RCSignals wrote:Texan Scott wrote:.
Contradictory. The WC was the 'mother' or the 'daddy' of all jackets, whichever you prefer. If the WC was the first iteration, then the Cooper & LC/Wested were both the second iteration, because they were both working independent of each other, from the working copy. No evidence to say that once Cooper finished his jacket, he gave it to LC/Wested so he could copy it. Subsequently, all jackets of the IJ series are copies and derivatives of the WC. Some faithful, some not always so...seems at though it goes back to the lineage.
Let's be careful to guard what things spin off from such painstaking research, etc. We finally obtain some measure of truth, only to in essence revert back to the spin doctrine.
Yes lets be careful
There is no hard evidence that people worked independently from each other to produce a jacket.
There is no hard evidence that the Cooper jacket, (we also don't know that there was only one) was not given to another maker to produce a copy.
In fact given the visual evidence there is more indication that the jackets either came from one maker and more than likely if two makers were involved they worked from the same set of patterns. Note I say same set of patterns not independently produced a copy of an existing jacket.
We depend on somewhat of a spoonfeeding method, don't we? Yet the lack of evidence doesn't necessarily prove anything false, so you have to resort to a 'most likely' case. Lets run a scenario and see if it holds up? You are a contactor and you are producing a movie. You ask two sub-contractors to make a jacket for you, not just any, you are reaching for a more iconic look, distictive. Very doubtful you would pull both together and then ask them to produce something for you under one roof, given the competition factor, jealousy, etc. Ok, Cooper, you made it first, now give it to X to copy. Slap in the face to the other guy. Under normal conditions, you might contract both, pay for both, then choose the one you liked best, therefore he gets the contract going forward. This apparently did not happen here under normal conditions....exclusive contract by B&N, etc. Things were already in place to make this scenario not a usual case.
Lets run the DN scenario. She flew to England with Wilson's jackets and the WC mock up. This is something that has been stated many times, yet these statements in and of themselves does not necessarily make them true....you can repeat it many times, the frequency does not make it so. What seems 'most likely' about it, is that it is a 'seemingly' neutral set of events. In other words, 'neutral' because it has no bearing on her credibility, work performance, designer skills, preformance in relation to the boss, etc., on the surface, mere statements of the sequence of events, so we can be reasonably certain that she did take the Wilson's jackets and the WC with her to England, and that the idea of a finished product in terms of the jacket was still up for grabs. However, if you look closely, you might have every reason to cover this up, but she didn't. You might feel embarassed if you had asked Wilson's to make 10-12 jackets, was on a tight budget, and these jackets were not accepted by the boss...? You might want to cover that up. She didn't.
Getting back to the subject at hand, we've heard all these years that Lee & FS were producing Indy jackets before LC began; that a somewhat familiar address cropped up one day, and two jackets were apparently sent to the ranch; that Lee was asked to produce jackets for LC, but declined due to being in a precarious position in relation to the events transpiring at FS.
Now, we're catching reports that Cooper was involved in the creation of the LC jacket.
How so?
