Just what size were the film jackets..?

[Kevin Anderson]

I'd like to discuss the myths of the different jacket sizes for the four films, because it's something that has bugged me for a while.
I propose that all of the film jackets worn by Ford were pretty much the same size, with the obvious exception of the different front and back lengths.
I don't think half an inch here or there makes a huge difference.
I doubt any of the screen jackets were labelled with a '40R' or '44R'. KT has seen (and worn, lucky devil) the NH jacket from Temple of Doom, so he might be able to
tell me otherwise on that jacket at least. So then, what do we have to go on? Measurements, and what the makers tell us.
But we would then need to identify just what measurements qualify for each different size. Is a size 40 22 inches from pit to pit? My G&B Expedition 40R is 23.5!
I'd call that a 42R, but G&B call it a 40R. See how the sizing is open to interpretation? Every maker probably has their own idea of what each size should measure.
Crystal Skull should be an easy one, being the most recent film. That jacket had a chest measurement, armpit-to-armpit, of 22 inches. This would fit someone with
a chest of 40 inches, with 4 inches of room to spare. I'd call it a loose 40R or a snug 42R, but some of you seem to think it is a 44, and I believe even Tony
himself called it a 44. Because 2 x 22 = 44? Perhaps, but that's not how we've measured our jackets in the past. A 44 would need to be, say, 23 inches pit
to pit, for a snug fit with 2 inches of room, or more likely 24 inches for a more relaxed fit. Holt, you are a size 44 correct? What chest measurment do you ask for when ordering?
I bet it's more than 22 inches.
So that's my take on things. Peter has said that the Raiders jacket was a 40R (Wested's idea of a 40R that is!), and I think that didn't change much at all
over the course of the four films.
I'd love to hear thoughts on the subject. If I'm completely wrong, I'd love to see evidence that directly points to the jackets being progressively larger (again, half and inch doesn't really count) over the course of the four films.

[Yojimbo Jones]

Well, for Raiders, we can quote Tony's duplicate of the jacket here:

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=36638&start=0

#000/888 Measurements that I took:
Front Flap w/ Collar Stand vertically from bottom to top: 23"
Shoulder from sleeve seam to collar seam: ~7"
Sleeves from cuff to sleeve seam: between 25 1/2" to 25 3/4"
Back vertical length from Collar Stand to Lower back panel: 23"
Chest width: 22 1/2"
Waist width: 21 1/2"
Pockets: 8" x 6.5" (Crystal Skull Pocket for comparison: 7.5" x 6")

So, 45" minus 4" of movement room puts it at a custom sized 41" chest if you wanted to think of it that way. But the other measurments are also custom, so you have to bear all of that in mind, too.

[Texan Scott]

I'd say that Ford's jackets were custom fitted to him, as we tend to think of the more standardized, mail order way. Even though we may give 40-42-44, there still may be some other measurements that do not quite fit a 40R, for instance, and have to be styled to the person. I would think it would make all the difference if the maker was doing the measurements with him present, and maybe a few of the reasons why we sometimes think that the jacket we just received..."does not fit quite the same"?

[Kevin Anderson]

A good point Texen Scott, and it makes me realise I should have just said 'Ignore the traditional 40R etc sizing; I think the jackets are all mostly the same size'.
That would have been easier!

[RCSignals]

A good point Texen Scott, and it makes me realise I should have just said 'Ignore the traditional 40R etc sizing; I think the jackets are all mostly the same size'.
That would have been easier!

True, because they are mostly the same size. Front lengths of all are about the same as well, back lengths change, but I believe that has more to do with fit of each different movie jacket as when worn they all pretty much end at the same place at the back.

[John Vaughan]

If those are the measurements, that Raiders would fit me rather well. Guess I should have asked this question before I ordered mine from Wested. Oh well.

[CM]

Well, for Raiders, we can quote Tony's duplicate of the jacket here:

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=36638&start=0

#000/888 Measurements that I took:
Front Flap w/ Collar Stand vertically from bottom to top: 23"
Shoulder from sleeve seam to collar seam: ~7"
Sleeves from cuff to sleeve seam: between 25 1/2" to 25 3/4"
Back vertical length from Collar Stand to Lower back panel: 23"
Chest width: 22 1/2"
Waist width: 21 1/2"
Pockets: 8" x 6.5" (Crystal Skull Pocket for comparison: 7.5" x 6")

So, 45" minus 4" of movement room puts it at a custom sized 41" chest if you wanted to think of it that way. But the other measurments are also custom, so you have to bear all of that in mind, too.

I've often wondered is that first measurement "Front flap w/ collar stand" meant to be without collar stand or including it? was there an o missing from the typing?

[RCSignals]

Well, for Raiders, we can quote Tony's duplicate of the jacket here:

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=36638&start=0

#000/888 Measurements that I took:
Front Flap w/ Collar Stand vertically from bottom to top: 23"
Shoulder from sleeve seam to collar seam: ~7"
Sleeves from cuff to sleeve seam: between 25 1/2" to 25 3/4"
Back vertical length from Collar Stand to Lower back panel: 23"
Chest width: 22 1/2"
Waist width: 21 1/2"
Pockets: 8" x 6.5" (Crystal Skull Pocket for comparison: 7.5" x 6")

So, 45" minus 4" of movement room puts it at a custom sized 41" chest if you wanted to think of it that way. But the other measurments are also custom, so you have to bear all of that in mind, too.

I've often wondered is that first measurement "Front flap w/ collar stand" meant to be without collar stand or including it? was there an o missing from the typing?

wonder no more CM. It means WITH collar stand.