Garrison Hatters Does it Again!
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Garrison Hatters Does it Again!
With all the talk of LLS' new hats, I thought it would be fitting to post my review here. I asked David about doing so, and he said it would be okay. To begin, Mr. Garrison doesn't provide reblocks. This was done as a special favor to me and while he was getting under way with his new hat business. (That, and I threatened to ban him, so that helped, too. ) Warning, this is a long post!
My very first AdventureBilt, one of the original 2004 vintage hats from Steve, was in need of a good reblock. This hat has been with me on many adventures here and around the globe. It contains many good memories and a tremendous amount of sentimental value. In short, I wouldn't trust this hat to just anybody. But I knew Steve was plenty busy with keeping up with making new hats, so I thought I might try going elsewhere. David Garrison has had the distinct fortune to learn directly from Steve Delk in his workshop, and given Steve's comments as to the quality of David's work and block shape, I thought I'd contact David and ask about the possibility of getting this hat back into shape. After some discussion back in the spring, David agreed to do so and I nervously sent the hat to him.
I admit my nervousness, again, because this particular hat holds a lot of irreplaceable value to me. I told David I wanted to use the same ribbon, sweatband, and liner that was currently in the hat. It just needed to be cleaned up and reblocked. I don't know how many times over the months I reiterated that, but he was beyond patient with me. I knew he learned how to "kill the felt" from Steve, so I was especially interested in having that done to this hat.
After several PMs back and forth, we finally had the chance to talk on the phone. I can tell you, talking with him is just as good as talking with Steve or John Penman; you'll share wonderful conversation that is impossible to keep brief. We instantly connected. I also learned over time that he was just as nervous as I was about reblocking this hat! (I think I scared him with my subconscious "please don't ruin my hat" concerns! ) I told him to take his time on this hat since I wanted it done right as opposed to a rush job. He later told me he contacted Steve several times regarding my hat when he had questions or concerns about it. He ended up putting the felt through the "killing" process multiple times! At one point he was concerned with the felt looking a bit mottled in appearance. I was beginning to think my hat was giving him nightmares! I'm sure my "anxious patience" didn't help, either, since on more than one occasion I asked how it was going, stating that I wanted him to take the time he needed, even though I was missing my hat!
Apart from that, since his block shape was different from the block originally used on this hat, there was concern about losing some brim width or the brim break. I was very clear that I didn't want a millimeter of brim cut from this felt. Fortunately, it turned out quite well in that the original brim break was perfectly maintained! There was absolutely no need to trim a thing.
After that, there was much discussion on how I wanted the fedora bashed. All my "Indy" hats end up becoming "bink" hats, so 100% screen accuracy is not as important to me as it is to others. But I was clear that I didn't want the hat turned. I prefer my hats to develop such characteristics naturally over time from wearing and handling. I even sent him multiple pictures of me wearing various ABs and vintage hats in my collection to show I wear them and what I liked. David was really taken with how a particular vintage fedora looked on me, so he kept that in mind. We continued to PM and talk on the phone regarding the temple and Well of Souls styles from Raiders and how I liked a hybrid between the two. He even sent me images of different bash styles to point out details. Let me tell you, every detail of this reblock was discussed ad nauseam from top to bottom, inside and out. This also ended up being a good learning process for David.
Well, a couple weeks ago I finally received my hat.
I have to say, I am really impressed with Mr. Garrison's work. The hat was double boxed. The outer box was the standard corrugated cardboard with the nicer (and thinner) hat box inside. The hat was well protected during shipping. Nothing squished, whatsoever. Though I'm sure it costs more, I wish every hatter shipped this way. When I opened the hat box and pulled out the hat, it was pure joy. I forgot how incredibly soft this beaver felt was, and after David's processing of it, it felt softer, thinner, and was definitely floppier than I remember. It was easy to tweak and shape, even though he had bashed it as requested. I also love how the felt reacts. I can tweak it, shape it, squeeze it, and change the hat to my whim. The felt also retains some of the "character of age" in its appearance. I like that, too. He even reconditioned the original sweatband and sent two additional replacement liners if I should ever need one!
Now I must admit one thing threw me a little at first, and that is that there is, indeed, a little taper to this hat. But Both Steve Delk and David Garrison have come to the realization that the original Raiders block actually did have a hint of taper built into the block. And something I've come to believe within that tapered block is that when the hat is turned, it eradicates that taper. However, when left UNturned, like my hat, it's easier to perceive the taper. Playing with the bash a little also affects how much or little taper there is. But THAT said, this is while the hat is UNWORN. I know full well that head shape and how you wear the hat plays a very important role in how the fedora truly looks. That is why I have taken pictures of it both off and on my head.
The picture below shows the hat pretty much as it came out of the box. The side views shown are with the back of the dent higher up (which makes the back side view taper disappear) though pushing it down further (as also shown from the back) will give the hat that reverse taper appearance from the side views. But you can get a nice, deep center crease with this block, no doubt about it. The front view shows a bit of taper, but I can squeeze the sides in a smidgen and that taper disappears. I believe this is all because of the soft nature of the felt on this block. The ribbon and bow are original to this hat and have been through previous reblocking, but it just adds to its character.
The next picture shows the hat on my head. You can tell by the image in the upper left corner that I can get a nice, straight Raiders feel out of it. The two smaller front views show how the hat can change appearance just by picking it up and putting it on your head. The "flat brimmed" view looks like there might be some minor taper in the front, but again, it's easy to tweak it out, as the other two views show. I also have a habit of playing with the brim, which is evidenced in that first image. I think the side view has that nice arc going on, and you can get a good idea of how deep the center dent gets in the back.
Despite my initial nerves and concerns with sending him this hat, I am pleased that I did. I can't wait till it's a bit cooler to wear as an everyday hat again (since it's a typical humid 90s Washingtonian summer as I write). David is a pleasure to work with and a joy to talk to. If you have concerns or ideas, he is always willing to discuss them and to take the time to make sure you get the hat you want. Again, he is not in the habit of doing reblocks, but if he puts this much care and work into his own line of fedoras, you can't go wrong. I'd highly recommend him! A class act, all the way! Thanks again, David!
Highest regards!
bink
My very first AdventureBilt, one of the original 2004 vintage hats from Steve, was in need of a good reblock. This hat has been with me on many adventures here and around the globe. It contains many good memories and a tremendous amount of sentimental value. In short, I wouldn't trust this hat to just anybody. But I knew Steve was plenty busy with keeping up with making new hats, so I thought I might try going elsewhere. David Garrison has had the distinct fortune to learn directly from Steve Delk in his workshop, and given Steve's comments as to the quality of David's work and block shape, I thought I'd contact David and ask about the possibility of getting this hat back into shape. After some discussion back in the spring, David agreed to do so and I nervously sent the hat to him.
I admit my nervousness, again, because this particular hat holds a lot of irreplaceable value to me. I told David I wanted to use the same ribbon, sweatband, and liner that was currently in the hat. It just needed to be cleaned up and reblocked. I don't know how many times over the months I reiterated that, but he was beyond patient with me. I knew he learned how to "kill the felt" from Steve, so I was especially interested in having that done to this hat.
After several PMs back and forth, we finally had the chance to talk on the phone. I can tell you, talking with him is just as good as talking with Steve or John Penman; you'll share wonderful conversation that is impossible to keep brief. We instantly connected. I also learned over time that he was just as nervous as I was about reblocking this hat! (I think I scared him with my subconscious "please don't ruin my hat" concerns! ) I told him to take his time on this hat since I wanted it done right as opposed to a rush job. He later told me he contacted Steve several times regarding my hat when he had questions or concerns about it. He ended up putting the felt through the "killing" process multiple times! At one point he was concerned with the felt looking a bit mottled in appearance. I was beginning to think my hat was giving him nightmares! I'm sure my "anxious patience" didn't help, either, since on more than one occasion I asked how it was going, stating that I wanted him to take the time he needed, even though I was missing my hat!
Apart from that, since his block shape was different from the block originally used on this hat, there was concern about losing some brim width or the brim break. I was very clear that I didn't want a millimeter of brim cut from this felt. Fortunately, it turned out quite well in that the original brim break was perfectly maintained! There was absolutely no need to trim a thing.
After that, there was much discussion on how I wanted the fedora bashed. All my "Indy" hats end up becoming "bink" hats, so 100% screen accuracy is not as important to me as it is to others. But I was clear that I didn't want the hat turned. I prefer my hats to develop such characteristics naturally over time from wearing and handling. I even sent him multiple pictures of me wearing various ABs and vintage hats in my collection to show I wear them and what I liked. David was really taken with how a particular vintage fedora looked on me, so he kept that in mind. We continued to PM and talk on the phone regarding the temple and Well of Souls styles from Raiders and how I liked a hybrid between the two. He even sent me images of different bash styles to point out details. Let me tell you, every detail of this reblock was discussed ad nauseam from top to bottom, inside and out. This also ended up being a good learning process for David.
Well, a couple weeks ago I finally received my hat.
I have to say, I am really impressed with Mr. Garrison's work. The hat was double boxed. The outer box was the standard corrugated cardboard with the nicer (and thinner) hat box inside. The hat was well protected during shipping. Nothing squished, whatsoever. Though I'm sure it costs more, I wish every hatter shipped this way. When I opened the hat box and pulled out the hat, it was pure joy. I forgot how incredibly soft this beaver felt was, and after David's processing of it, it felt softer, thinner, and was definitely floppier than I remember. It was easy to tweak and shape, even though he had bashed it as requested. I also love how the felt reacts. I can tweak it, shape it, squeeze it, and change the hat to my whim. The felt also retains some of the "character of age" in its appearance. I like that, too. He even reconditioned the original sweatband and sent two additional replacement liners if I should ever need one!
Now I must admit one thing threw me a little at first, and that is that there is, indeed, a little taper to this hat. But Both Steve Delk and David Garrison have come to the realization that the original Raiders block actually did have a hint of taper built into the block. And something I've come to believe within that tapered block is that when the hat is turned, it eradicates that taper. However, when left UNturned, like my hat, it's easier to perceive the taper. Playing with the bash a little also affects how much or little taper there is. But THAT said, this is while the hat is UNWORN. I know full well that head shape and how you wear the hat plays a very important role in how the fedora truly looks. That is why I have taken pictures of it both off and on my head.
The picture below shows the hat pretty much as it came out of the box. The side views shown are with the back of the dent higher up (which makes the back side view taper disappear) though pushing it down further (as also shown from the back) will give the hat that reverse taper appearance from the side views. But you can get a nice, deep center crease with this block, no doubt about it. The front view shows a bit of taper, but I can squeeze the sides in a smidgen and that taper disappears. I believe this is all because of the soft nature of the felt on this block. The ribbon and bow are original to this hat and have been through previous reblocking, but it just adds to its character.
The next picture shows the hat on my head. You can tell by the image in the upper left corner that I can get a nice, straight Raiders feel out of it. The two smaller front views show how the hat can change appearance just by picking it up and putting it on your head. The "flat brimmed" view looks like there might be some minor taper in the front, but again, it's easy to tweak it out, as the other two views show. I also have a habit of playing with the brim, which is evidenced in that first image. I think the side view has that nice arc going on, and you can get a good idea of how deep the center dent gets in the back.
Despite my initial nerves and concerns with sending him this hat, I am pleased that I did. I can't wait till it's a bit cooler to wear as an everyday hat again (since it's a typical humid 90s Washingtonian summer as I write). David is a pleasure to work with and a joy to talk to. If you have concerns or ideas, he is always willing to discuss them and to take the time to make sure you get the hat you want. Again, he is not in the habit of doing reblocks, but if he puts this much care and work into his own line of fedoras, you can't go wrong. I'd highly recommend him! A class act, all the way! Thanks again, David!
Highest regards!
bink
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Re: Garrison Hatters Does it Again!
If this is your vintage AB, the one with the felt from 1919, then this was one of my favorite hats on COW. Don't get me wrong, I think that it looks great, but it lost something in that reblock. It probably just needs to broken in again. I know this happens with all hats after a reblock. This happened with my Penman when I got it reblocked. That said, I think the hat looks great. And I really like how the hat looks on your head. That taper when it is off your head is a shock. I'm sure that was...odd, seing that when you opened the box. What matters is that it looks great when you wear it and it does.
Dave
p.s. Can you post some before and after pictures? Maybe some pics of the hat when you got it from Steve, before you sent it off for the reblock (if you have any), and one of the hat now so that we can see how the hat has evolved. I think that would be cool.
Dave
p.s. Can you post some before and after pictures? Maybe some pics of the hat when you got it from Steve, before you sent it off for the reblock (if you have any), and one of the hat now so that we can see how the hat has evolved. I think that would be cool.
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Dave, this is NOT my 1919 mercury felt AB. That hat hasn't tapered a millimeter since I got it and I doubt that particular hat will ever need reblocking. That one also has different specs than any of my other ABs and is more of a "1920's" fedora. The above hat is my first AB, an early production run made in the latter half of 2004. The beaver body on this hat is also different than what Steve currently uses. In fact, it's the only AB in my collection which has ever needed a reblock. This hat has also been reblocked before. At your request, I dug around and managed to find shots of it I didn't think still existed. Here are the aged shots I could of it.
When brand spankin' new and right out of the box back in 2004, taken at arm's length:
On my head when new:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/383 ... fda4d0.jpg
Here it is in transit at one point:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/260 ... d5acf4.jpg
While not the best picture, these are all ABs. The one on left is the hat in question which was reblocked, a grey in the middle, and the mercury on the right.
When brand spankin' new and right out of the box back in 2004, taken at arm's length:
On my head when new:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/383 ... fda4d0.jpg
Here it is in transit at one point:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/260 ... d5acf4.jpg
While not the best picture, these are all ABs. The one on left is the hat in question which was reblocked, a grey in the middle, and the mercury on the right.
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Thanks for clearing that up, bink! I was wondering why in the world your 1919 hat had to be 'killed' per the AB process! Our 1919 beaver fur felt hats have been 'dead' for decades, so that made me scratch my head as well!
Personally I LIKE the new result, as it reminds me of the block Steve uses (and has used) for my hats for years! So, I'm a bit biased.
GREAT job, Mr. Garrison! I'm sure we can both see more reblock requests coming over the horizon and headed your way!
Regards! Michaelson
Personally I LIKE the new result, as it reminds me of the block Steve uses (and has used) for my hats for years! So, I'm a bit biased.
GREAT job, Mr. Garrison! I'm sure we can both see more reblock requests coming over the horizon and headed your way!
Regards! Michaelson
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Thanks Rick. I'm so pleased that that isn't your vintge AB. Those pictures really illustrate the great life this hat has had. I actually like the bit of taper the hat has even when on your head. That shot of the hat titled back on your head looks great. Your vintage AB still remains in my favorites list.
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I'm with Dave. A little bit of taper on a hat has NEVER bothered me, so I think it's a winner!
Regards! Michaelson
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Thanks for clearing that up, Dave! If the 1919 hat ever does need a reblock, that's one I'd only ever send to Steve to work on. It's also my favorite AB of the four I own. The reblocked hat above has been around the globe with me and on countless adventures, so if I need an AB in a more "abusive" setting, it's my go-to hat. While it may have been a little different than initially expected, I'm eager to see how the reblock breaks in, especially after seeing it on my head! Again, I'm pleased with David's work!
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Great review Rick. Love the hat.
Re: Garrison Hatters Does it Again!
Question: does Garrison Hatters only sell the SOC hat?
Or will LLL bash it any way you want?
Or will LLL bash it any way you want?
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I believe he specializes in the SoC hat, but he was more than willing to work with me on how I wanted my hat to look off his block, so if you order a hat from him, I'm sure he'll accommodate you and your choice of style.
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Let me start off by saying that Bink in one fine fellow. He is one of the several on this site that I felt I already knew before joining COW from my many years of lurking. I got a kick out of his "wallet swipping" reputation. . I remembered when Bink got his Adventurebilt. He was one of the early one. My first AB was probably from the same felt run at that time. Bink contacted me back in the spring when I was still in my prototype work phase and asked if I would re-block his AB. We talked about felts, scenes, vintage styles, sweatbands, liner and bash types. And that was just on the first phone call. I agreed to rework his hat , as a special favor, and when the I hung up the phone, I began to worry. I knew how important this hat was to him. I remembered the pics he posted of this very hat when he went to South America. Now, I am about to get this hat and was worried that I would end its career.
I received the hat, broke it down and started the reblocking of the felt. I did a double task on it to ensure that the new block shape would take and hold. This felt had softened up quite well. Steve was exactly right when he said these felt would get better with age. I did a treatment to relax the felt a little more. You would have thougt that this was a brand new felt. It didn't show any years to it. Anyone owning an AB or AB Deluxe will be spoiled for life by these hats.
When I finally completed replacing the trimmings, I emailed Bink two sample shots of bash styles. He chose the one that, in my opinion, fit his look the best. Bink has an impressive collection of fedoras and was kind enough to email me pics of them. The bash style he picked, of the two choices I did for him, is very similar to a vintage hat he has, but with an Indy twist. Bink, I like the way you tailor these hats to your look. I am please that you are happy with my work on your AB. It is a fine hat. You do the reblock justice with your look. Temperatures will be dropping soon and I'm sure you'll put the hat to use. Thank you for the kind words, but you are a fine fellow yourself. I enjoyed our conversations and hope to have more in the future. I would love to get a pic from you wearing the hat in front of the Jefferson Memorial. You know why.
LLS
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I make two styles. They are the Standard Raiders style and the Cairo style. Check out my sticky post in the Cairo Bazaar.
I received the hat, broke it down and started the reblocking of the felt. I did a double task on it to ensure that the new block shape would take and hold. This felt had softened up quite well. Steve was exactly right when he said these felt would get better with age. I did a treatment to relax the felt a little more. You would have thougt that this was a brand new felt. It didn't show any years to it. Anyone owning an AB or AB Deluxe will be spoiled for life by these hats.
When I finally completed replacing the trimmings, I emailed Bink two sample shots of bash styles. He chose the one that, in my opinion, fit his look the best. Bink has an impressive collection of fedoras and was kind enough to email me pics of them. The bash style he picked, of the two choices I did for him, is very similar to a vintage hat he has, but with an Indy twist. Bink, I like the way you tailor these hats to your look. I am please that you are happy with my work on your AB. It is a fine hat. You do the reblock justice with your look. Temperatures will be dropping soon and I'm sure you'll put the hat to use. Thank you for the kind words, but you are a fine fellow yourself. I enjoyed our conversations and hope to have more in the future. I would love to get a pic from you wearing the hat in front of the Jefferson Memorial. You know why.
LLS
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Hey jkdbuck76Question: does Garrison Hatters only sell the SOC hat?
Or will LLL bash it any way you want?
I make two styles. They are the Standard Raiders style and the Cairo style. Check out my sticky post in the Cairo Bazaar.
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Very nice work LLS!
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David, I did wear the hat the other day and got a random "nice hat" compliment from a passerby. I'll see about that photo, though.
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Cool! Be sure to tell your Mom 'hi' for us!binkmeisterRick wrote:David, I did wear the hat the other day and got a random "nice hat" compliment from a passerby.
Regards! Michaelson
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The above hat is my first AB, an early production run made in the latter half of 2004. The beaver body on this hat is also different than what Steve currently uses. In fact, it's the only AB in my collection which has ever needed a reblock.
I am pretty sure, that hat Bink was from the felt I got from South America. Old JW of JW Hats, had got hooked up with this S.A. feltmaker, and I had ordered 12 dozen bodies from him. Months and months went by with no sight of these bodies. SO, JW hops a plane and head down to S.A. When he arrived there, he found our shipment in the shipping room, and it had been sitting there for months!!! He found out that the folks down there have a different idea of "time". No joke.
He sent me probably 3 or 4 dozen of these bodies, and they were ok, but I got nervous about being able to get them in a timely fashion, as he did, and he just dropped using them. I went directly to my current US feltmaker, and have used them ever since. At the time, the S.A bodies were less than half the price of a felt body from my current feltmaker. I found out, you get what you pay for when buying bodies. Fedora
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Michaelson wrote:Cool! Be sure to tell your Mom 'hi' for us!binkmeisterRick wrote:David, I did wear the hat the other day and got a random "nice hat" compliment from a passerby.
Regards! Michaelson
So my hat is even more world travelled than I thought! The felt is very soft and lovely, even if it has been a bit more temperamental in the past. Again, of all my ABs, this is the only one I've ever needed to send back for a reblock on occasion. Steve, I'm assuming that's another big difference in the South American felt versus the Winchester?Fedora wrote: I am pretty sure, that hat Bink was from the felt I got from South America....
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WELL written Review, bink. Thanks!
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