Last Crusade jacket thread

[St. Dumas]

Good comments, Holt. That Magnoli collar does look good.

Of course, the perception of precise collar measurements will always depend on the size of Ford's head, which makes everything relative. Plus, in some scenes, it does look like it's one inch. Probably the second jacket.

My old Wested LC jacket (pre-Crystal Skull prototype modifications) has a 1.25 inch collar stand. That pre-CS collar construction is nothing like his current one, of course, but that collar stand would work well with Wested's current LC collar design.

The LC collar and stand gives the collar enough width to have the signature large curl and still not look short. That look can't be replicated with the Raiders or TOD collar/stand configuration, which is why I'm leaning toward a taller collar stand. That said, Holt's comments re his Magnoli give me pause for thought.

SD

[Holt]

you know, there is something really weird going on with the pockets sometimes. makes you wonder if they really are taller then what we normally see. this would explain it because when I got the pocket specs from one fo the orignals it is taller then what I guessed it would be.


see were the yellow line is. thats he top of the pocket flap.



and see how far pushed back the pocket on the non stormflap side is.

[/quote]


It is just like on the wings 'Hero' jacket. the only thing is that on the wings jacket both pockets are pushed far back. small detail I know....

[Indydawg]

OR...it could be you just haven't gotten a good enough look at the pocket on the right side (left side is storm flap, yes?) to actually determine it's respective placement on the body....

Just a thought...

Indydawg

[bigrex]

It is just like on the wings 'Hero' jacket. the only thing is that on the wings jacket both pockets are pushed far back. small detail I know....

eh, wings pockets still look bigger to me.

[Kevin Anderson]

You seem very sure of certain measurements of the LC jacket Holt. What's your source? What jacket was measured, and by whom, and when?
I'm not doubting it may have happened, just curious..

[Holt]

It is just like on the wings 'Hero' jacket. the only thing is that on the wings jacket both pockets are pushed far back. small detail I know....

eh, wings pockets still look bigger to me.

your not following my friend. i never said they where the same size.


the pocket on the stormflap side is not pushed far back nor is it as big as wings pockets. all Im saying is that sometimes a certain jacket in LC has pockets that seems bigger then what we normally see in LC. it could be an illusion or it could be another jacket..

this is not something I just discovered yesterday but have seen before... I just didnt care to look further into it, but yes, after getting the wings jacket I had to put on LC again and while watching it just struck me. the specs I got from one of the originals could match the pockets seen on that jacket above in the first picture with the yellow line. and this made me think about how the wings pockets is not THAT far away. they are bigger by an 1'' or so and both are placed 1'' to low. And the pocket on the SF side is placed 1'' to far away from the stormflap.

and again, thanx for the talk yesterday Dawg!

[Indydawg]

[bigrex]

It is just like on the wings 'Hero' jacket. the only thing is that on the wings jacket both pockets are pushed far back. small detail I know....

eh, wings pockets still look bigger to me.

your not following my friend. i never said they where the same size.


the pocket on the stormflap side is not pushed far back nor is it as big as wings pockets. all Im saying is that sometimes a certain jacket in LC has pockets that seems bigger then what we normally see in LC. it could be an illusion or it could be another jacket..

this is not something I just discovered yesterday but have seen before... I just didnt care to look further into it, but yes, after getting the wings jacket I had to put on LC again and while watching it just struck me. the specs I got from one of the originals could match the pockets seen on that jacket above in the first picture. and this made me think about how the wings pockets is not THAT far away. they are bigger by an 1'' or so and both are placed 1'' to low. And the pocket on the SF side is placed 1'' to far away from the stormflap.

and again, thanx for the talk yesterday Dawg!

ok, when you said "the only thing" I assumed you literally meant that, thanks for clarifying.

[Kevin Anderson]

You seem very sure of certain measurements of the LC jacket Holt. What's your source? What jacket was measured, and by whom, and when?
I'm not doubting it may have happened, just curious..

No response to this Holt? Oh well, i thought it was a fair question. It just bugs me when opinion is presented as fact.

[singsingjohnny]

An LC jacket question, which would be the more accurate lining, cotton body/satin sleeves or nylon? Which do you all prefer? I've had the cotton/satin combo but am not familiar with the nylon. This is for a Magnoli coat.

[Holt]

the original had a silky dark brown lining, sleeves and body

[singsingjohnny]

Excellent, thanks Holt.

[atkins]

Gents,

Does anyone have a hi res of that image? What back issue magazine should i look to find that image? There's a 1989 Premiere magazine on Ebay right now which have the same pic on the cover, but i'm not sure. Any link to a hi res pictures of that photo shoot will be greatly appreciated too.

Atkins

[Texan Scott]

On the pocket, yes.



This would have to be a deep pockets to allow the diary to sit that far down.

Does any one have official dimensions for this diary?

If the diary is 16 cm high, or about 6 1/4" to 6 3/8", then judging by this photo, the pockets would have to be about 7" wide. To me, the LC pockets are wider than the Raiders pockets and shorter than the Raiders. Around 7 1/2" tall x 7" wide would not be all that far from the truth, it would appear? By that reasoning, the flaps would be around 3 1/2" at its widest point.

[CM]

On the pocket, yes.



This would have to be a deep pockets to allow the diary to sit that far down.

Does any one have official dimensions for this diary?

If the diary is 16 cm high, or about 6 1/4" to 6 3/8", then judging by this photo, the pockets would have to be about 7" wide. To me, the LC pockets are wider than the Raiders pockets and shorter than the Raiders. Around 7 1/2" tall x 7" wide would not be all that far from the truth, it would appear?

Magnoli's LC jacket pockets were taken from the Smithsonian jacket measurements. That's your answer.

Remember teh flaps are huge and this makes the pocket look different.

[Kevin Anderson]

But did anyone actually have the Smithsonian jacket in hand and use a measuring tape, or are we talking about simply eyeballing it through the glass and guessing at the dimensions?

[Texan Scott]

I agree, the answer is in the real deal for a 40R, but what about a 44R, or 36? I would think you would need to scale up or down accordingly?

If these are the true measurements of the grail diary then we can get pretty close.

[CM]

But did anyone actually have the Smithsonian jacket in hand and use a measuring tape, or are we talking about simply eyeballing it through the glass and guessing at the dimensions?

Yep, someone here had access to it. There's a thread about it here somewhere.

[Kevin Anderson]

But did anyone actually have the Smithsonian jacket in hand and use a measuring tape, or are we talking about simply eyeballing it through the glass and guessing at the dimensions?

Yep, someone here had access to it. There's a thread about it here somewhere.

Care to post a link to this thread? I sure can't find it. There's many references to Stefan Hills observations of the Smithsonian jacket, and I even found his
thread from 2003 where he introduces his 'Screen Accurate Wested Crusade' jacket (pics are no longer visible though).
But I can't find any information regarding how measurements were taken, or how the specs were obtained. Just that he saw the Smithsonian jacket.
Perhaps Stefan could fill us in, because I'd love some clarification.
Was the jacket physically handled and measured, or simply 'observed'. Because unless it was measured, sorry guys, we're all still guessing.
If you read this Stefan, this is not intended to be a dig at you, just that I think quite a few years have passed, and some information may have gotten muddled over time..
I'm always happy to admit I'm wrong; and if the Smithsonian jacket was actually held and measured accurately, then fantastic. I'd love to know the specs!

[CM]

But did anyone actually have the Smithsonian jacket in hand and use a measuring tape, or are we talking about simply eyeballing it through the glass and guessing at the dimensions?

Yep, someone here had access to it. There's a thread about it here somewhere.

Care to post a link to this thread? I sure can't find it. There's many references to Stefan Hills observations of the Smithsonian jacket, and I even found his
thread from 2003 where he introduces his 'Screen Accurate Wested Crusade' jacket (pics are no longer visible though).
But I can't find any information regarding how measurements were taken, or how the specs were obtained. Just that he saw the Smithsonian jacket.
Perhaps Stefan could fill us in, because I'd love some clarification.
Was the jacket physically handled and measured, or simply 'observed'. Because unless it was measured, sorry guys, we're all still guessing.
If you read this Stefan, this is not intended to be a dig at you, just that I think quite a few years have passed, and some information may have gotten muddled over time..
I'm always happy to admit I'm wrong; and if the Smithsonian jacket was actually held and measured accurately, then fantastic. I'd love to know the specs!

I don’t know where the information is and I don’t have the inclination to go find it. It’s mentioned a few times and I’m sure Magnoli would know. It was a person who handled and measured the jacket when it was relocated, or something similar. They used trace paper for the pockets, if I’m not mistaken. It’s probably under a Magnoli thread. Holt may recall it too.

[Kevin Anderson]

Sorry, I'm not interested in 'recollections'. There's enough vague half-truths around here as it is.
I'll PM Stefan Hill and await his response for concrete information.

[CM]

Sorry, I'm not interested in 'recollections'. There's enough vague half-truths around here as it is.
I'll PM Stefan Hill and await his response for concrete information.

Knock yourself out Kevin, not sure that Stephan's the guy I'm referring to. And don't be sorry.

[Kevin Anderson]

It's amazing what actually doing a bit of research, and not just taking things as 'given', can uncover.
Not always, and not even in this case perhaps, but sometimes.
That's all I try to do.

[CM]

Dang! I didn't want to but now I'm looking for those posts. I remember that the person who got access to the jacket was invloved in re-locating the Indiana Jones display for a few weeks. He had access to it and pulled out a ruler and tracing paper. He gave these measurements to Magnoli and to Peter but Peter didn't use them. Next question: even if we find the post; do we have proof? Given how paranoid some of us have become, it's all too easy to say B.S!

[Kevin Anderson]

Lets just find the post first, then we'll see what happens?
I've PM'd Stefan, (he's definitely the one you're referring to, I reckon); waiting to hear back from him.
I like the Last Crusade jacket as much as you CM; I'd just like some confirmation on this story, since the facts seem to be a bit hard to come by.
I've been going back through old posts myself, and can't come up with anything specific about the examination of the jacket.
Let us know if you can find anything.
You're right about the whole 'proof' thing too. I'd settle for simply hearing the story of the examination by the fella who did it.
He still posts now and then, so I hope he'll let us know some day.
Whatever the case, it's a shame Wested didn't take to the specs like Magnoli did. I had three Wested LC's myself; all nowhere near accurate.

[CM]

Lets just find the post first, then we'll see what happens?
I've PM'd Stefan, (he's definitely the one you're referring to, I reckon); waiting to hear back from him.
I like the Last Crusade jacket as much as you CM; I'd just like some confirmation on this story, since the facts seem to be a bit hard to come by.
I've been going back through old posts myself, and can't come up with anything specific about the examination of the jacket.
Let us know if you can find anything.
You're right about the whole 'proof' thing too. I'd settle for simply hearing the story of the examination by the fella who did it.
He still posts now and then, so I hope he'll let us know some day.
Whatever the case, it's a shame Wested didn't take to the specs like Magnoli did. I had three Wested LC's myself; all nowhere near accurate.

I hear you, Kev. When I got my LC jacket from Wested in 2002 I watched the film after and compared items. It was wrong! Especially the pockets. I couldn't believe it because I had that crazy authenticity certificate. I actually felt betrayed. I would have taken it better if I had simply been told, "We made the film jacket: this is our current take on that item with some handcrafted differences." The search for the truth is what brought me here. If I could have it all again I would just have got the G&B and said "close enough to Raiders, that'll do, plus it's really well made." That's how I felt years later after getting the G&B. But that film LC jacket has really cool pockets and a nice hide, don't it....?

[Kevin Anderson]

It sure does. It's just a fantastic looking jacket on-screen. Maybe my favourite from all four movies, though the TOD is pretty close.

[CM]

It sure does. It's just a fantastic looking jacket on-screen. Maybe my favourite from all four movies, though the TOD is pretty close.

Yeah, love that TOD too. Tempted to get a Wested in goat... Dratt it! You're right, Kev, it is Stephan Hills who looked at the Smithsonian jacket. I haven't been able to find his version of the story, only mine (after reading his elsewhere) and some others. I would like Hills's story stepped out properly.

Kev, do you still own a Wested TOD? Is it okay?

[Kevin Anderson]

Ha, funny you should mention the Wested TOD; I've only just emailed Peter about one.
I gave up on Wested a while back, but after seeing the great stuff they're putting out now, I'm willing to give them another go.
I had one of the initial run of new TOD's from late '08, with the incorrect vent configuration. I sold it and ordered another
in washed goat, but cancelled it for one reason or another.
So, no, no TOD for me right now, but perhaps fairly soon.

[Kevin Anderson]

Stefan very kindly took the time to reply to my message, and filled me in at length regarding his experiences
with the Simithsonian jacket. It's really quite a fascinating story, and I hope he'll tell it again here for the benefit of other
members.

[CM]

I want to hear that story. Was the jacket heavy? Did he wear gloves? Etc...

[gmarthe]

Holt, you never did post a picture in this thread of your new LC jacket. Did you wind up going with goat? What combination of jacket features did you use?

[Holt]

I still haven't bought it yet...once I do.. new pictures are up.

[Texan Scott]

you know, there is something really weird going on with the pockets sometimes. makes you wonder if they really are taller then what we normally see. this would explain it because when I got the pocket specs from one fo the orignals it is taller then what I guessed it would be.


see were the yellow line is. thats he top of the pocket flap.



and see how far pushed back the pocket on the non stormflap side is.

It is just like on the wings 'Hero' jacket. the only thing is that on the wings jacket both pockets are pushed far back. small detail I know....[/quote]

What were the pocket specs you received? Based on the bottom photo, it looks like the pocket is roughly 1 1/2" from the edge of the storm flap and roughly 2 1/2" from the bottom of the hem of the jacket? Note how the pocket flap is almost half the width of the pocket itself. I still think the LC pockets were wider and shorter than Raiders, 7 1/2H x 6 1/2W, most likely.

[Mark Brody]

Sorry, not jacket related, but there is no way the diary is in that pocket.

Although I've never taken an interest in the jacket to the fraction of an inch of the collar stand, the LC Jacket has always been my favorite, and I've enjoyed perusing the comments and photos.

[Indiana C]

Sorry, not jacket related, but there is no way the diary is in that pocket.

Although I've never taken an interest in the jacket to the fraction of an inch of the collar stand, the LC Jacket has always been my favorite, and I've enjoyed perusing the comments and photos.

Huh....you're right, I've seen this pic like a 100 times and it never occured to me that the diary is supposed to be in that pocket.

[dresden]

Is it just me or do the pockets on the chicago jacket look bigger than the pockets on the smithsonian jacket? Has anyone ever had the chance to examine the chicago jacket in detail. Id be very interested to know the details between the two.

[Kokopelli]

ok, for someone who's been away from here for a while...just read through this again, as LC is my mostest favorite of them all...which LC jacket was horse hide? ...or am I totally misreading?

[Holt]

horse hide?

well thats a first for me.

the jackets were thick lambskin.

[CM]

horse hide?

well thats a first for me.

the jackets were thick lambskin.

Remember _ suggested HH a couple of times. I think he originally thought it could be Cow. Did he not pick up HF's actual LC jacket and claim it was really heavy? _ has also written about the main jacket being possibly an archive jacekt made by Flighsuits. I'm sure I didn't dream this.

[Holt]

hmm. yeah, rings a bell...

[Texan Scott]

Have a look at this, about half way down the page: http://filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The "Chicago" jacket looks like it was lamb.

[Hollowpond]

I always thought there was no way that jacket could be lamb, until I saw the Wings SL legend (which is actually sheep I believe). An LC jacket in that hide would be super cool.

[CM]

Have a look at this, about half way down the page: http://filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The "Chicago" jacket looks like it was lamb.

I'm not sure that's right. Unless I missed it, all we have there is someone citing an expert saying it's lamb. I'm also sure you can't tell a type of hide from a photo.

[Texan Scott]

Have a look at the bottom photo of the strap. You can actually see the grain. Sure looks like lamb, CM?

[CM]

Have a look at the bottom photo of the strap. You can actually see the grain. Sure looks like lamb, CM?

Hmmmm, I can't really tell, it looks like goat to me, but I don't think it is goat.

[Holt]

Have a look at the bottom photo of the strap. You can actually see the grain. Sure looks like lamb, CM?

I agree. the thinnnes of the fold on the strap and the grain is very lamblike. I just took out my lambskin jacket and compared the strap to the photo and it's identical.

[CM]

Sorry folks, I agree with _, you can't tell a leather from a photo.

[Holt]

I like my tail.lol

nah, I agree with you P I just see extreme similarities but hey, it's a photo and I am no leather expert. your right, nobody can really tell what a skin is from a photo. I think it is even hard to tell when you have it in hand as well.

[ANZAC_1915]

Sorry folks, I agree with _, you can't tell a leather from a photo.

Thanks, bud...

Gents - Any "expert" who says he can tell the species from a pic? They're selling something. You cannot do it with any degree of certainty or expertise, i.e. you are guessing. Anybody who has any integrity who works in that business will tell you the same thing. It's only selectively possible when you can hold it in your hands.

Y'all are chasing your tails...

I was going to PM you about this, I do recall you saying that it was heavy like HH (or that someone had told you it was very heavy). But I agree failing any evidence to the contrary it would be lamb.