This is exactly what Peter claimed...

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:18 pm

The sad thing is that, if he made 4 jackets that were used in Raiders as you believe, then that is plenty to be proud of and use as a selling point. The continued misinformation from his camp has not only muddied the waters concerning the jacket's history almost beyond comprehension, it has also hurt his reputation to the point that even what he may have actually achieved is questioned. It's the "boy who cried wolf" on hyperdrive.

And the recent debacle with the Layer Cake jacket on another forum shows that there are no lessons learned either.

Indywannabe · Post by **Indywannabe** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:47 am

What is it the thread author wants us to discuss exactly?

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:54 am

Indywannabe wrote:What is it the thread author wants us to discuss exactly?

Discuss? there was some uncertainty about what Peter actually claimed "back in the day" so _ dug it up for us

Regards, Geert

Post by **Michaelson** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:56 am

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45709

Read through this one again. I believe this is just a comparison of what has been claimed since 1998 (note the date of the message), and what was done as discussed in the link above.

A lot of folks aren't aware of what has been sent to potential buyers all these years.

Regards! Michaelson

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:00 pm

I do remember reading something to that effect (if not word for word) on the Wested site when I bought my first Indy jacket.

If this is true (and I have little reason to doubt _), then that's really a shame. I really do love some of my Westeds... What I regard as my 'favorite' leather jacket is a Wested, and they'll always have the distinction of getting me hooked on leather jackets, and for getting involved in this forum in the first place. This is just too bad about the whole thing.

Post by **Mike** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:01 pm

Just to be clear, _'s only reporting the email statement. The original email quoted here wasn't sent to him. Though many just like it were sent to just about all us old timers.

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:44 pm

you know...this is what I get for dropping off the face of the Earth for months at a time....

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:45 pm

Hey...who let THIS guy in?!

HEY DAWG!!!!

HIGH regard! Michaelson

Post by **Mike** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:45 pm

Look who crawled out from under his rock!

OK, this post needs some kind of award now.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:59 pm

Man, don't you just HATE those 'drive by postings'.

Regards! Michaelson

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:31 pm

Hey, hey, hey, now, fellas....I just heard some distant rumblings from the hills and dales, far and wide....it got me to wonderin' just what it might be. So, I had to come take a look! And I have to say, I am quite intrigued to say the least!

I knew I could count on a "warm" reception, though! So....honestly....what's new?

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:37 pm

That was a joke....

Good GRIEF have I got some reading up to do! Seems the whole world is turned inside-out and upside-down!

Anyway...._ is on the right track, it seems to me, as well. Oddly enough, and no I have had NO real idea you guys were up to any of this level of discussion about the jackets, but I've been re-watching ALL the movies very carefully over the last month or so just trying to iron out all the inconsistencies...., having, of course, been privy to SOME of the story from SOME of the people.

Looks like I really did "feel a disturbance in the force."

Good work, and I'm going to have to dive in head-first on this one. Somebody give me a job...something to research....I need a mission!

High Regards, guys!
Back in a bit!

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:41 pm

To those of you who don't know Indy Dawg, he's one of our original ORIGINAL jacket researchers and past staff members here at COW. It's always good to see him when he surfaces. We need give him a heavier rock to swim with though, boys.

He's not kidding. If you have anything you want to toss his way for research, go for it. I bet he has notes to go with it.

...and as for a 'warm reception'.....

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:28 pm

Yeah, at least _ is leaving his brass knuckles in his gym bag before he comes on the floor now. He's really mellowed out over the years.

Regards! Michaelson

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:53 pm

Dang, it's good to be back around....and good to see you guys haven't changed...too much

.

Ok, _-You've never been an apologist-you MUST have mellowed out! I've never minded turning over the rocks, or dealing with what's underneath-at least as long as it wasn't snakes. I've never minded worrying whether someone was or wasn't pleased by the truth...as long as I knew it to be the truth.

So, I guess my only question is, what do you know to be true? Anything else is white noise.

And, yes, Michaelson- I plan on bein' around for a good, long, while...at least until I get tossed out of the joint. So-please, folks....I'm not as sharp as _ OR Michaelson (or most people, for that matter), but I do, indeed, have notes to compare and contrast, and what "old-school" knowledge is still rattling around in this cranium of mine.

It's just good to be here! Somebody get me a drink....make it a whiskey!
Later!
Indydawg

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:29 pm

Indeed!

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:22 pm

Oh SNAP! What up, Dawg? Old Skool Indy in da hood.

What made you come up to the surface for some air at this particular time?

Ironic that I was just reading over some old posts (yours mixed in of course) today in the Indyfan vaults. Absolutely astonishing how the attitudes and opinions of some old skool members are so drastically different than they were back in the day. I guess time allows some people to forget some things they did and wrote. What it must have been like to be a "...fly on the wall..."

What bottle of liquer you been dragging around with you lately?

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:03 am

"please, you guys. I just cleaend up again.

keep it civil!"

Who? Me?

Not to worry...I'm not here to start anything...really.

"Ironic that I was just reading over some old posts (yours mixed in of course) today in the Indyfan vaults. Absolutely astonishing how the attitudes and opinions of some old skool members are so drastically different than they were back in the day. I guess time allows some people to forget some things they did and wrote. What it must have been like to be a "...fly on the wall..."

What bottle of liquer you been dragging around with you lately?"

Honestly, I really have been finally having some leisure time recently and started about a month go (with NO knowledge of the rumblings going on here) re-watching the movies with a mind to getting back into the quest for the perfect jacket. Lo and behold things are even more complicated now than they were way back when! But...that does make for interesting research.

Was and always have been a bourbon man...primarily anyway...

And yeah, _-it has been a very long time. Yes....I do believe that was his name....no love lost there. I can't even remember the other guy's name....

All these years later....my vintage cowhide Expedition and Aero HH A-2 are the only leather jackets I still have....I've just been in hibernation (hibernation sicknes really IS a #$%^), waiting for the right time to resurface.

I'll be looking for your PM...

Good to talk with you guys!
Later on!
Indydwg

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:38 pm

there is also this, from indyfan.com

The Jacket
Peter Botwright, wested@compuserve.com, of Wested Leather writes...
"May I confirm that it was my company which made the jackets for Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones in the Raiders films. I still have the original patterns and specifications which date back to 1980. I was originaly commissioned by Bermans and Nathan Costumiers to make the jacket which was one of my designs dramatically altered to fit the requirements of the film's designer and of course Mr. Harrison Ford himself. Over the three Raiders films I made a total of 48 jackets covering the stunt men, stand-ins and Harrison Ford, for whom we had made jackets before. Lucasfilms have licenced companies to make copies of the jacket but they are only poor imitations as I have always kept the original design. I can supply to you an original specification duplicate of the exact jacket worn by Harrison Ford."
X Wested Leather Co.
335/5 Ordnance Road
Enfield, EN3 6HE
England

Phone: 1992-762-946
Fax: 1992-700-476
(From U.S., use prefix: 011-44)

Price: £140 + £15 post/pac or US $249 + $26 S/H
Mastercard, Visa or by cheque.

Sizes: 38-46 regular or long (please include your height and any special sizing)
Delivery: Dispatched 14 days from order plus post time.Thanks, Dale Dassel

Many forum members have purchased these jackets and are extremely pleased with them. For more on this see Indy's Diggs-Jacket

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:11 pm

Dang! Dale Dassel....

"Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time...a LONG time!"

He came and visited my house once...brought four or five jackets, three whips (one MAGNIFICENT David Morgan 10 ft), and we commenced to disturbing the neighborhood (lived in a fairly upscale subdivision then)...Indiana Joe was there with us, too....anybody know where he is? Good guy...

Man, that just seems so long ago now.

I'm going to bed, now....

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:20 pm

D#$N skippy on that one!

Sigh....

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:03 am

Indyfan sure is a shot of nostalgia to me now.... I remember eagerly awaiting visiting the forum, as soon as my dial-up was finally finished connecting. Blazing-fast 56k.... Those were the days!

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:31 am

Yep, Indy Diggs, run by Max Schulte, most content supplied by me, and owned by Mike Davis of Phoenix, AZ. Mike flat disappeared from radar never to be heard from again, unless he changed names and went underground in the hobby.

Max was around for a few years afterwards, then HE completely disappeared from the hobby. I do not know what happened to Max. He and I corresponded almost daily, then....nothing. He was located in Germany.

Old Dale is still right here, and writes under the name whipwarrior.

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=64

Regards! Michaelson

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:19 pm

Man....when you frame it that way....dang I feel old!

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:25 pm

Sorry bud, and it ain't gonna get any better from here on out either.

Regards! Michaelson

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:43 pm

Oh, no....I'm fighting every step of the way!!!!

SkyChief · Post by **SkyChief** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:40 pm

Sounds like there's a rich and even turbulent history to this online fan-dom that most of us relative newcomers are unaware of. Makes you wonder why some fans from "the old days" are still active posters, and why some have gone the way of the proverbial dodo. Internet forums inherently bring occasional drama, it goes with the territory. I'm sure many of us newcomers would get a kick out of hearing more stories and tales of those who came before us. Occasional drama isn't always a bad thing. I don't doubt that some good even came from past skirmishes.

SkyChief · Post by **SkyChief** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:42 pm

_ wrote:Drama? Nope - pretty dull around here...

Maybe things are calmer nowadays? You mentioned a freak up above who used to cause drama? Luckily people on the board now aren't as troublemakery (I just made up a word).

Flyderf · Post by **Flyderf** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:58 pm

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:23 pm

This all highlights an important thing. Much as this site is fun, it’s also about helping fans to the truth so that when they make a choice to buy a jacket (or whatever) they can have all the correct information in order to buy wisely. I would have bought G&B right away if I knew 7 years ago what I know now.

I never expected in my more naive days that a vendor would cheerfully, knowingly tell us things that were inaccurate. I was astonished. Not any more. Now whenever there’s news, I know to wait a bit and watch for the real story to gradually emerge.

Canada Jones · Post by **Canada Jones** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:23 am

_. Thanks for what I consider a high compliment. This just made my night.

best
Canada

Post by **Indiana Jeff** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:02 am

SkyChief wrote:Sounds like there's a rich and even turbulent history to this online fan-dom that most of us relative newcomers are unaware of. Makes you wonder why some fans from "the old days" are still active posters, and why some have gone the way of the proverbial dodo. Internet forums inherently bring occasional drama, it goes with the territory. I'm sure many of us newcomers would get a kick out of hearing more stories and tales of those who came before us. Occasional drama isn't always a bad thing. I don't doubt that some good even came from past skirmishes.

I don't know, SkyChief, you've been a member since 2004, that's pretty old by internet standards.

In terms of tales of yore, jump to the earliest pages of any section and read through those old threads. There's interesting stuff in there with, at the time, new discoveries and new vendor offerings.

The Archives is also a great place to read through history and those can be very pertinent since those threads were deemed important enough to specifically archive.

Finally, if you have the time, click on the indyfan.com link at the top of the page for some real old time fun.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

CM · Post by CM » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:28 am

Canada Jones wrote:_. Thanks for what I consider a high compliment. This just made my night.
best
Canada

Me too, _. Only over here you've just made my day... (not a Dirty Harry quote - a fact of geography)

I have found this site very rewarding and really value its committment to the facts and its access (ususally through _) to the actual players who crafted the story we love so much.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:41 am

Yeah, I don't really understand it. It's like the childhood game of whispering into someone's ear, and by the time it gets around, its nearly a completely different story, or a mushroom cloud...? At the very least, the hero jacket and three stuntmen's jackets were made and usable for the movie. Why wasn't that good enough?

We may or may not never know the complete truth, but at least, efforts have been made to pare it down, significantly.

SkyChief · Post by **SkyChief** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:16 pm

Indiana Jeff wrote:I don't know, SkyChief, you've been a member since 2004, that's pretty old by internet standards.

Ahh yes, but judging by how far back IndyGear and IndyFan go, 2004 is but a blink of an eye.

_ wrote:...we have a mix of very strong snd smart people who bring to the equation different temperaments. These differences sometime result in friction, but I believe everyone comes by their skills honestly. This makes us strong.

This is a refreshing ideal when it comes to online forums. I've been a member at other forums where differing viewpoints often get one labeled a troublemaker or worse. Mob mentalities have set in at other places when the masses don't like the ideas of a minority group. I like your take on it though, _. Our differences make us stronger. When the dust settles, we ought to be able to share a beer or two, and not worry about whether we'll be allowed back in at all. It's nice to have found a place where people don't have to fear rocking the boat.

Long John Tinfoil · Post by **Long John Tinfoil** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:30 pm

Well, since the boat principally associated with this gang is the Queen Mary, it takes a lot to really rock it much.

LJ

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:20 pm

Oh...I don't know. An occasionally public hanging seems to cheer folks up every so often.

Post by **Dr. Nebraska S.** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:52 pm

_ wrote:Witch! Witch! Burn!

She turned me into a newt!

Well, I got better...

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:54 pm

Anyone need a match?

SkyChief · Post by **SkyChief** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:27 pm

I hope you guys are joking about the burning of witches and public hangings. Either that, or maybe this place isn't so different than the other forums I've left for aforementioned reasons?

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:33 pm

We only burn witches on Tuesday... and hang Charlatans on Wednesday... unless they are named Charlotte, then we have a deal with North Carolina in which we have to use a proxy... sorry technicalities.

Other than that, and the fact that we are stitch Nazi's to the T... we're just like every other site.

And 1 small question, nothing big

...do you float?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:43 pm

It also depends if you have a sense of humor. We only burn witches who don't have a sense of humor.

Hey, TS, tomorrow is Thursday! You know what that means, right? IT'S TAR AND FEATHER DAY!!! $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:56 pm

I just have one thing to say....

"More...weight!"

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:05 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:It also depends if you have a sense of humor. We only burn witches who don't have a sense of humor.

Hey, TS, tomorrow is Thursday! You know what that means, right? IT'S TAR AND FEATHER DAY!!! $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

SWEET!!!

Heretics and left handed midgets!!!!!!
$\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

I love Thursdays!!!!

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:14 pm

I'm glad I'm not a midget!

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:18 pm

"Missed it by THAT much"

Indydawg · Post by **Indydawg** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:18 pm

I KNEW I shouldn't have wished for a twelve inch pianist....

Long John Tinfoil · Post by **Long John Tinfoil** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:20 pm

But if you're the shortest guy in the room...

LJ

Hollowpond · Post by **Hollowpond** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:28 pm

What was this thread about again?

This last page reads like a groucho marx script

TS is Groucho, Bink is Chico, and _ is Harpo!

TS: Now, what is it that has four pairs of pants, lives in Philadelphia, and it never rains but it pours?
Bink: Atsa good one. I give you three guesses.
TS: Now let me see. Has four pair of pants, lives in Philadelphia... Is it male or female?
Bink: No, I no think so.
TS: Is he dead?
Bink: Who?
TS: I don't know. I give up.
Bink: I give up, too.
_: "honk, honk"

Travis

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:29 pm