They could be white!Puppetboy wrote:Just wait until they come out with the restored Raiders on Blu-ray - who knows what color they will be then!
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They could be white!Puppetboy wrote:Just wait until they come out with the restored Raiders on Blu-ray - who knows what color they will be then!
Now he says!binkmeisterRick wrote:Kt, why didn't you take a Pantone book with you when you saw those trousers?
I hear you, Kt. In fact, we recently had to try to match a fabric ink close to a Pantone color for a trade show booth banner. It was brutal! Even the choice of white fabric affected the color being printed on it. I'm not looking forward to doing that again any time soon.Kt Templar wrote:Now he says!binkmeisterRick wrote:Kt, why didn't you take a Pantone book with you when you saw those trousers?
Funny thing is, although I'm a designer, or perhaps because I am, I am acutely aware of the shortcomings of the Pantone system. It great if the color you are looking for is in the book, but for fabrics and for leather especially it seems very hard to match with Pantone. Perhaps there is a multilevel to fabrics that the solid single colour nature of Pantone cannot pickup. For subtle colour differences I was a big fan of Focaltone, it was a shame that never really took off, it was great AND it was based on process inks. It managed a far wider gamut than you would believe possible from standard CMYK. Now don't get me started on Stochastic Hexachrome...
...was just curious as to what the fabric looked like, but not absolutely necessary. It's getting more difficult to find accurate pants these days, so it will be great.Puppetboy wrote: And, no, I won't post pictures of the three colors. It is pointless to judge color from a photo, let alone a computer screen.
AH, but dockers don't have the right color, oh, well. It was worth a try. I will still look forward to the results and may very well get a pair.Puppetboy wrote:You're right, KT. Pantone books don't really work on textured materials like fabric or leather, especially when the chips are so small. I ended up taking the fabric to Lowes and having it analyzed by the paint matching machine. They ran it three times and mixed me three quarts of flat paint. I painted some artboard with the three colors and looked at them next to the pants in various lighting. One of the colors was a perfect match. We sent a square foot card of that color to the mill for them to match. And, no, I won't post pictures of the three colors. It is pointless to judge color from a photo, let alone a computer screen.
I appreciate all the input here. But really, the design will be based on the actual pants. I'm not making Dockers, here. I really just wanted to know how many would prefer the SA wool.
Indiana Jake,Indiana Jake wrote:BigRex,
After reading your post carefully, I am not sure what either of these photos of trousers you have posted points out, other than Micheal looks good in his gear. That being said, the wool Todd is referring to is quite durable and it does not get the tiny pills or pilling effect in the areas that wear out the most. Unfortunately pilling is a terrible letdown when it comes to blend fabrics. I think the reason it is called cavalry twill is that this was a wool meant for a mounted uniform similar to police and yes, cavalry uniforms. This fabric is also called elastique by others. The fabric actually has some give and stretch to it. Not to be confused with the modern stretch jeans worn by hot curvy girls or your old grandpa (Gee that is a difficult visual all in one!)
I think many of us will be very pleased with this cav twill fabric for SA pants. I'll take the close-enoughs on any situations where I might actually get dragged by a truck or come head on with any other tough stain and wear situation.
Maybe someone can enlighten us on the history of this fabric. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's been around since WW1?
Indiana Jake
Oops, should have mentioned that since most people don't know our faces. Fixed it up.Indiana MarkVII wrote:Which one is you and which one is Gator?
Yes, I thought so too. The owner came to LA on company business and brought the pants with him, as well as other wardrobe that he owns, with the intention of meeting me in his spare time. Things got hectic for him as his company kept adding more to his plate, and he ended up not having any spare time. I pestered him so badly that now he won't speak to me.Out of curiosity What are you using for a pattern? I thought in the past you said you had access to a SA pair.
That is amazingly generous! I am deeply appreciate that! Here's my postal mailing address:In any case however that you need a swatch from a MBA(not NH) Raiders trousers let me know. I can send it to you by mail.
Competitive? I'm afraid not. Mine will be far less.Just a point about the pattern. I remember Noel telling me once that the cut is not baggy like some believe and is much more of a tailored fit. The baggy effect comes from the way wool drapes, apparently.
That is amazingly generous! I am deeply appreciate that! Here's my postal mailing address:
Todd's' Costumes
PO Box 5196
Pine Mountain Club, CA 93222
Alkali Jones has been a great help. I'm overwhelmed by the number of people who have been providing me with additional information, photos, and offers of help. It is very appreciated. We are pretty confident that we have a very good understanding now of the construction, lining colors and placement, waistband, etc. Noel made his trousers in much the same way, so having a pair on loan really helped us understand the photos.You also should take into account the research that Alkali Jones has done on the pants as he has a lot of useful info on them. The real pants did NOT have a waistband.
Hope this won't be interpretated as unfriendly but here is my answer:Adirondack Jones wrote:It's certainly looking like wool is going to be the winner, but, as one who pretty much lives everyday in 'digging clothes,' I'd like to see an Indy pant that I could wear everyday and not have to worry about having it dry-cleaned.