Somebody convince me...

CM · Post by CM » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm

That LC jacket is way too big for Slater. Could it be that Peter made a few jacket deviations (black leather, etc) during the time of LC and then sold them off? The jacket looks Harrison Ford sized - perhaps made for him during the initial costuming.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:41 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but actually the first Indy jacket was made by Western Costumes, (the one that actually appeared on film in the Hovitos chase scene) and that they made the jacket following specific orders and specs...and that Cooper and Leather Concessionares made their final versions of the jacket basing their patterns on the Western Costumes cloth jacket? This would actually imply that no one individual owns "intellectual rights" to the jacket, other than the most obvious, Lucas Film, as the wardrobe specialists and other personnel were working for Lucas Film and for the production of Raiders when these events transpired?

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:00 pm

At the very least, it would appear that we have a working copy, something tangible, a physical form that could be used to copy, eyeball, or otherwise make patterns from?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:23 pm

The hills are alive... with the sound of Hovitos...

Jens_Hoppe · Post by **Jens_Hoppe** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:31 pm

Indy jackets with a floral pattern imprinted is gonna be the next big thing here, I just know it!

Post by **Michaelson** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:33 pm

As I recall, some of the conceptual artwork also had a feather in his hat....so let's see....ladies syle zipper, floral pattern jacket, man purse, long feather in hat

....it's ROBIN HOOD!!!! $\:D/$

Regards !Michaelson

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:36 pm

Cue B(r)ink with Pan photo

Post by **Michaelson** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:07 pm

Ugg.....

Regards! Michaelson

ThatManFromRio · Post by **ThatManFromRio** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:19 pm

Michaelson wrote:As I recall, some of the conceptual artwork also had a feather in his hat....so let's see....ladies syle zipper, floral pattern jacket, man purse, long feather in hat ....it's ROBIN HOOD!!!! $\:D/$

Regards !Michaelson

Indiana Bugs · Post by **Indiana Bugs** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:09 am

I love paisley, but I finally got a new jacket. Oh well . . .

Indyzane · Post by **Indyzane** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:10 pm

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:38 pm

You asked for it!

Ravenswood · Post by **Ravenswood** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:43 pm

!!!!

Ravenswood · Post by **Ravenswood** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:10 pm

LOL! Bink, that's HILARIOUS!
I was just about to post a reply on the thread, and that popped right up as I hit the SEND button, haha...I think we tried to post our replies at the very same time, and yours beat me! xD!!
Anyhow, not to be too distracted, here is my more "general" reply to this thread

I LOVE this discussion. I have been following it semi intently (as I'm not the world's most avid reader, and tend to start drifting when I see a bunch of words on a screen

But I must say, I have been dwelling on this whole issue of who made what jacket for what scene for quite some time now, even going so far as to arranging my indy screen-grab shots to find what I consider to be the best direct comparison between the (two hero) jackets. Submitted for your approval:

On the left, the Cooper, and on the right, the Leather Concessionaires (Wested).
The thing I take away from this is that the Imam scene jacket seems to be longer in the back (lending SA cred to my OTR ROLA, which is noticeably longer in the back compared to the WOS/Raven Bar jacket, imo).
Don't know if this adds anything to the post as these details have been discussed ad nauseam, but I'm particularly visually oriented (barring Bink's Caricature! LOL), and this image helps sort things out to a degree in my own mind.

Post by **Mike** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:55 pm

Ravenswood wrote:Anyhow, not to be too distracted, here is my more "general" reply to this thread

How could you not be distracted by Bink's buddy?

Ravenswood wrote:The thing I take away from this is that the Imam scene jacket seems to be longer in the back (lending SA cred to my OTR ROLA, which is noticeably longer in the back compared to the WOS/Raven Bar jacket, imo).

Lets be careful about pulling in observations from our replica jackets and try to keep them towards screen grabs/movie stills and try to avoid muddying the water. 3 pages from now, someone (possibly one who only reads "semi intently"

) may take the "longer in the back" comment as cannon and start calling out jackets already made. There's other threads for those discussions.

Indywannabe · Post by **Indywannabe** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:55 am

I have 4 jackets from Wested, 2 raiders and 1 temple of doom and 1 memphis Belle A2.
Should i make a bonfire and toss them on it and pretend that Wested never existed?
Any suggestions?

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:43 am

_ wrote:Now, calling it a jacquard? Jacquard is a material with a pattern woven into it. Think heavy drapes? Think the play clothes in "The Sound of Music.". How best to make a proof of concept mock-up that can be reasonably assured not to be used in the shooting of the movie? Make it from something completely visually unsuitable, ie jacquard.

Could be too they wanted to use a heavier fabric that would hang/drape more like leather than a thinner cotton mock-up. Especially since they were trying to incorporate the side vents and pleats. Though, jacquard is not necessarily a heavy fabric. There are silk and light cotten jacquard fabrics as well.

I wonder if any of you screen shot jockeys can pick up any floral patterns woven into that jacket in the chase scene where he's running down the hill.

The pattern wouldn't necessarily be very obvious. Ian confirmed a paisley pattern, but it could have been something tone-on-tone like this.

Just spit-balling here.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:09 pm

Might not have been 'Jacquard' at all, just the way the guy pronounced 'jacket'

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:29 pm

aw where's your sense of humour

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:42 pm

He checks it at the door when he logs in....

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Holt** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:53 pm

ThatManFromRio · Post by **ThatManFromRio** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:29 am

Michaelson wrote:He checks it at the door when he logs in....

Regards! Michaelson

_ wrote:

Indiana Holt wrote:

Could someone please elaborate ?

Indiana Bugs · Post by **Indiana Bugs** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:53 am

Ravenswood wrote:
On the left, the Cooper, and on the right, the Leather Concessionaires (Wested).
The thing I take away from this is that the Imam scene jacket seems to be longer in the back (lending SA cred to my OTR ROLA, which is noticeably longer in the back compared to the WOS/Raven Bar jacket, imo).

Just lifting up an arm (right) could make the back of the jacket ride up.

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:34 pm

Well....I thought I was going to have something uniquely constructive to add to this, but after finally finishing reading through the entire thread...I see I'm about a day late, and...well, you know...

but hey...at least I'm here.

Now, where did I set my bourbon?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:15 am

Bourbon? What bourbon?

Regards! Michaelson

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:48 am

Ahhh..can't turn your back for a second around here, can you?!

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:02 pm

Hey Indydawg, long time man....and good to see you are still kicking.

_, I wish you were a hat guy instead of a jacket guy. So much about that Raiders fedora is still one big mystery. So, if you HAPPEN to glean any fedora info, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Fedora

PS. This jacket stuff has made my head hurt!

But keep up the great work! Anybody ever tell you you have bulldog traits? A compliment. Or maybe bloodhound traits too. Once your nose is on the trail, you just don't stop! Even if it leads you all over the world. Great read!

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:55 pm

Fedora....my fellow Bulldog! How the heck are ya?!?!!

_'s a definite mixture of bulldog, bloodhound, and....maybe dachshund? I know mine is quite adept at "digging for the truth!!!"

So...you still have your A-2?

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:41 pm

I still wear (although nowhere nearly enough) my Aero "Real Deal" 15142, seal HH...and, of course, the vintage cowhide Expo....both extremely well made jackets....

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:02 pm

So...you still have your A-2?

Oh yeah! That Real McCoys fixed me right up. But I am in the market for a second one, one that I don't put all of the patches on.

I am getting tired of younguns calling me an old biker!

Can't they see the aviation references? Guess not!

Hey Steve - There is fedora stuff around, but when it comes to what's valuable I seem to be "obtuse and thick"... There must be a way to bridge the gap...

Please keep an eye out for ANYTHING in regards to the Raiders fedora. The data on this hat is pretty scarce. Since D.N. personally took the only hat she had to France, there seems to have been a holdup on the order from HJ. But don't want to clog up the jacket section here with fedora queries...Fedora

Gater · Post by **Gater** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:58 pm

I have to ask - _, have you ever worn your CS Nowak at anytime that you have met with Steven, Harrison or George, either socially or for work? If so, was there any comments?

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:00 pm

_ wrote:I'll make a point on this, as my loose recollection is that Steven and Harrison went to HJ themselves the same day they bought the bag. I have two AMEX receipts from Steven's card to Herbert Johnson, Ltd, and the reimbursement he took. The first was for £175. The next was for 5 @ £875. So it looks like six total for £1,050. I don't see anything through B&N. Is this helpful?

But, you're right... I'll make a point of it and post anything I find in the right place.

That supports Swales story.

Regards! Michaelson

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:18 pm

Gater wrote:I have to ask - _, have you ever worn your CS Nowak at anytime that you have met with Steven, Harrison or George, either socially or for work? If so, was there any comments?

wouldn't be a sight if they all met and were all four wearing theirs....

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:29 pm

You know...that's funny...I also get a lot more comments (usually of the type that Fedora is talking about) when I wear my Aero A-2..it's got the 14th Photo Recon squadron insignia on it, and when I wear it, people ask me why I'm wearing a "Bugs Bunny jacket."

I supposed I should just be glad someone still knows who Bugs Bunny is

...

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:53 pm

You should tell them you're hunting gremlins.

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:56 pm

Indydawg wrote:You know...that's funny...I also get a lot more comments (usually of the type that Fedora is talking about) when I wear my Aero A-2..it's got the 14th Photo Recon squadron insignia on it, and when I wear it, people ask me why I'm wearing a "Bugs Bunny jacket."

Squadron insignia never got any better than this!

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:01 pm

My GAWD, I love that cartoon! It's one of my favorites!

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:02 pm

"What do you know? We ran out of gas."

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:07 pm

Treadwell wrote:
Indydawg wrote:You know...that's funny...I also get a lot more comments (usually of the type that Fedora is talking about) when I wear my Aero A-2..it's got the 14th Photo Recon squadron insignia on it, and when I wear it, people ask me why I'm wearing a "Bugs Bunny jacket."
Squadron insignia never got any better than this!

That, and and all the Disney ones.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:26 pm

Don't forget Felix the Cat, too.

Anyway... what were we talking about again?

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:34 pm

blueoakleyz · Post by **blueoakleyz** » Thu May 06, 2010 6:50 am

Is the reason people wish that Wested/Peter didn't make a movie jacket is because they've had such bad quality issues with their orders?

Post by **Mike** » Thu May 06, 2010 8:27 am

I don't think anyone in trying to get to the true lineage of the jacket has "wished" that Peter didn't make the jacket. Bringing up a dormant topic with a statement like that can be taken as baiting. Careful.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Thu May 06, 2010 9:11 pm

I agree, Mike. I haven't had that great of experiences with Wested, but that doesn't mean I wish they didn't have a part in the jacket's creation. I would be absolutely fine with knowing that Peter actually made the jacket, regardless of my dealings with them. As long as the truth comes out about how the jacket came to be, I'm content.

Kyle