My short review on a Todd's standard xxl. ****PICS****

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:01 pm

Hi.

well it finally happend. I got a Todd's standard xxl A

what can I say other then that I really dig it. I have never had a better fitting of the rack jacket while still being baggy enuff to get that raiders wibe.

the Leather is thicker then I thought it would be. it is about 15 percent thinner then a rola special. the drape is amazing and is Raiders all the way, and so is the drape on the special rola from wested. they are pretty much the same in weight. but the todd standard has the exact same grain and stretch marks you see in the original raiders jacket, which is a very good thing

it only is in lack of the ''ribb'' marks on the chest panels. the drape and ''fake'' color on my jacket is almost (if not) identical to this.

one thing that I would have changed is the right side of the collar not meeting all the way to the zipper. the collar stops about .25'' before the zipper. but it aint that big of a deal.

the collar tips is IMO alittle too pointy.

and the side pockets not cut deep into the jacket linning. I really missed that on this one. the cargo pockets are sewn on top of the jacket front panels. this way I cant use the handwarmers since they dont give me any warmth and that really takes away the whole idea of them being ''handwarmes''. but its a 150 dollar jacket so how much work can one expect on a that low price jacket. the details on this wonderfull jacket kinda makes up for them not being there correctly.

maby they go in the lining on a custom made jacket?

other then that it is really a very good jacket and I really dig it. I love the lining. feels bullet proof.

now take it from me, the cut of the jacket is very close to what you see on screen and the details are very,very well done. I DIG the ''K'' stitch on the straps and the high yoke. I cant see one flaw in details other then the right collarstand not meeting the zipper and the collar tips. I can tell that Todd really has put his heart and mind into making this.

and, the color for this jacket really is the best color I have seen if you want the ''fake'' color seen on screen.

all in all I am very happy.

thanx again Frank for this wonderfull deal. and yes I had it on during my Taekwondo seminar and when we went out on the town on saturday evening after all the training

pictures will come.

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:41 pm

Thanks for the review Holt. That's one of the older jackets, a good thing imo. Both the XL's and XXL's fit me very well.

Forrest For the Trees · Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:18 pm

the cargo pockets are sewn on top of the jacket front panels. this way I cant use the handwarmers since they dont give me any warmth and that really takes away the whole idea of them being ''handwarmes''.

I thought Todd corrected this. I was under the impression that the newer standard off the rack jackets had hand-warmers cut into the body of the jacket. Holt, is that an older jacket (hence the "A")?

Also, what exactly are you referring to when you say "fake" color of the movie jacket?

Thanks.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:30 pm

Did the hand warmer pockets go into the lining on the Raiders film jacket?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:24 pm

Texan Scott wrote:Did the hand warmer pockets go into the lining on the Raiders film jacket?

yes, at least through the leather into a real pocket

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:26 pm

Not a bad review Holt. Todd has done a nice job on these standards, but I think there have been improvements since that one.

As far as I know, his custom does have hand-warmers cut into the jacket, not just a patch on front, and the newer standards may as well.

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:47 pm

The older standard pockets are sewn on top of the shell. The newer standards have them "cut-in". The newer ones have some drawbacks, in my opinion though. Like the back arm seams being in line with the bottom yoke seam, and double-rounded collar stands.

thedurdens · Post by **thedurdens** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:06 am

Holt,
Like I said wear 'er in good health and I can't wait to see those pics.

A great review as well that I never did get around to giving.

Plus, you had it for the seminar -- sweet!

Peace,
Frank

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:25 am

DeWayne wrote:................. The newer ones have some drawbacks, in my opinion though. Like the back arm seams being in line with the bottom yoke seam, and double-rounded collar stands.

odd they would do that. could have sworn photos posted of the new ones had those details right.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:35 am

Yep, quality product, especially for the price, looking forward to the action shots.

djd · Post by **djd** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:01 am

Yes, let's see some pics Holt - thinking about getting one of these myself

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:48 am

Forrest For the Trees wrote:
Also, what exactly are you referring to when you say "fake" color of the movie jacket?

Thanks.

the jackets were authentic brown but under the stage lights the color came out much darker and almost black. and thats ''the fake color'' the illusion

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:04 am

RCSignals wrote:Not a bad review Holt. Todd has done a nice job on these standards, but I think there have been improvements since that one.

As far as I know, his custom does have hand-warmers cut into the jacket, not just a patch on front, and the newer standards may as well.

thats great, then forget about my review on the pockets. I wrote the small review on the pockets because Todd said that the new jackets are 100% the same as the old one in details. they only changed the fit. but if they changed it then that is great.

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:53 pm

I do think the Raiders jacket must have been a darker brown than ToD & LC, otherwise they would have suffered from the same "fake" effect of looking darker on screen. We're talking pre-digital colour grading, and they would have likely used the same film stocks. I'm just wondering what you are relying on to tell you that this ISN'T the right colour / something else IS. eg. If so many things about Wested's jackets have been incorrect, why would their "authentic" colour be any different?

Indiana Holt wrote:
Forrest For the Trees wrote:
Also, what exactly are you referring to when you say "fake" color of the movie jacket?

Thanks.
the jackets were authentic brown but under the stage lights the color came out much darker and almost black. and thats ''the fake color'' the illusion

Forrest For the Trees · Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:08 pm

I think what Holt means is that Wested's Authentic Brown IS the correct color, but under the studio lights, the jacket appears much darker on film. Therefore, when we get an Authentic Brown jacket from Wested, it is lighter than we are expecting, even though it is the same color as the actual leather jacket worn in Raiders.

Or something like that.

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:17 pm

I realize thats what he's likely saying - that's what I was making a point about.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:33 pm

In dealing with the distressing issue, I think that the jacket gets darker and appears black after the jacket is soaked and dries. This distressing method seems to create that effect. Also, one reason for the darker appearance may be that the lamb hide that was sourced was from a different supplier than it is today. Just look at the dark brown English lamb hide that was standard, per these jackets even a few years ago, as opposed to the lamb and dye that is used today on "authentic brown lamb." The older, dark brown English lamb had a very distictive smell.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:54 am

pics.

EDIT

thedurdens · Post by **thedurdens** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:43 am

Wow, Holt! The jacket looks great!

You wear it well. Uh, do you think I can borrow it on weekends?

Enjoy,
Frank

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:56 am

Thanx Frank for you jacket. it fits me great. first thing I did when I got it was to soak that baby thru 'n' thru. it tuffend up and the leather became slightly thicker.

you can see I reshaped the collar to a more standing collar like the Imans house jacket.

of course, just email me when you need it and Ill ship it back

Dr._J · Post by **Dr._J** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:06 pm

Looks great Holt. How tall are you and what size do you normally wear in custom? Thanks.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:09 pm

Im 6.2' 45 chest. 34ish waist.

I usually have a 44+ custom made wested

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:57 pm

Quick, Holt! Get 'drug by a truck' then send the jacket back!

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:06 pm

Very nice - amazing for the price.

djd · Post by **djd** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:16 pm

Looks very good on you mate

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:32 pm

Just great! The funny thing with Todd's is that they always look much thicker than they are - not that I think they're too thin. Just right for the jungle really. It looks perfect on you Holt.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:30 pm

Wow Holt it looks every bit as good as your 'Holt spec' Wested Raider

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:53 pm

RCSignals wrote:Wow Holt it looks every bit as good as your 'Holt spec' Wested Raider

EXACTLY!

I surprized you noticed. because thats what I noticed at first glance. it looks like my ''Holt'' Raiders but in lamb. it not only looks but fits the same way too.. really, no joke.

thanx my friend

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:28 pm

Really nice jacket and fitting.
I like very much the way it drapes.

thedurdens · Post by **thedurdens** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:56 pm

Holt,
How did you soak it? Is that just a shower thing, or something more complicated?

It really looks great.

Frank

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:18 pm

I think that's your best one yet Holt. Very nice!

Weston

Toht · Post by **Toht** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:46 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:Im 6.2' 45 chest. 34ish waist.

I usually have a 44+ custom made wested

Hey, new here... I'm looking to pick up a Todd standard as well, but am having trouble identifying which size will fit!

I'm 6'4" 205lbs
44 chest
35 waist

so not too far off your size holt... and that jacket looks like it fits perfectly. What is the back length of that jacket? Does anyone know if the new XL is longer or shorter than that one?

Thanks all! great resource you have here!

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:31 pm

Very nice Holt, and it looks good on you. I've been meaning to pick up a Todd's Standard for a while now (I've had a couple of customs). Your jacket may be what puts me over.

Satipo · Post by **Satipo** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:35 am

I really want one of these. But I'm sure I read around here somewhere that there's about to be a new batch with corrections to the collar placement, so I'm holding off for that.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:45 am

Toht wrote: What is the back length of that jacket? Does anyone know if the new XL is longer or shorter than that one?

this jacket is the old style standards.

its around 25'' so its short, but not to short for the original back length, which was 23'' or so. and harry is around 6.1' 6.2'.

henryindianajonesjr44 · Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:15 pm

Wow. I liked your review and pics so much I ordered one myself. Todd's really does a great job.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:21 pm

Thanx Todd.

I couldnt agree more on the leather weigth and feel. I allways thought Todd standards were thinner then what they really are. the drape is wonderfull and so is the color and of course the fit is A-OK.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:08 pm

I think it's amazing (and quite fortunate) that one of the better SA jackets is also one, if not the, least expensive. Todd has done an outstanding job here.

eazybox · Post by **eazybox** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:47 pm

I clicked on the wrong button and got this thread by mistake, and when I saw the photos, I assumed it was a much more expensive jacket. It IS amazing and, like the label says, "lucky"-- not only for Todd, but for those who either can't afford or are simply not inclined to spend more on an accurate Indy jacket.

Jack

IndyTaz · Post by **IndyTaz** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:16 am

Looking good there Holt. Jacket suits you. Nice drape as you mentioned....

Regards
TAZ

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:33 am

Now that's a raiders jacket (yeah I guess the collars could be tweaked a wee itty bitty bit).

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:37 pm

here is the back of the jacket. I realized I totally forgot to show the back.

EDIT

see the grain by the pleats and bottom of the panel. its exactly like the original.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:55 am

Satipo wrote:I really want one of these. But I'm sure I read around here somewhere that there's about to be a new batch with corrections to the collar placement, so I'm holding off for that.

If you haven't heard that straight from Todd, don't believe it. Todd tells me a lot of stuff, although certainly not everything, but I've NEVER heard that from him, nothing about design changes and nothing about a new shipment coming in (although I don't think he'd mind me saying that there is a shipment of 55 and 56 Downtowner's arriving).

Not to completely hijack Holt's thread (sorry Holt), but I went by Todd's shop yesterday and let him talk me into a standard, tried on a few to get one that felt loose enough to wear some thicker clothes under, but that still looked fitted enough to be a true raiders jacket, and all i can say is:

I LOVE IT!

So far it's the Raider's jacket I always wanted (my other is that 10 year old custom Wested Goat.

IMO, the jacket was never meant to be more than a windbreaker anyway, or else it would be hard to run a 440 in the freakin' amazon from a tribe a nearly naked (becausee it's hot and humid in jungles) natives without passing out, or wear in the desert when everyone else seems to be in warm weather gear.

And that's exactly what Todd's standard is. It's thin enough to wear on warmer days, but cuts the chill on cooler days if you zip it up and can be worn over, oh i don't know, a cardigan...

and still do the job and allow a person to move their arms. Today I've worn it all day, from the moutains where it was freezing this morning with a sweater underneath, to a valley where it was in the 60's and ditched the sweater, and tonight I'm at the ocean (gotta love southern california

where the winter time ocean breeze was nothing once I zipped it up with just a long sleeve button up.

i also bought 2 pairs of gloves, a headpiece as a christmas present for myself, and another knife (also saw the new TOD machete and it's HUGE! So massively intimidating that I would run too!!! ...and that's if even only 1 thugee had one)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:47 am

The only thing that has been said here that I'm aware of is sizing changes were made for the latest standards and some small tweaks. It was also said the hand warmer pockets are now cut in.
I don't recall anything mentioned about the collar, and don't know why it would be changed.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:03 am

RCSignals wrote:The only thing that has been said here that I'm aware of is sizing changes were made for the latest standards and some small tweaks. It was also said the hand warmer pockets are now cut in.
I don't recall anything mentioned about the collar, and don't know why it would be changed.

Mine has the cut in hand warmer pockets and fits great (although I thought to soak it and throw it on over a sweater so it really forms...but i probably shouldn't, because even though other guys around here make all the prop making, hat shaping, leather tweaking stuff look easy...it ain't.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:22 am

I'd wear it in the rain, but wouldn't take a bath in it ......

Satipo · Post by **Satipo** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:35 am

RaidersBash wrote:If you haven't heard that straight from Todd, don't believe it. Todd tells me a lot of stuff, although certainly not everything, but I've NEVER heard that from him, nothing about design changes and nothing about a new shipment coming in

Admittedly not from the horse's mouth, but I got the impression there was going to be a new, corrected batch from the following quote found in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44091&p=637647&hili ... rd#p637647

theman wrote: The first of mine was Last year's standard model and was excellent, and I believe the current new sizing is even a better/truer fit for me. That being said, there were some small detail problems that weren't right and being addressed on the next run of Todd's Standards. I think once that happens and and production is thoroughly sorted out you won't find a better more accurate ROLA in the sub $400 range.

RCSignals wrote:I don't recall anything mentioned about the collar, and don't know why it would be changed.

You're right, the collar wasn't specifically mentioned. I must have read too much between the lines and assumed it would be addressed because it's a prominent detail a few have picked up on, including Holt:

Holt wrote:one thing that I would have changed is the right side of the collar not meeting all the way to the zipper

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:32 am

RaidersBash wrote:

Mine has the cut in hand warmer pockets and fits great (although I thought to soak it and throw it on over a sweater so it really forms...but i probably shouldn't, because even though other guys around here make all the prop making, hat shaping, leather tweaking stuff look easy...it ain't.

Someone has mentioned that the sleeve seam now meets the yoke seam instead of 1 inch below it on the new jackets. Is this the case or is the seam still one inch below?

Nothing against the original poster but I have wondered why the pattern would become less SA. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:39 am

crismans wrote:

Someone has mentioned that the sleeve seam now meets the yoke seam instead of 1 inch below it on the new jackets. Is this the case or is the seam still one inch below?

The sleeve seem and yoke seem meet together on the jacket I just bought.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:57 am

RaidersBash wrote:
crismans wrote:

Someone has mentioned that the sleeve seam now meets the yoke seam instead of 1 inch below it on the new jackets. Is this the case or is the seam still one inch below?

The sleeve seem and yoke seem meet together on the jacket I just bought.

Interesting. I wonder the reason for the change?