New Todd's Standard All Wrong

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:59 pm

Hi.

First of all this is my first post. Nice to meet you all. Been an Indy fan since before grade school. Senior in college now. My fandom was put to task with the atrocity that was the 4th movie but now, after a year-long hiatus from most things Indy, I'm back full-swing and as obsessed as I ever was...

Been putting together the Indy Gear. Bought lots of stuff from Todd and been extremely pleased... up until now. Just got the jacket and it simply doesn't fit at all. And it's not the measurements...

I really think this is just cut wrong, so here are some pics to see if others agree. To me the collar seems to be the worst offender. It wears wide and hikes way up my neck. The shoulder seam sits behind and down my back and the back tends to flare out... It's... bizarre.

I took some pictures and compared it to another member's here on the board (I hope he doesn't mind me reposting his pics)

Mine...

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/ ... CN2866.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/ ... CN2867.jpg

Beaverlid's

http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv30 ... C_0020.jpg
http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv30 ... C_0021.jpg

Don't want to make it sound like I'm knocking on Todd. Been truly, truly impressed with everything I've bought from him up until now and will continue to buy from him. Just wanted to make sure I'm not losing my mind and that this jacket is cut poorly before I go ahead and decide a course of action (exchange, return, get a Wested... etc).

Thoughts?

And again, nice to meet you all.

Forrest For the Trees · Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:12 am

That looks really weird. Unlike any others I have seen on this board. What size is that?

I'd say give Todd a call, send him pictures, and he should set it straight.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:16 am

It's hard to say without seeing the jacket on you, but it sounds like it just needs to break in to your shape and drape on you like it should.

Mine fit kinda similar, but Todd steamed it for me while in his shop and the neck/collar fit better, and the drape along the back.

I think that's the reason why so many people recommend taking a warm shower with the jacket on, then wearing it until it dries so it can mold to your frame/shoulder/back/chest/gut/waist.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:17 am

Forrest For the Trees wrote:That looks really weird. Unlike any others I have seen on this board. What size is that?

I'd say give Todd a call, send him pictures, and he should set it straight.

It's a small. I'm 5'3", about 110lb.

As for taking a shower with it... doesn't sound like the best idea if I'm gonna end up returning it...

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:20 am

Forrest For the Trees wrote:That looks really weird. Unlike any others I have seen on this board.

It doesn't look strange to me. it looks like a new leather jacket that's been folded into a bag since it was made, and is formed into a square of the plastic bag rather than to a hanger or an actual human being. It probably just needs to be broken in a little.

Maybe wear it in a steamy room...

Forrest For the Trees · Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:25 am

I don't know. Maybe the proportions are just off because it is a size small. The collar seems odd, as does the the shape of the yoke and placement of the straps.

But whatever, if it doesn't fit well, then just send it back.

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:40 am

I've told you my thoughts on this elsewhere, but, welcome to COW, BaptisteTheFool! "Come for the gear, stay for the people," or something like that...

Jack

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:44 am

Forrest For the Trees wrote:I don't know. Maybe the proportions are just off because it is a size small. The collar seems odd, as does the the shape of the yoke and placement of the straps.

But whatever, if it doesn't fit well, then just send it back.

Sure, but I think my real concern is... what then? Is this a manufacturing error or am I just ill-proportioned for Todd's jacket period? Would I have better luck with a Wested? Etc.

Anyway, here's a bunch of pics of me wearing the jacket... I didn't quite manage to capture the peculiar bulge it gets around the back, but...

http://raven.theraider.net/showpost.php ... stcount=59

Thoughts?

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:55 am

It looks almost like a large collar was used for a small jacket. The back view also looks a bit lopsided, unless that's a trick of the camera. The front and side views look pretty good, in my opinion.

Jack

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:00 am

Edited the gallery link with two more photos illustrating what I think is poor placement of the shoulder seam.

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:09 am

When you show your photos to Todd, he should be able to see exactly what the problem is and what needs to be done about it. I don't think you need to worry about him setting it right for you, whether you want an exchange or a refund.

Jack

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:34 am

There does seem to be something off on your jacket, but I can't tell immediately what it is. Like's been said, I'm sure Todd can look and tell you (and he'll definitely make whatever it is right). The collar looks odd for one thing but I'm not sure if it's just stiff and needs to be worked some. I've not seen a standard with that collar look before but most owners have shown off the jacket after showering it or other types of break in process.

As to the shoulder seam, it seems about right. Look at this picture:

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ns/r47.jpg

Yours might fall a little back of this one but it is certainly in the right area.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:41 am

crismans wrote:There does seem to be something off on your jacket, but I can't tell immediately what it is. Like's been said, I'm sure Todd can look and tell you (and he'll definitely make whatever it is right). The collar looks odd for one thing but I'm not sure if it's just stiff and needs to be worked some. I've not seen a standard with that collar look before but most owners have shown off the jacket after showering it or other types of break in process.

As to the shoulder seam, it seems about right. Look at this picture:

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ns/r47.jpg

Yours might fall a little back of this one but it is certainly in the right area.

Yeah, the seam doesn't look so bad when compared to Ford's jacket. But in my perusing of the site, I've been comparing to other Todd's. From Indiana Holt's Todd's--

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... 5952-2.jpg

His seems to sit a bit nearer to the shoulders unless I'm imagining things. And also... that collar again just seems a lot smaller, or somehow different. Can't quite place it myself.

I'm drafting an email to Todd though.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:30 am

Looking at the links to your photos at the raider, I agree that while the jacket is smaller, the jacket collar appears to remain larger in proportion and I would add that the same appears to be going on with the pockets as well.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:34 am

As has been stated it mostly looks too 'new'. The jacket looks like it has been folded flat and has stiffness. You need to wear it, get the leather to ease, mold to you and I think it's going to be fine. The shoulder seem of the jacket does not follow the center of the shoulder, that's natural for these.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:41 am

bigrex wrote:Looking at the links to your photos on the raider, I agree that while the jacket is smaller, the jacket collar appears to remain larger in proportion and I would add that the same appears to be going on with the pockets as well.

I was actually just thinking the same about the pockets-- that they were a little large in proportion to the jacket...

Hmmm... Guess I'll have to wait and see what Todd says.

I appreciate everyone taking a look and putting in their thoughts.

hocfutue · Post by **hocfutue** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:40 am

I'm not really seeing a jacket construction issue in the pics, but then I'm not a Jacket Guru.

It could be that a Small is still too big for you. How does it look with the buckles tightened up? Zipped up?

Their customer service is great. When I bought a Large, the sleeves hung way down on me, as well. Todd and his crew very quickly and considerately took back the large, and replaced it with a Medium.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:51 am

hocfutue wrote:I'm not really seeing a jacket construction issue in the pics, but then I'm not a Jacket Guru.

It could be that a Small is still too big for you. How does it look with the buckles tightened up? Zipped up?

Their customer service is great. When I bought a Large, the sleeves hung way down on me, as well. Todd and his crew very quickly and considerately took back the large, and replaced it with a Medium.

I'll grab some pics in the morning with the buckles tighter. Though I did tighten them up a bit before snapping the pics I already posted.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:57 am

crismans wrote:The collar looks odd for one thing but I'm not sure if it's just stiff and needs to be worked some. I've not seen a standard with that collar look before but most owners have shown off the jacket after showering it or other types of break in process.

My collar did the same thing when I first got it. It also hung farther back on the shoulder. Todd steamed the collar for me and worked it a little and then it was fine. And just wearing the jacket and pulling it to where I wanted it to hang, it now hangs there...kinda funny how that works...

BaptisteTheFool wrote:

Yeah, the seam doesn't look so bad when compared to Ford's jacket. But in my perusing of the site, I've been comparing to other Todd's. From Indiana Holt's Todd's--

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... 5952-2.jpg

His seems to sit a bit nearer to the shoulders unless I'm imagining things. And also... that collar again just seems a lot smaller, or somehow different. Can't quite place it myself.

Well, Holt is a pretty big guy, so things look waaaaaaaaaaaaay different proportioned on him than they do the rest of us...

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:21 am

The "oversized collar" effect may just be a misperception caused by the sharpness of the crease. It could be that the jacket just needs some loosening up, as others have said.

I'm sure Todd will solve the mystery.

Jack

djd · Post by **djd** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:24 am

Yes, as others have said it kind of looks out of proportion - due to the small size of the jacket compared to the collar and pockets. Mind you, to me the pockets on some of the TN's I've seen look rather large on some smaller jackets too...

TheExit148 · Post by **TheExit148** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:23 am

The shoulder seam on a Raiders jacket is SUPPOSED to be far back like it is. My Nowak Raiders jacket has that, and its part of the "off the shoulder" look the Raiders jacket has. As for the collar, looking at it in the pictures it looks like there is something extra underneath the collar at the back, roll it up and see what is going on there or even take some pictures to show that.
The back of my jacket flares out a bit too when worn right at my neck, but when its off the shoulder or zipped, no back flare. I don't think there is anything really wrong with it personally (other then maybe the collar if there is something weird going on there), just looks like a brand new Raiders jacket that needs some breaking in. But you are the customer and if you need to be happy with the product you purchased. And if there is issues with the jacket that Todd sees, he will sort it out for you I'm sure. He has great customer service.

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:30 am

It looks simply ill-fitting to me Baptiste.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating.... There's something weird about the way a lot of the latest batch of Todd's were constructed. The new "L" was too small in some spots, and grabbed really bad at my biceps (which I felt was mostly because of the combination of the "Raiders" high yoke, and the back arm seam meeting the bottom seam of the yoke. The sleeve felt twisted in an odd way.) I sent that back, and exchanged it for an "XL" which was simply too big, and still somewhat odd-fitting. In retrospect I almost wonder if the first "L" was actually a mislabeled "M". Anyway, with the shipping it back on my end, and the shipping/restock fee on their end, I decided to just distress the snot out of the thing and use it for a display piece for my whips to sit on. Too bad too, the leather was really nice.

Since then I've tracked down a bunch of the older Todd's. Of the older ones, I can wear either an "XL" or a "XXL" (or as one of them was labeled "2XL"

) and either size fits superbly. It's interesting to see some of the changes in leathers and hardware these jackets have gone through. I now have a couple of the older ones with nickel zips, which is what it looks like Holt got.

I'm not knocking Todd either. I love the shirts, my Downtowner, and all of my old Todd's jackets. I think because of the problems with the current ones, the next batch might be the closest jackets we've seen yet to the "Raiders" jacket as it looks on screen. If so, I won't hesitate to buy another.

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:42 am

There seems to be something odd about that collar

Can't put my finger on it though. maybe just stiffness? The shoulder seam sits exactly where it should though: that's a peculiarity of the Raiders jacket's design.

What I do see in those pics is that you have the side straps cinched up way too tight: this will actually cause the back to flare out more. Counter intuitive, I know, but that's my experience.

Regards, Geert

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:34 am

There is nothing wrong with that jacket. It has the makings of a great fit, once you get it broken in. The Raiders jacket collar was a wider width, sort of like the style back in the late 70's early 80's. The photo of your back to the camera looks just a fit. It just needs to be broken in. Buy some leather lotion from Wilson's, or another that may be close by, and apply it all over the jacket. You'll be amazed at how the leather will develop body and the folds will relax. Try it and see. The shoulder seams meet the sleeve seams. This is indicative of the newest run from the factory, and after market Westeds' were made like this for years.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:21 pm

gwyddion wrote:There seems to be something odd about that collar Can't put my finger on it though. maybe just stiffness? The shoulder seam sits exactly where it should though: that's a peculiarity of the Raiders jacket's design.

What I do see in those pics is that you have the side straps cinched up way too tight: this will actually cause the back to flare out more. Counter intuitive, I know, but that's my experience.

Regards, Geert

Definitely going to say it's not that they're cinched too tight. The jacket flares out considerably worse when it's loosened to the length it had when I first pulled it out of the bag. It's not too much tighter than that now.

...still waiting on Todd...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:45 pm

djd it's not nice to make fun of B(r)ink's size

djd · Post by **djd** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:48 pm

I mentioned no names..... I'm just saying that when the person wearing the jacket can actually climb into one of it's pockets, the pockets are probably too big for the jacket

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:46 pm

Well, to my eyes the collar in this photo is 3/4 as high as the remaining width on the shoulder past the collar, and the pocket is approaching the height of the rest of the upper portion of the chest from the top of the pocket to the tip of the collar, just really extreme, and no offense, but I can't believe some of you don't see this.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:53 pm

bigrex wrote:...

Care to elaborate on your ellipses?

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:24 pm

I don't know, Rex. I'm waffling horribly on this jacket. At first, the collar was throwing me but, now, I think that if it was worked to get rid of that new stiffness, you could go a long way to getting this look:

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/032.jpg

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/148.jpg

However, now the pockets are bugging me. Look at where Baptiste's pockets start in relation to his chest vs. where Indy's pockets start on his jacket.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/119.jpg

The pockets on that jacket look way too tall. Like they took an XL pockets and put them on a small jacket.

And none of this should be taken as a knock on Todd on my part. I love his products and enjoy talking with him. But, he's somewhat at the mercy of his factory.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:31 pm

crismans wrote:

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/148.jpg

Crismans,

Good photos, however in my mind the collar is already taking up a fair amount of the shoulder width even though it is also still sticking up at this point, if it were worn and distressed like in these photos. I would fear it would gain another inch or two on each side flairing out across the shoulders and maybe be even beyond what we see in the photos there, (collars shoulder to shoulder is an exaggeration, but it would kind of look like that).

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:47 pm

I would almost guess that pocket size, storm flap width, collar width, etc, are all standard in dimensions, and not reduced or enlarged on a ratio, the measurements that are not standard are those measurements that make a person small, med or large (front panels, back panels, chest, etc).

The pockets might look a little big, but probably because they measure what the screen jackets pockets were, but HF was wearing a larger sized jacket so the proportions look - at least to what we envision as "accurate" - look more correct.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:51 pm

RaidersBash wrote:I would almost guess that pocket size, storm flap width, collar width, etc, are all standard in dimensions, and not reduced or enlarged on a ratio, the measurements that are not standard are those measurements that make a person small, med or large (front panels, back panels, chest, etc).

The pockets might look a little big, but probably because they measure what the screen jackets pockets were, but HF was wearing a larger sized jacket so the proportions look - at least to what we envision as "accurate" - look more correct.

I'd say that you've nailed it on this point. I meant to post that maybe the pocket sizes weren't staggered but were all matched to what Ford's jackets pockets were, but I forgot to include that

. I'd say to avoid this (from any maker), you'd have to go custom to downsize the pockets.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:57 pm

crismans wrote:
RaidersBash wrote:I would almost guess that pocket size, storm flap width, collar width, etc, are all standard in dimensions, and not reduced or enlarged on a ratio, the measurements that are not standard are those measurements that make a person small, med or large (front panels, back panels, chest, etc).

The pockets might look a little big, but probably because they measure what the screen jackets pockets were, but HF was wearing a larger sized jacket so the proportions look - at least to what we envision as "accurate" - look more correct.
I'd say that you've nailed it on this point. I meant to post that maybe the pocket sizes weren't staggered but were all matched to what Ford's jackets pockets were, but I forgot to include that . I'd say to avoid this (from any maker), you'd have to go custom to downsize the pockets.

That can't really be right, can it? It just doesn't figure to me that things won't be scaled to fit. I mean a large collar is going to look absurdly large if it's not proportionate to the rest of the jacket, am I wrong?

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:16 pm

BaptisteTheFool wrote:
crismans wrote:
RaidersBash wrote:I would almost guess that pocket size, storm flap width, collar width, etc, are all standard in dimensions, and not reduced or enlarged on a ratio, the measurements that are not standard are those measurements that make a person small, med or large (front panels, back panels, chest, etc).

The pockets might look a little big, but probably because they measure what the screen jackets pockets were, but HF was wearing a larger sized jacket so the proportions look - at least to what we envision as "accurate" - look more correct.
I'd say that you've nailed it on this point. I meant to post that maybe the pocket sizes weren't staggered but were all matched to what Ford's jackets pockets were, but I forgot to include that . I'd say to avoid this (from any maker), you'd have to go custom to downsize the pockets.

That can't really be right, can it? It just doesn't figure to me that things won't be scaled to fit. I mean a large collar is going to look absurdly large if it's not proportionate to the rest of the jacket, am I wrong?

I don't think the pockets look too big. They seem to hit almost were mine hit on my standard, but mine also hangs farther past my waistline.

I honestly think the jacket looks fine, it just needs to be broken in.

The quickest way, I would suggest, without risking anything to the jacket:

1. Dress how you want to wear it, with a sweater underneath or whatever, and ZIP IT UP.
2. Go into the bathroom and close up the doors and windows.
3. Open the shower door and leave it open.
4. Crank up the hot water in the shower.
5. Hang out in the bathroom for as long as there is "STEAM"
6. Move around while you're "STEAMING" the jacket, so it loosens up and "learns" how to hang on your frame.

15 minutes of a "steam" treatment will help and won't do any irreparable damage.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:18 pm

RaidersBash wrote:
BaptisteTheFool wrote:
crismans wrote:
RaidersBash wrote:I would almost guess that pocket size, storm flap width, collar width, etc, are all standard in dimensions, and not reduced or enlarged on a ratio, the measurements that are not standard are those measurements that make a person small, med or large (front panels, back panels, chest, etc).

The pockets might look a little big, but probably because they measure what the screen jackets pockets were, but HF was wearing a larger sized jacket so the proportions look - at least to what we envision as "accurate" - look more correct.
I'd say that you've nailed it on this point. I meant to post that maybe the pocket sizes weren't staggered but were all matched to what Ford's jackets pockets were, but I forgot to include that . I'd say to avoid this (from any maker), you'd have to go custom to downsize the pockets.

That can't really be right, can it? It just doesn't figure to me that things won't be scaled to fit. I mean a large collar is going to look absurdly large if it's not proportionate to the rest of the jacket, am I wrong?

I don't think the pockets look too big. They seem to hit almost were mine hit on my standard, but mine also hangs farther past my waistline.

I honestly think the jacket looks fine, it just needs to be broken in.

The quickest way, I would suggest, without risking anything to the jacket:

1. Dress how you want to wear it, with a sweater underneath or whatever, and ZIP IT UP.
2. Go into the bathroom and close up the doors and windows.
3. Open the shower door and leave it open.
4. Crank up the hot water in the shower.
5. Hang out in the bathroom for as long as there is "STEAM"
6. Move around while you're "STEAMING" the jacket, so it loosens up and "learns" how to hang on your frame.

15 minutes of a "steam" treatment will help and won't do any irreparable damage.

Eh... Todd's return policy is "new" condition. I can't imagine he'd take it back if I tried that...

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:36 pm

Baptiste that jacket doesn't fit right. The pockets may be mis-sized too. I'd sent it back to Todd and maybe ask him if it is worth trying another of the same size.

This is a medium that I had, it fit well enough and I am slightly shorter than you even. The top of the pleats flared out a bit but I did not get the belling that you have at the waist. I also don't like the top seam of the yoke place that far back. I prefer it to be at the top of the shoulder.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:41 pm

I also don't like the top seam of the yoke place that far back. I prefer it to be at the top of the shoulder

wow, that is one of the details I look for in a raiders jacket. Todd has replicated that perfectly. only TN has this too. obviously.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:46 pm

bigrex wrote:Well, to my eyes the collar in this photo is 3/4 as high as the remaining width on the shoulder past the collar, and the pocket is approaching the height of the rest of the upper portion of the chest from the top of the pocket to the tip of the collar, just really extreme, and no offense, but I can't believe some of you don't see this.

well if that is your jacket then I think can tell by the look of it that the details like pockets and collar is standard specs. meaning untouched and are a little to big for the smaller size.

but I wouldnt worrie about it. you colalr looks like the one raiders jacket with the larger and pointier collar.

one other thing. the leather looks thickish... is it?

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:53 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:
bigrex wrote:Well, to my eyes the collar in this photo is 3/4 as high as the remaining width on the shoulder past the collar, and the pocket is approaching the height of the rest of the upper portion of the chest from the top of the pocket to the tip of the collar, just really extreme, and no offense, but I can't believe some of you don't see this.

well if that is your jacket then I think can tell by the look of it that the details like pockets and collar is standard specs. meaning untouched and are a little to big for the smaller size.

but I wouldnt worrie about it. you colalr looks like the one raiders jacket with the larger and pointier collar.

one other thing. the leather looks thickish... is it?

The leather's actually really pretty thick, yeah. Thicker than I expected anyway, though nowhere near as thick as my old Avirex A2.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:19 pm

Back on The Raven another member just posted a picture of their Small...

http://raven.theraider.net/showpost.php ... stcount=68

Pocket size looks different to my untrained eye.

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:04 pm

BaptisteTheFool wrote:Back on The Raven another member just posted a picture of their Small...

http://raven.theraider.net/showpost.php ... stcount=68

Pocket size looks different to my untrained eye.

Do you know when they got it? Looks like it could be an older "S", which most likely would have been slightly bigger than your "S".

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:10 pm

I've been looking at the pics of your jacket and I think it's a combo of your "frame" and the jacket being brand new. I think IF you were to wear it around and break it in the jacket would take shape around your figure and relax over time.

That being said you obviously aren't happy with what you purchased so I would contact Todd and see what he thinks. He's a good guy and has great customer service from what I've experienced. I'm sure he'll work out something with you.

I personally think you probably should go with having a jacket custom made for you. It might be a little more expensive going that route BUT in the long run it's going to be save you a lot of grief trying to find an "off the rack" jacket that gives you the "look" you're after.

I hope you work things out and find a jacket that makes you happy.

Long John Tinfoil · Post by **Long John Tinfoil** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:24 pm

For whatever it's worth, I think that for practical use you want to stay with a "standard" size pocket. If they were reduced for proportion a lot of standard-sized "stuff" that you might want to put in a pocket won't fit - your wallet for example, or a deck of cards, or a map-room brush...

LJ

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:33 pm

I have two Todd's from his new batch (L) and I think you should try a new jacket. First, have him measure those pockets on one he still has in stock and see if they're all that way. I definitely don't think those are right- as others have suggested, they haven't been reduced proportionally to the size of the jacket.

As for the collar, just odd. It appears to be a large size collar, but even stranger is the extra leather in the yoke at the neck leading up to the collar in the back... almost bell-shaped.

Todd's has exceptional customer service so I'm sure he'll sort things out for you.

(and yes, don't go by Holt's - he fills out his jackets with ripply muscles that most of us don't have, or more accurately, have less of. Jackets get scared of him and conform as soon as he puts them on.)

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:37 pm

Tibor wrote:(and yes, don't go by Holt's - he fills out his jackets with ripply muscles that most of us don't have, or more accurately, have less of. Jackets get scared of him and conform as soon as he puts them on.)

but i think he has said he also wears his in the shower to "whip them into submission" a little faster

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:06 pm

RaidersBash wrote:
Tibor wrote:(and yes, don't go by Holt's - he fills out his jackets with ripply muscles that most of us don't have, or more accurately, have less of. Jackets get scared of him and conform as soon as he puts them on.)
but i think he has said he also wears his in the shower to "whip them into submission" a little faster

But he flexes at them first. The jackets faint and go limp. He can then conform them to any shape he desires.

Forrest For the Trees · Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:31 am

Ummm... I know I've already said this, but if the jacket doesn't fit well, just send it back. In my opinion, that jacket does not fit well at all. My vote is for trying a made-to-measure (custom) Wested, and ask for smaller pockets to match the jacket's proportions.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:42 am

Forrest For the Trees wrote:Ummm... I know I've already said this, but if the jacket doesn't fit well, just send it back. In my opinion, that jacket does not fit well at all. My vote is for trying a made-to-measure (custom) Wested, and ask for smaller pockets to match the jacket's proportions.

I might. But I'm a senior in college and cash is tight. I'd prefer to stick to $150 if I can, hence seeing if I just got a bad coat rather than my being ill-proportioned for Todd's jacket.