Wested ToD in Goat

theman · Post by **theman** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:30 am

Got this off a fellow member a while back and just never got around to taking pics. It's a 40 and too small for me zipped, but worked in a pinch for a last minute Halloween party. I had just sold off all my Indy jackets including a Nowak Raiders when this party came up and I had a request to see how I'd do with an Indy outfit.
This is off the newer Wested patterns based on that awesome Noel Howard screen seen jacket. Has the correct pronge sliders and other hardware all around as well.

TenuredProfessor · Post by **TenuredProfessor** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:36 am

Great fit, theman! Break that jacket in a little, that's what I'd say it needs.....but perfect cut for you. Congrats!

theman · Post by **theman** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:49 am

Thanks TP!
I think this is the best, most accurate standard fit out of Wested yet since it was patterned directly off the Howard jacket. I wish it was at least a 42 to actually fit me, I look like a women's vinegar&water appliance with it zipped up in this size. A 42 with 1" more than this jacket in the sleeves and torso length would make it spot-on I think. This jacket's present torso length is great for a Raiders, but needs more for a proper ToD length. Sleeve length needs more for either look.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:04 am

Actually I think the torso length is not bad on you, but you do need more sleeve and chest fit.

this one has to be one of the 'corrected' pattern although I can't see the whole vent

theman · Post by **theman** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:30 am

RC - I have it set down on my shoulders as far as it can go to look how it is with respect to length. If I had it on correctly it would look more like the 23ish" back length it is. I have it illusioned to about where a 25" jacket would normally fall worn correctly. So that is about the ROLA to ToD length difference.

I'll see if I can get side vent pics later on for you, not sure yet on the corrected pattern thing. I followed that ToD thread for a bit, but it's been a while. I was all phsyched on a ToD when the Howard jacket was going to be referenced, but the other three movie jackets are just so much more practical by design for everyday usage that I prioritized it back to the end of my list.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:50 am

That explains why the torso length looks OK. a 40 is Ford's size and should have the longer back length on the ToD. If that one has a 23" back it was either special ordered that way or made wrong.

Yes it's quite a different jacket from the others. I really like mine from TN. I keep going back to it and wear it often.

CM · Post by CM » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:36 am

The length is fine. I remember when Peter used to say he made that jacket. He said it was one inch longer than the Raiders jacket, but otherwise identical. Yeah, and Pinocchio's a true story. And ironically nowadays Wested's ToD is the only accurate jacket they do.

Post by **Holt** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:23 am

Great jacket. super screen acurrate.

you could have it in one size up tho.

anyways. congrats!

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:35 pm

Indy's always looked a little tight for him in that movie anyway (especially the closing village scene). You're just going where few have gone before with SAness!

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:42 pm

Take a little rewatch of the village sequences, especially at the end of the movie. There are at least 2 jackets there. They can change from shot to shot.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:48 pm

Kt Templar wrote:Take a little rewatch of the village sequences, especially at the end of the movie. There are at least 2 jackets there. They can change from shot to shot.

???

this needs photos

Noah · Post by **Noah** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:16 pm

theman, that is a really nice TOD jacket!

Post by **Holt** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:20 pm

Kt Templar wrote:Take a little rewatch of the village sequences, especially at the end of the movie. There are at least 2 jackets there. They can change from shot to shot.

yes, I think so too....

one jacket with very short sleeves, short length and trim fit and a longer jacket where he puts the rag in his side pockets.

are these the two you mean?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:54 pm

Have you set your DVD's whirring yet?

Post by **Holt** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:24 am

Hey Dan. is this washed goat (dull) or the soft new finish goat?

theman · Post by **theman** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:05 am

I think it is the standard Goat, I just lightly distressed it down for a better look. Seems to match up with a standard goat I had a few years back. I think washed Goat would be a better route for the ToD actually.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:12 am

I'm pretty sure that that one is a custom sized one. Mine is a 23" back and I'm tiny. The 1st prototype that you can see me wearing on Wested's site is probably 3" longer in the body, as was the NH original. (The sleeves in that shot are rolled up inside the cuffs).

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:28 am

Indiana Holt wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:Take a little rewatch of the village sequences, especially at the end of the movie. There are at least 2 jackets there. They can change from shot to shot.
yes, I think so too....

one jacket with very short sleeves, short length and trim fit and a longer jacket where he puts the rag in his side pockets.

are these the two you mean?

Is one the screen grab you already posted? the un clear one of Indy walking away?

What is the other?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:46 am

RCSignals wrote: the un clear one of Indy walking away?

What is the other?

Nope, watch again.

Much more obviously and in close up.

I don't have my copy of the film to hand so can't take snapshots for you.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:07 pm

I'm not alluding to anything.

There are 2 jackets in those scenes. One with heavily wrinkled arms one with smoother arms. Ford wears the smoother one more in the first sequence when they are talking about the stones, and he wears the wrinkled one more in the end sequence.

The smoother one was the NH jacket IMO.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:33 pm

_ wrote:......
But looking at my DVD, I think you may very well be correct in seeing two jackets...

Two possible jackets of the same pattern.

Post by **Holt** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:52 pm

RCSignals wrote:
_ wrote:......
But looking at my DVD, I think you may very well be correct in seeing two jackets...
Two possible jackets of the same pattern.

Yep. if there is two jackets ( which I think there is) then they have to be from the same pattern.

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:59 am

When I was ordering my last Wested, I was soooooo tempted to get a TOD instead of an LC.
Looking at theman's jacket sort of makes me wish I had.
(Then again, the custom LC I ordered ended up being more like a TOD with bigger sleeves and snaps

)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:36 am

You ordered your LC with small pockets?

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:22 pm

Kt Templar wrote:I'm not alluding to anything.

There are 2 jackets in those scenes. One with heavily wrinkled arms one with smoother arms. Ford wears the smoother one more in the first sequence when they are talking about the stones, and he wears the wrinkled one more in the end sequence.

The smoother one was the NH jacket IMO.

FWIW, for those who track such things, the final shots of the film, with the village thriving, was one of the very first (perhaps THE first) things shot in Sri Lanka. Perhaps the lawyers arrived late with the product placement jackets!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:00 pm

Treadwell wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:I'm not alluding to anything.

There are 2 jackets in those scenes. One with heavily wrinkled arms one with smoother arms. Ford wears the smoother one more in the first sequence when they are talking about the stones, and he wears the wrinkled one more in the end sequence.

The smoother one was the NH jacket IMO.
FWIW, for those who track such things, the final shots of the film, with the village thriving, was one of the very first (perhaps THE first) things shot in Sri Lanka. Perhaps the lawyers arrived late with the product placement jackets!

The jacket(s) in those scenes are still Temple of Doom pattern jackets.

What are these 'product placement' jackets?

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:36 pm

RCSignals wrote:You ordered your LC with small pockets?

No, I didn't order it that way.....but that is what I got.
Definately not enough room in thoose for a grail diary (or my hand)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:56 pm

kwad wrote:
RCSignals wrote:You ordered your LC with small pockets?
No, I didn't order it that way.....but that is what I got.
Definately not enough room in thoose for a grail diary (or my hand)

that needs a photo. It does sound like you have ToD pockets, or a very large Grail diary and baseball mitt hands.

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:05 pm

RC,

Here's a picture of my lamb Raiders next to my Novapelle LC

You can see how much smaller the pockets on the LC are than the Raiders.
In addition, the Raiders has been shrunk in the washing machine so the pockets are a little smaller than when I first got the jacket and they are still over 1/2" longer than the LC and about 1/8" wider.

How big are the pockets on a TOD jacket?

Post by **Holt** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:13 pm

way smaller then those!

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:15 pm

Holt's right that the ToD pockets are smaller but those are way too small for a LC. Did you ask for the X box stitching on the straps?

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:16 pm

Even smaller?
Jeez, I guess the TOD pockets are for show only.

Holt,
I know you've spec'd out an LC (a very nice one by the way), what size were the pockets on yours? I always thought the LC jackets were supposed to have larger pockets than the Raiders.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:32 pm

well, according to the TN raiders which is copied from an original jackets the pockets are 8''x6.5'' which is pretty big. the LC pockets are smaller

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:34 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:well, according to the TN raiders which is copied from an original jackets the pockets are 8''x6.5'' which is pretty big. the LC pockets are smaller

Shorter but wider, correct?

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:45 pm

Mine are 6"x7.5". So I guess they are just too narrow.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:17 am

kwad wrote:Even smaller?
Jeez, I guess the TOD pockets are for show only.

Holt,
I know you've spec'd out an LC (a very nice one by the way), what size were the pockets on yours? I always thought the LC jackets were supposed to have larger pockets than the Raiders.

Here's my Nowak LC thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41103.

I used the specs that Han Jones and Orb had generously posted for their jackets and upsized them a bit for my bigger frame.

The pockets are 8 inches tall by 7.5 inches wide so take away my last post about them being shorter but wider. I'm certainly not a spec expert (by any means) but I think that I got pretty close (again, with a lot of help from those generous enough to post their specs

).

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:31 am

kwad wrote:Mine are 6"x7.5". So I guess they are just too narrow.

Well, you do have to look at the available space on the actual jacket. From the pic it looks like you wear quite a slim chest size?

That said they probably could have made yours even 1/2 wider without it hurting.

There are dangers of measuring one guys pocket from a 42 and trying to relate it to a 36 (for example). It may not fit. If you do an exact in proportion scale down based on width, it may look/be too short. I guest they went with the 'reduce the width but not the height' method, which makes sense to keep the handwarmer as practical as possible.

Is your raiders jacket bigger than your LC? The flap on your LC looks better sized to the pocket.

kwad · Post by **kwad** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:59 am

Kt Templar wrote:
kwad wrote:Mine are 6"x7.5". So I guess they are just too narrow.
Well, you do have to look at the available space on the actual jacket. From the pic it looks like you wear quite a slim chest size?

That said they probably could have made yours even 1/2 wider without it hurting.

There are dangers of measuring one guys pocket from a 42 and trying to relate it to a 36 (for example). It may not fit. If you do an exact in proportion scale down based on width, it may look/be too short. I guest they went with the 'reduce the width but not the height' method, which makes sense to keep the handwarmer as practical as possible.

Is your raiders jacket bigger than your LC? The flap on your LC looks better sized to the pocket.

Hi KT,

Thanks for the complement, but actually, I'm a 44

The Raiders is a 44, but was bought out of the clearance section, and appears to be someones unpaid order/return (I can even see where there used to be a name tag sewn in below the inside pocket). It definately had a few spec changes as it has a V tapered back panel, no inside facings and a full satin line. But it was the fuller, non-80's cut body (definately a Standard Raiders and not he "special offer ROTLA").

I had the LC made to the same dimensions (44 chest, 25 sleeves and 26 back), but It appears to have the 80's cut body as it is (or rather was) MUCH slimmer than my raiders.
I didn't order the 80's cut, but since I've lost about 20 pounds since buying my raiders, it ended up being a good thing (trying to make MYSELF more SA

.

The pockets on the Raiders were originally 6.25" X 8" (a little less now that I shrunk it).

Post by **Holt** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:33 am

yes, the LC is what I call a 80's + cut. which means a very tapered jacket.

theman · Post by **theman** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:36 am

That is interesting... I guess Lucas wasn't about to let that happen to all the jackets and squirreled a couple away.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:23 am

I guest they went with the 'reduce the width but not the height' method, which makes sense to keep the handwarmer as practical as possible.

Since when have we wanted to be practical with this stuff?

Give us impractical SA!

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:39 pm

_ wrote:
Treadwell wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:I'm not alluding to anything.

There are 2 jackets in those scenes. One with heavily wrinkled arms one with smoother arms. Ford wears the smoother one more in the first sequence when they are talking about the stones, and he wears the wrinkled one more in the end sequence.

The smoother one was the NH jacket IMO.[/quote
FWIW, for those who track such things, the final shots of the film, with the village thriving, was one of the very first (perhaps THE first) things shot in Sri Lanka. Perhaps the lawyers arrived late with the product placement jackets!
Maybe Santa Claus delivered them?

Maybe a dog ate the lawyer's plane tickets?

The lawyers did the job they did because they are highly paid professionals enforcing a multi-million dollar contract. Sitting on the sidelines, any fool can assume-away anything - but it only verifies that they are a fool...

_, this was completely uncalled for. I made no assumptions nor did I say anything contrary to the lawyers being highly paid professionals, etc. I was simply providing a production chronology factoid in case it might have been of use for the discussion, with a lighthearted button at the end. You've been wound rather tightly of late...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:10 pm

Treadwell wrote: _, this was completely uncalled for. I made no assumptions nor did I say anything contrary to the lawyers being highly paid professionals, etc. I was simply providing a production chronology factoid in case it might have been of use for the discussion, with a lighthearted button at the end. You've been wound rather tightly of late...

Treadwell this is what you wrote quoted below. It certainly is not clear what you meant. It reads to me and I suspect it did to _ that you were suggesting the village scenes at the end which were shot first don't actually contain any 'ToD' jackets because they hadn't yet been delivered.
What is a "lightheated button" all I see at the end is an exclamation mark.

Treadwell wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:I'm not alluding to anything.

There are 2 jackets in those scenes. One with heavily wrinkled arms one with smoother arms. Ford wears the smoother one more in the first sequence when they are talking about the stones, and he wears the wrinkled one more in the end sequence.

The smoother one was the NH jacket IMO.
FWIW, for those who track such things, the final shots of the film, with the village thriving, was one of the very first (perhaps THE first) things shot in Sri Lanka. Perhaps the lawyers arrived late with the product placement jackets!

theman · Post by **theman** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:42 pm

Yes, I believe "charm" is exactly the word most people are thinking of when you are involved.

Sorry P, couldn't resist that one!

Post by **Holt** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:57 pm

knock it of!

Post by **Holt** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:23 pm

cleaned out.

as I said. knock it of guys.

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:48 pm

A good Wolverine jacket is something I would love to add to add to my wardrobe. please feel free to share.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:26 pm

scot2525 wrote:A good Wolverine jacket is something I would love to add to add to my wardrobe. please feel free to share.

You need to check out the various Wolverine threads in the movie jacket section at Filmjackets.com. Dan offers some great choices if you're looking for a Wolverine jacket.

theman · Post by **theman** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:24 pm

Uh-oh, did I miss a mess of stuff in here over the past day or what?

P- i'd be glad to! As crismans and many others know that is among my favorites.
All - I don't want to clutter this thread with wolve gear but if there is another better spot out here i'd be happy to post all kinds of stuff. Already have plenty out the on therpf and filmjackets too if any frequent those.

Treadwell · Post by **Treadwell** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:57 pm

_ wrote:Lol! Your comment was lame, and I called it. Don't compound it with even more "lameness." Silence was your best choice of strategy - really..

As to my state of being wound? Man, that comment just solidifies a lack of observaton ability. I'm always like this. It's part of my charm.

I don't find your rudeness a sound strategy myself.