Question for Adventurebuilt

[beaverlid]

I just watched Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for the ummteenth time. The only difference is I watched it on my new 100" high definition projector screen. With the image in High definition and blown up to 100 inches I noticed in a couple of screen shots that the fedora liner looks gold. Is this correct? Is the hat liner in Crystal Skull gold or do I need to recalibrate my projector. One scene to look at is at the end where Mutt grabs the fedora when the wind blows the doors open in the chapel when Indy and Marion are married. The other scene it looks gold is where Indy is pulled out of the army car at the begining.

I am just curious if Steve and Marc used a gold liner for the fedora. If you did guys why did you deviate from the sa white liner from the original fims. Just curious....

Beaverlid

[binkmeisterRick]

Steve and Marc provided white liners for the hats. The liners were dyed that color by the production team.

[Chewbacca Jones]

Well, I'm not Steve or Marc, but I have the answer. I'm sure one of them could be more eloquent and fully illuminating, though. But I'm bored and sleepless, so forgive me if I stick my nose in where it don't belong...

It has been discussed in the past that some liners were dyed/stained to hide the logo printed on the liner (as Bink says above). If you can get a really good still at the right angle, you might even be able to make out the impression of it. I noticed it in the theatre. This also ties in with the fact that AB has a new, non-legal-trouble-type logo.

What I have never been clear on is wether or not the plain liners were dyed to match, or left white. Bink?

[mcmanm]

I was wondering what kind of dye could be used for satin? I wanted Oak to put a gold/sand liner in my Raiders (aready had white and black). Just wanted to change things up. Said his supplier could not do it. Any suggestions? Would like to try it with my Penman CS.

[Fedora]

It has been discussed in the past that some liners were dyed/stained to hide the logo printed on the liner (as Bink says above). If you can get a really good still at the right angle, you might even be able to make out the impression of it. I noticed it in the theatre. This also ties in with the fact that AB has a new, non-legal-trouble-type logo.

What I have never been clear on is wether or not the plain liners were dyed to match, or left white. Bink?

To set the record straight....

All of the production hats, we sent with plain white liners. All of Ford's had the now defunct European, side seamed liner, and the stunt hats had just my modern plain white liner. Bernie wanted plain liners because the clock was ticking, and in order to use a crested liner, that would have to be turned over to the copywrite search team, in order to insure we were not using someone else's logo, (Lucas could get sued) and this process might take months to research. So, to speed up things, he requested plain liners.

Now, a girl at Western Costume, dyed some of the white liners a goldish color, using hair dye. Probably blond hair dye. She also even added fake sweat stains to some of the liners, where it was needed for inside shots of the hat, that may have never made it to the film.

Some of the liners we see in the film were dyed, but others were white. SO we see both.

Only the sample hats had my or Marc's logo in them, and non of the production hats. Now, there was a hat that was sold, from the film, that had the staff of ra on the top of the liner, and this had to have been a sample hat, and not a hat we specifically made for the film. But Bernie had called me from the set one day and told me the original spec'ed hat the 5 1/4 open crown, with 2 7/8 by 2 5/8 brim, had accidently got aged by Western Costume and was sent to Hawaii, by accident, and he used it in the film.(accidently) This had to be the hat with the staff of ra headpiece in it, and it had to have been the sample we sent in the shorter crown and wider brim. Originally Bernie and Ford had chosen the shorter crown, wider brimmed hat, and we had a shipment of those that were about to go out, when I was called and was told NOT to send them. Bernie had just found out, Steven decided to do a costume test, filmed, as he was gonna pick which AB hat to be used. He chose the 5 1/2 open crown model, with the 2 3/4 by 2 1/2 brim. And that is what we made for the film. So, there is one hat in the film that is the original as chosen by Bernie and Harrison, and was fitted to him. And this very hat was sent back to me, to use as a 3 D model to make the rest. It had the plain white liner in it. I kept it, and sold it to Doc Rivera who used to hang out here. He later sold it to someone else. It was the original hat fitted to Harrison.

I was an idiot for selling it to Doc so cheaply! But at the time, I saw no special importance about it, except it had been on Harrisons head, and even had a sweat stain from him on the liner. In hindsight, I should have kept it, and sold it for what he got for it later on!! It ended up being a special hat in that it was the original chosen hat, by Harrison, and ironically accidently made it into the film(the same spec'ed hat) anyways.

If they do make Indy 5, and Harrisons fitted hat is sent back to again, I won't be so dumb this go around! Since I now know what the hats sent back to me can fetch, just by the fact they were on Harrisons head. And were a part of the Indy film history. But we were talking about liners......

One last fact. The wedding hat as seen at the end of the film, was a stunt hat, that is, we made it for a stuntman who shared head sizes with Harrison. The tip off to me was the liner. It was the modern plain white liner that I can still get, whereas the side seamed liners used for Harrison's hats are no longer made. So, Bernie apparently used a stunt hat that was extra, for that one scene. The other hats we see the inside of, are the side seamed variety. Fedora

[BendingOak]

I was wondering what kind of dye could be used for satin? I wanted Oak to put a gold/sand liner in my Raiders (aready had white and black). Just wanted to change things up. Said his supplier could not do it. Any suggestions? Would like to try it with my Penman CS.

Just to be clear. The place where I buy my liner can make that color with no problem. The problem is they can't just make one or two liners. Liners are sold by the gross. I can't shell out all that cash for one or two liner and have a truck load left over.

[mcmanm]

That's what I thought when you first pm'd me . So, is there a sure fire way to dye a liner? Specifically, is there a certain type and color to use? My only experience with dye was when I dyed my Magnoloi bag OD Green.

Matt

[Indiana Croft]

Hey Steve, what color liner was used in the traveling hat (grey). Just curious as I'll be getting one in the near future, would be nice if it matched.

Croft

[Fedora]

All of Harrison's hats got the side seamed (all gone) liner.

[beaverlid]

My thanks to everyone for clarifying this.

[McFly]

I heard that Harrison asked for the liners to be dyed gold because that color was the "in-style" color for the fashion season...

But I mean... that's just what I heard.

Shane