their regular market.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:34 pm

As I just 'told' Tennessee Smith, it's been an interesting 'exercise' scrolling through 67 pages of jacket threads looking for examples of collar stands, only to find they're all OVER the map.

Most are about half the width of the storm flap, as you see on the G&B, but I found a few that were the same width AS the storm flap, as seen on the Wings jackets, and they weren't Wings. They were Wested jackets, example below.

So, once again we have a point that, though not a true 'standard', there seems to be enough examples scattered throughout the site that support a wide collar stand. Not that it's right, but at least they've been out there for a while, and by vendors like Wested.

Weird. That's something I never paid a whole lot of attention to all these years.

Regards! Michaelson

that_dog · Post by **that_dog** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:39 pm

Michaelson wrote:Weird. That's something I never paid a whole lot of attention to all these years.

Regards! Michaelson

If I can get the "knower of things" to take a fresh look at something I know I've made a small but indelible mark here at COW. I can retire from posting in peace.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:40 pm

My friend, should the day ever come I STOP looking at things with 'fresh eyes', that's the day I need to be shown the door.

HIGH regards !Michaelson

that_dog · Post by **that_dog** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:43 pm

Now let's examine hanger types... note the difference between the USW and TN LC/CS "loop" style and the G&B and TN Raiders "strap" style (as is typical for vintage A-2s). Which is "screen accurate"?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:45 pm

Post by **Holt** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:47 pm

that_dog wrote:Which collar stand, Holt? The USW or the A-2 I posted?

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the A-2.

that_dog · Post by **that_dog** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:52 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:
that_dog wrote:Which collar stand, Holt? The USW or the A-2 I posted?

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the A-2.

Good to know, thanks. I think the narrow collar stand is clearly more "screen accurate" (if that phrase has any meaning anymore

).

Post by **Holt** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:55 pm

Yes, In my opinion the narrow stand is SA. at least towards the ''well of souls/flying wing'' jacket. which I believe is the wested. the Imam jacket has a taller Collarstand.

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:59 pm

I agree there Holt. I see a taller collar stand on the Imam's jacket, and that is the jacket this most strongly resembles.

Here's a quick comparison to my Wested.

The Wings collarstand measures 1 3/8. The Wested is 1 1/4.

Weston

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:18 pm

What amazes me is that we're talking about 1/8 of an inch.

... OK, no it doesn't

Good pics Weston

that_dog · Post by **that_dog** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:25 pm

On Weston's jackets, yes, maybe 1/8" difference. On other jackets the difference is much greater. Compare some of the USW shots to the G&B and TN jackets. Some of the USW stands are two to three times as wide!

Edited to add: I just checked my TN Raiders... the collar stand is approx. 3/4" of an inch wide.

Kentucky Blues · Post by **Kentucky Blues** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:30 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:Call and ask them to directly measure a jacket, if they'll do it. That is the ONLY way you'll know how the sizes really are. That's been my personal experience with Wings jackets, anyway.

I didn't ask them to directly measure a jacket, but I did send an e-mail regarding sizing issues and asked if there was a spec chart. I got a response from Sarge, and I think they're going to send me that same form from before....

-KB

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:46 pm

that_dog wrote:On Weston's jackets, yes, maybe 1/8" difference. On other jackets the difference is much greater. Compare some of the USW shots to the G&B and TN jackets. Some of the USW stands are two to three times as wide!

Edited to add: I just checked my TN Raiders... the collar stand is approx. 3/4" of an inch wide.

My Todd's Standard measure 1 inch exactly...

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:48 pm

that_dog wrote:On Weston's jackets, yes, maybe 1/8" difference. On other jackets the difference is much greater. Compare some of the USW shots to the G&B and TN jackets. Some of the USW stands are two to three times as wide!

Edited to add: I just checked my TN Raiders... the collar stand is approx. 3/4" of an inch wide.

Thanks Tennessee!

Here's another comparison. Wiing Signature Series Adventurer, compared to Todd's Standard.

The Todd's measures 1", the Wing's 1 1/16"

This thread is supposed to be about the Wings Raider jacket in striated lamb, not a referendum on all Wings collar stand sizes. They do have some big ones, I'll grant you, but show me one 1 1/2" to over 2", and I'll eat it. I'll even ask for seconds!

Weston

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:56 pm

I agree. I don't think it's appears at all drastic. In fact, I think the jacket is gorgeous and can't wait to see more shots of it.

But alas, like so much of this hobby, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (heck...I'm not even overly disturbed about the zipper side...)

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:50 am

Kentucky Blues wrote:
binkmeisterRick wrote:Call and ask them to directly measure a jacket, if they'll do it. That is the ONLY way you'll know how the sizes really are. That's been my personal experience with Wings jackets, anyway.
I didn't ask them to directly measure a jacket, but I did send an e-mail regarding sizing issues and asked if there was a spec chart. I got a response from Sarge, and I think they're going to send me that same form from before....

-KB

That's the problem. Both times I ordered jackets from them, I gave them my sizing concerns in great detail and listened to their recommendations, and I always ended up with a jacket that didn't fit me right. It's more frustrating than sneezing snot all over your fingers with no tissue in sight. The first time (during their clearance sale a few years ago) they wanted to give me a large, but I ordered a medium, which turned out to be absolutely enormous on me. I exchanged it for a small (against their recommendation) and it was STILL considerably too big. They were out of the Indy clearance jackets in anything smaller at that point, so I opted for the G-2 and went through a hassle just to have them physically measure an extra-small G-2 they had on hand. When those measurements looked good to me, I had them send me that very jacket. At that point, they were just as frustrated with my hope of getting a jacket that fit that they refused to allow any more exchanges after that. Needless to say, I got the G-2 and it's a nice jacket, but even though it's labeled extra-small it still fits me like a large. And I wear a size 40 regular!

With the hero cow I initially ordered, I was hoping the fit issues were a thing of the past. When I placed my order with Sarge, I talked with him extensively about the sizing of this jacket and reminded him of my prior experience. He agreed the small would be the way for me to go, but when I received it, the shoulders were perfect, but the sleeves and body were long, and I couldn't zip it up! It was an odd fit. When I talked to him about an exchange and asked specific questions about the medium, it became apparent to me that the medium would present a different host of fitting problems for me. And again, I wear a 40 regular with no problem. After returning the hero cow, I had planned to put the money towards the "Cooper" jacket, especially when there was mention of making these jackets in number sizes. (Finally, I thought!) But when it went back to letter sizing, I opted for a refund.

I'm jealous of you folks who can wear their off-the-rack sizes, because they look good on you. But for those of us who are not a "catalog model" fit, we're always challenged to get something other than a custom fit jacket. So THAT'S why I say you should ask for direct measurements off a Wings jacket if you are unsure of the sizing. It may be the only way to know what you're getting ahead of time. That's assuming they'll give them to you.

soulman · Post by **soulman** » Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:46 pm

I have to say that is the one thing that still has me scratching my head. The whole USW sizing issue. I have had a bad experience in the past with this and I swore them off for a long time but then with this new offering and my limited funds. Well, I thought I would give it a shot. I hope i'm not wrong for it though.

Post by **Mike** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:56 am

Myke asked me to post the following sample of the bison. Looks nice texture-wise, IMO.

Also attached here is the swatch of leather of the American Bison Leather. We are going to make it into an Indy Jacket and an A2 also. It is stronger than Cowhide and horsehide and so far the softest leather I have felt. It may be my new favorite.

sharkboy · Post by **sharkboy** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:58 am

That does look pretty cool. A very different but still Indy-esque texture.

SB

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:59 am

Also heard these going to be a VERY limited run of jackets too.

Regards! Micahelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:08 pm

Any animal that's driven off a cliff will have a "limited run."

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:14 pm

Depends on the depth of the canyon.

Yeah, I've been listening to a lot of physics classes lately.

Regards! Michaelson

ron521 · Post by **ron521** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:46 pm

Only discovered TODAY that bison is being offered. If anything would make me want to trade in my cowhide VIP, it would be bison.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:48 pm

As bad as I hate to say it, I'd have to agree, and folks who know me KNOW I love my VIP.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:42 pm

I'm diggin' the Bison a lot!!! Looks good, lots of texture

Maybe if I get one I'll go to Ted Turner's restaurant and eat a burger of it's tasty insides...mmm !!!

You know, get the whole Buffalo experience...

-TS

Post by **Holt** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:45 pm

I love the texture and Im 100% it is the best of the best leather... but it is alittle too light for a Raiders jacket IMO

maby its just the picture?...

sharkboy · Post by **sharkboy** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:52 pm

it seems to have a similar tone to the antique cow. and that darkened up quite a bit for me. perhaps it would darken up as well.

not sure where I am with making a purchase anymore, but this is my leading candidate.

SB

Post by **Holt** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:06 pm

I think its the flash in the picture. makes everything looks lighter.

Im absolutely digging that grain!!

Hope it would darken up over time if it is a lighter skin.

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:08 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I love the texture and Im 100% it is the best of the best leather... but it is alittle too light for a Raiders jacket IMO

maby its just the picture?...

I know what your saying Holt. But if you look at the business card, it's pretty washed out so I'm assuming the flash has done that. So, the color is probably darker that what's shown. Hopefully we'll get a better pic here shortly to give us a better representation of the true color.

[edit- great minds think a like... you beat me to the punch]

Flash Gordon · Post by **Flash Gordon** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:48 pm

Michaelson posted a photo?!?!

Gringo · Post by **Gringo** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:18 pm

After goat, Bison is my fav before cow. A great leather and it tastes great also, serious, no comedy.

Post by **Mike** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:37 pm

Flash Gordon wrote:Michaelson posted a photo?!?!

Nope. Pick up your chin and scroll back up.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:39 pm

Flash Gordon wrote:Michaelson posted a photo?!?!

YOU know better than that!

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:43 pm

Nope, those Kodak Brownies don't have USB ports on them yet, do they M?

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:24 pm

Tennessee Smith wrote:Nope, those Kodak Brownies don't have USB ports on them yet, do they M?

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:02 pm

The 5" floppy disc on my Kodak Hawkeye just doesn't seem compatible with my Tandy computer.

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:48 pm

You're sportin' a Tandy now!?!? So, the abacus has been laid to pasture?

Good Deal

Gringo · Post by **Gringo** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:57 pm

Nice! Makin fun of the old timers. Like I always say, I am a Timex watch caught up in a digital world, and lovin it. We old timers remember when men were men and women were not!

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:49 pm

Tennessee Smith wrote:You're sportin' a Tandy now!?!? So, the abacus has been laid to pasture?

Good Deal

Nope. It's in the shop along with my 8-track player and BetaMax camcorder.

You tell 'em Gringo!

Regards! Michaelson

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:07 pm

Now, I have to say this Bison has my attention....

Curse those danged elvish looking sliders

No....Must....Resist...the Temptation!!!!

Oh...and I don't think you have to be an "old timer" to have the mechanical watch in a digital world attitude, Gringo! I may drive a Jetta on MOST days, but my favorite is still my old 84 CJ...something that, if I REALLY HAD TO, I could fix it myself....replaced the alternator on her just a few weeks ago, as a matter of fact...and the carb needs tuning, now that I think about it.

But, if I WERE going to get one of these...and I'm not saying I am....my choice would actually BE the bison...and I'd be wearin' it at Ted's with ya, TS...downing that burger with an ice cold Terrapin Belgian Style Imperial Stout!

Man....I gotta get another Becks...

Regards!
Indydawg

Post by **Holt** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:10 pm

The Bison is awesome. Im just hoping that the leather does have some drape in it. and if the sliders are not to your liking dawg, why not just swap them with D-rings?

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:16 pm

Well....because I have about as much business trying to do that myself as I have trying to repair the space shuttle...

And because I'm looking for an excuse NOT to buy one because I don't have the extra cash to do so anyway...all my money is earmarked for my "other" project at the moment

Nope...the bison will just have to be for dinner and not for wearing....

Indydawg

Gringo · Post by **Gringo** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:28 pm

Good for you Dawg, it tastes great and is cheaper in the tummy! Oh, forgot, just dug out my 8 track tapes and.....

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:04 pm

Dawg, I'm all in for that meal! We'll have to make time here soon. Maybe compare leathers... Hopefully bison will be a hide to discuss.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:15 pm

you guys make me hungry.. and its night time over here.. I must not eat during night time..

ah..dang...

too late...

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:19 pm

Holt, bison makes one heckuva burger, mmm

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:49 pm

Heck, yeah, it does....and bison leather IS really great stuff. I've got a pair of gloves, a pair of the HS Trask bison shoes...the leather is just REALLY nice...rugged...definitely a nice choice for an adventure jacket...#@$%^& sliders...NO! Must save money!!!

Oh...and, I'm ready when you are, TS-maybe an away-game weekend for GA and....I guess it doesn't matter for 'Bama...what weekend do they play FLA...THAT would be a good time! Meet Mrs. Indydawg....

Ok..I'm WAY off topic now...sorry!

Back to Jung and his archetypes

Regards!
Indydawg

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:08 pm

Anytime is good with me Dawg!!! Let me know and we'll plan accordingly.

And go ahead and put down that book and enjoy a little lighter fare like "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"

...Much better than Jung!

It's like popcorn compared to the burnt nodules of asparagus left too long on the grill...

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:24 pm

I love the texture of Bison leather and think it would make for a great looking Indy jacket.
However, I agree with Holt, that sample does look a little too light in color. (I don't think it was just the camera flash as it didn't wash out the color of the jacket behind it.)