US Wings Lightweight New Zealand Lambskin Hero Indy Review

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I'm getting the 24" + from the US Wings Website.
The armhole, even on the XS is listed as 24 1/4.
Are you telling me yours is 4" less around in diameter than even the smallest listed size? There must be some mistake!
Remember, I'm pretty fussy with measurements, we've been through this before! :)
A small armhole is pretty obvious, and that, is NOT a small armhole!
The "for the money" wasn't a jab at all. Don't be too defensive! Do you know a better Indy jacket for $195? I don't!
I'm just pointing out my personal qualms with them.
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Great photos, Dawg! The jacket looks really good. That leather seems really terrific.

As to the sleeves, I can confirm, based on my Medium cowhide hero jacket, that indeed the upper arm is rather huge. I could fit two of my arms in there, no problem. The sleeve tapers well to a normal size cuff circumference, but as I said the upper arm is pretty enormous.

I think the Wings pattern looks best on bigger guys. Just browse through the photos that have been posted so far in the various threads to confirm this. If you are 6 ft. tall or taller, have a 44 inch chest or larger and are about 200 lbs or so, these jacket are going to look smashing on you. Those of us who are more lean and need a smaller size, these jackets can be too roomy and too long.

Now, I'm by no means bashing the Wings jacket. It is awesome, the leather is out of sight, and it will make a great winter jacket for layering. I just think Wings should consider adjusting the patterns for the Small and Medium sizes (shorter back length, smaller chest measurements, smaller arm openings, scaled down pockets, etc). But again, for 200 bucks, I am not complaining! I am just really hopeful that Holt and others will steer the new film specific patterns in the right direction, size wise. Detail-wise, I'm not worried! ;)
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I believe it was earlier confirmed that even these jackets (rather than just the ones that haven't come out yet) use at least some variation of the cooper pattern, and are thus different from the other US Wings Indy offerings. To further suggest this idea, I think that the sizing chart they put on there might be generic, and may not entirely reflect the antique cowhide and new zealand lamb.

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Paging through for the first time in a week or so, and I have to say all these lambskin jackets look GREAT! Very nice fit on you, Indydawg-at least in my opinion!

Congratulations on your jacket. I think it you are happy with it, that's what matters.
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Indydawg wrote:And....a few more taken this morning in a little different light...man, I can't get over this jacket!

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And here's the rest...

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll59 ... ero%20III/

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How come those aren't up at USWings yet? Sarge Get Dawg and his jacket on the page!
I see Holt's photo is up for the NZ Lamb but Holt is wearing the Cowhide jacket. http://www.uswings.com/INHOLTdetail.html
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I agree with RC! We've got some natural talent out there! :M: :tup:

Glad I DON'T post photos of myself now. I'd scare off anyone who looks at the posting :lol: (though it would be helpful to rid areas of vermin and the like! :-k )

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All I can say is that MY jacket does not conform to that size chart. Could be the slight variations on the pattern/cut of the jacket as mentioned by Kentucky (good points!)....and Not Sure....thanks, man! You're right-I know it fits great and that IS what matters...at least to me! I really think these jackets are a different "animal," so to speak, from what the size chart on the Wings site refers to...

Holt...what about yours?

And RC..and M..... :lol:

I appreciate all the compliments, guys...but, it's all about the jacket! Like I said...I just couldn't figure out a good way to show it off without actually putting it on this time!

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I seriously doubt the armhole on your jacket is 10" flat, Dawg, sorry! I would predict 12", just by the bagginess of the upper sleeve.
Maybe we just measure differently.
Regardless, a 4" (at least) variation from the spec sheet on the website is worrying, to say the least....'SLIGHT', hardly!
What some fail to understand is that looking nice is one thing, but fitting nice is another entirely. Accurate measurements allow
us determine what will fit properly, if we know our own measurements.
For $195, measurements be darned, it's an awesome deal, but don't forget you're getting a article designed to fit as many people
as possible. Even Popeye. Or the Hulk.
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Well, I'm neither, and mine fit me better than any Wings product I've received to date, so something is definitely different from what the spec sheet says and what we're actually receiving. :lol:

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Care to measure your jacket then, Michaelson? In particular, the armhole. Take care though, I remember you had trouble with the chest
measurement of a G&B some time ago.... :lol:
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Yep, I recall that. :lol: :oops:

I think I can do better with sleeve openings though. ;)

It will have to be tonight, though. I'm 10 miles away from my jacket right now.

Not much call for a leather jacket with 100+ degree weather and high humidity! :shock:

In the meantime, anyone else close to their jackets who can offer some data?

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Michaelson wrote: Not much call for a leather jacket with 100+ degree weather and high humidity! :shock:
What do you mean? Those pockets are for the ice packs! :lol:
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Works for me!!! :lol:
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thanks for the comparrison of Todds and Wings Lamb everyone. Someone mentioned these jackets would fit great on a 6 foot + 44 chest 200 lb frame.... well thats me and i workout and the upper arm is STILL pretty darn big for me too. Everything else fit pretty well, in the LARGE i had. Just needed longer sleeves on mine because of my delts.
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IndyDawg all of your pictures are amazing!! YOU wear the jacket well, it doesn't wear you.

Michael my comment, "I see Clark Kent, but not Superman. ;) ", was intended as a compliment! I see the same chiseled good looks that Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, and Brandon Routh brought to the character of Clark/Superman, in IndyDawg. Just no superhero suit.

RCS, I sent Holt a pm last night informing him of the problem his jacket pictures are posted with the wrong jacket on Wings site. My guess as to why IndyDawgs pictures are not posted yet: Dawg asked they not be or the webmaster at Wings is too busy to do so because they are some of the best I have seen.
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Michaelson wrote:Yep, I recall that. :lol: :oops:

I think I can do better with sleeve openings though. ;)

It will have to be tonight, though. I'm 10 miles away from my jacket right now.

Not much call for a leather jacket with 100+ degree weather and high humidity! :shock:

In the meantime, anyone else close to their jackets who can offer some data?

Regards! Michaelson
We have made the Hero Line with a little extra body movement in mind ! I can take a close look at the size small and Med.of the hero line and see if anything can be done for these jackets in the future,, It may take a few weeks before we can offer a down size for small and Med.. I guess we could offer two sizes for Small and Med. Norm. and down size.
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Thank you sir! :TOH:

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Just another example of Wings monitoring this website and trying to offer solutions. Outstanding customer service!! :tup: :tup: :TOH:
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scot2525 wrote:Just another example of Wings monitoring this website and trying to offer solutions. Outstanding customer service!! :tup: :tup: :TOH:
Cheers to that!

FYI: My Medium has an armhole that measures 24 inches around.
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scot2525 wrote:Just another example of Wings monitoring this website and trying to offer solutions. Outstanding customer service!! :tup: :tup: :TOH:
We try.. I just told Glenn our web master to remove the size chart for the Hero Jackets...
They are all hand made one at a time and are not tailor made.
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just to throw this out there... and dont get this thread of topic but take it with you and keep this in mind.

the cooper HERO seen on screen had alittle bigger upper sleeves then the wested hero. they bunched up way more up there. you can see that in the imam house scene. so they are alittle bigger up there. maby not as big as they are on the HERO Neil Cooper jackets but I dont think they are that HUGE either as people say they are. maby a little to big for screen acurrate but in real life they can be usefull. However, Sgt and Co. are telling yall now that the wheel has started to turn about the sizes. a promisse about 100% SA has been given and the company is trying as hard as they can to please the fans ;)

oh, and I keep reading about people sayin that they can put their leg into them, well if so, you either need to eat more or start working out! lol.
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Sgt. wrote: We have made the Hero Line with a little extra body movement in mind ! I can take a close look at the size small and Med.of the hero line and see if anything can be done for these jackets in the future,, It may take a few weeks before we can offer a down size for small and Med.. I guess we could offer two sizes for Small and Med. Norm. and down size.
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That sounds like a pretty good idea! I wouldn't change the arm length on the downsize though. To be honest, however, (and remember I don't know what I'm talking about :lol:) I wouldn't make the jackets with much extra body movement in mind. Reason being that if you were giving a little extra movement to those who fill the jacket best, you're giving ALOT to those who are on the smaller side, like the people who are just barely too big for the next size down. I would make the jackets a normal (or maybe even military?) and suggest a size up for those who want more room. Only reason I suggest military is because the measurements listed on the normals seem just plain huge! Remember though, this is coming from a guy who doesn't entirely know what he's talking about ;)

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Indiana Holt wrote:just to throw this out there... and dont get this thread of topic but take it with you and keep this in mind.

the cooper HERO seen on screen had alittle bigger upper sleeves then the wested hero. they bunched up way more up there. you can see that in the imam house scene. so they are alittle bigger up there. maby not as big as they are on the HERO Neil Cooper jackets but I dont think they are that HUGE either as people say they are. maby a little to big for screen acurrate but in real life they can be usefull. However, Sgt and Co. are telling yall now that the wheel has started to turn about the sizes. a promisse about 100% SA has been given and the company is trying as hard as they can to please the fans ;)

oh, and I keep reading about people sayin that they can put their leg into them, well if so, you either need to eat more or start working out! lol.
Well said... Our Hero line is made for the everyday person in mind that wants that extra movement and for a year around jacket that frankly can not afford to spend a lot of Money for a quality high end leather jacket.... With that said for that customer that wants the 100 % Indy spec jacket .. stand by and Neil Cooper and US Wings will offer those in the future.
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Tundrarider wrote:Third, it's funny how a person's avatar sorta influences how I imagine them. I gotta say, you look nothing like your avatar led me to believe!! You're a strikingly handsome man and the Sarge has gotta be pleased that you are showing off his work so well!!!

Hahahahah. I had exactly the same reaction! Good God, Dawg, you a catalog model or actor or both? I had you pictured a lot more like your avatar too. (No offense). You look an awful lot like a younger Bruce Campbell, (Army of Darkness, etc.).

Great jacket. I think if given the opportunity on future models I might trim down the diameter of the sleeves some, but that leather is something else. Of course, while I post, Sarge has already addressed the issue! Man, the guy is reading minds now. :D
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Tundrarider wrote:I'm curious as to how folks are measuring their arm holes. :-k

1) Are we measuring along the edge of the sleeve seam where it attaches to the body?

or

2) Are we measuring the sleeve width at the armpit measuring 90 degrees across the sleeve to the outer arm and then multiplying by two?

Measurement #1 is going to be much larger than measurement #2.

My Nowak has very tight sleeves and measurement #1 is 21" while measurement #2 is 9" x 2= 18"

Perhaps this is what's causing the variances?

The larger sleeve is appealing to me as mine are so tight (my fault, not Tony's :TOH: ) and in this Wings jacket, the larger sleeves look is pulled off really well. :H:

Michael :TOH:
Method #1, sir. :TOH:
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Indiana Holt wrote: oh, and I keep reading about people sayin that they can put their leg into them, well if so, you either need to eat more or start working out! lol.
Ha, ha. No, I can't fit my leg in there. I do have skinny arms, though. I should ask you and _ about building up those shoulders, biceps and triceps, I guess. I'll just keep doin' those pushups in the mean time! :)

Oh, and Holt, I'm glad you and others from COW are working on this project with Sarge. These jackets will be awesome, I'm sure. :TOH:
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:lol:
I seriously doubt the armhole on your jacket is 10" flat, Dawg, sorry! I would predict 12", just by the bagginess of the upper sleeve.
Maybe we just measure differently.
Regardless, a 4" (at least) variation from the spec sheet on the website is worrying, to say the least....'SLIGHT', hardly!
Ok, man....I guess you know MY jacket better than I do sitting right here in front of me!

Good grief...
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Tundrarider wrote:
Third, it's funny how a person's avatar sorta influences how I imagine them. I gotta say, you look nothing like your avatar led me to believe!! You're a strikingly handsome man and the Sarge has gotta be pleased that you are showing off his work so well!!!



Hahahahah. I had exactly the same reaction! Good God, Dawg, you a catalog model or actor or both? I had you pictured a lot more like your avatar too. (No offense). You look an awful lot like a younger Bruce Campbell, (Army of Darkness, etc.).
Oh, and thanks guys.... :oops: :[

I know what you mean about the avatar...I am usually a fairly private person....I think I actually posted pics of me wearing a jacket (my Aero "Bugs Bunny" A-2) about six years ago (come to think of it, someone back then made a comment to the effect of...."Holy cow...Indydawg is Bruce Campbell?!".... :lol: can't believe I remember that) before I took some time off from the hobby to finish up some unfinished business....but, I don't even have a facebook account and usually keep my online activities limited to eBay and reading The Onion....so, like I said....I have just not found a good reason to post pics before now...but heck, these are unprecedented times for the Indy jacket....things are coming full circle from when Neil Cooper first started down this road with Raiders...and I guess I just felt it was time I actually got myself fully in the game.

But no...the last bit of acting I did was a stage production run of Little Shop of Horrors (played Orin Scrivello, DDS ;) ) back after college and since then I've mostly taught and directed theatre and literature.

Anyway....thanks, again, for the compliments, all! But I think the jacket is the real star here!

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Indydawg wrote:..........
Anyway....thanks, again, for the compliments, all! But I think the jacket is the real star here!

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well yeah, lets not get carried away with the 'star' thing ;) :lol:

but your photos especially these last ones should go up on the Wings site for the jacket.
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Oh...and Kevin...
The "for the money" wasn't a jab at all. Don't be too defensive! Do you know a better Indy jacket for $195? I don't!
I'm just pointing out my personal qualms with them.
Not that anyone needs defending....but speaking strictly for myself...I don't know that I KNOW a better Indy jacket...regardless of price.

But maybe I should just get back to my books..... 8-[]

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Indydawg wrote:
Not that anyone needs defending....but speaking strictly for myself...I don't know that I KNOW a better Indy jacket...regardless of price.
Just wait till you get the antique cowhide! I'll be very curious to read your comparison of the two jackets.
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And I'm very much looking forward to providing it, Forest!

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Forrest For the Trees wrote:
Indydawg wrote:
Not that anyone needs defending....but speaking strictly for myself...I don't know that I KNOW a better Indy jacket...regardless of price.
Just wait till you get the antique cowhide! I'll be very curious to read your comparison of the two jackets.
I'm loving mine! And since I haven't recieved the lamb yet, I may put up a couple more pics of the antique cow now that I've had a few days to wear it.

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Weston wrote:
Forrest For the Trees wrote:
Indydawg wrote:
Not that anyone needs defending....but speaking strictly for myself...I don't know that I KNOW a better Indy jacket...regardless of price.
Just wait till you get the antique cowhide! I'll be very curious to read your comparison of the two jackets.
I' loving mine! And since I haven't recieved the lamb yet, I may put up a couple more pics of the antique cow now that I've had a few days to wear it.

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Don't tell me the weather has really been nice enough in Oregon to wear a leather jacket! :-$ I lived there for six years, and let me tell you, I miss those summers. Texas in the summertime? Not leather jacket weather...
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It was nice enough till about two days ago! It's supposed to be over 100 tomorrow!

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like I said. I dont think that the sleeves are to big for real life.

they may be alittle too big for a raiders screen accurate jacket but not by much. the sleeves are being adjusted to fit the screen one.

so for what its worth, here is a picture of how the sleeves are on me.

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Indiana Holt wrote:like I said. I dont think that the sleeves are to big for real life.

they may be alittle too big for a raiders screen accurate jacket but not by much. the sleeves are being adjusted to fit the screen one.

so for what its worth, here is a picture of how the sleeves are on me.

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Holt.... are you wearing a superman shirt? :) Not knocking , I wear something superman everyday practically
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yep. I love superman you know ;)

christopher reeves is superman. no one else!

but thats OT. ;)
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Sgt. wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:like I said. I dont think that the sleeves are to big for real life.

they may be alittle too big for a raiders screen accurate jacket but not by much. the sleeves are being adjusted to fit the screen one.

so for what its worth, here is a picture of how the sleeves are on me.

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I feel for an everyday jacket in fall/winter time I need it. it counts. I love the widr sleeves on this jacket. but on the other side, I must admit I do like the sleeves to be a tad slimmer on the upcoming jackets to match the screen jacket sleeve fit. but not much!! this is just my opinon and personal taste. but let me say, this jacket here is amazing and I cant get enough of it! everytime I slip this baby on I either want to jump onto a tank or run from a big boulder. I know the jacket can take it! love it!!
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the sleeve length are perfect! 25.5'' couldnt wish for more. they are it!!
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Tundrarider wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:I love the widr sleeves on this jacket. but on the other side, I must admit I do like the sleeves to be a tad slimmer on the upcoming jackets to match the screen jacket sleeve fit. but not much!! this is just my opinon and personal taste.
Eric, you rock every jacket I've seen you in!!!

I'm glad to hear what you said about the sleeve width. But what about the sleeve length? In the photo of you above, the right sleeve on your extended arm, looks a bit shorter than the "hit your thumb knuckle" length you usually have. I was wondering if the Next Generation Wings jackets might offer longer sleeves without having to get the longer body, as well. :-k

I'm glad you're involved in the Wings project, my friend! :D

Michael :TOH:
I am making 12 with longer arms.. 1 and 1/2 in. longer.. they will be done in ten days.
Best I can do for now..
All other Jackets with and without snaps will be in about the same time.
Now for some other news.. I have a very large order with the US Navy and Will have to fill those orders as seen at www.uswings.com this Sunday night.. HF is on the Board along with Tom Hanks.
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thanks Sarge

Will the jackets with the longer arms be in all sizes or just Large?
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they may be alittle too big for a raiders screen accurate jacket but not by much. the sleeves are being adjusted to fit the screen one.
I think I understand what you're saying here, but do you care to clarify it for me, just so I'm sure?
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Can any of you do me a favour and tell me the measurements of the collar?

Thanks a lot.

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Holt previously posted this
the collar is one of the best Last crusade collars I have seen to date. the tip is 3.5''

the collarstand is 1.5'' and guess what! it curls exactly like it does on film! this is it! FINALLY! St. Dumas would love this feature.
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RCSignals wrote:thanks Sarge

Will the jackets with the longer arms be in all sizes or just Large?
Large only!!
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It's a fantastic jacket, great work by US Wings. If we are modifying the design, why not make the pocket smaller? They look to be about two inches too long. ;)
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RCSignals wrote:Holt previously posted this
the collar is one of the best Last crusade collars I have seen to date. the tip is 3.5''

the collarstand is 1.5'' and guess what! it curls exactly like it does on film! this is it! FINALLY! St. Dumas would love this feature.
Sorry guys, and especially you, Holt. Miss monitoring a thread for even a short time and this is what happens to me. That collar looks very good. Thanks for the measurements.

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