Replica or real guns

Andykev · Post by **Andykev** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 10:25 pm

I FIRMLY believe in FIREARMS SAFETY...thanks for the reminder.
HOWEVER remember when you complete your Indy outfit with a gun: BE AWARE OF WHO SEES IT OR WHERE YOU ARE. There are too many people who think you are carrying a REAL LOADED GUN. Most cops will point their guns at you and order you to the ground if they think you are carrying a gun in public. It's nice to age your Leather Jacket, but I can think of easier ways to do that than to be ordered down to the ground. And what about the person last year shot by a cop in LA when he had a fake gun at a party!!
MOST (at lease here in California) States require replica guns to have an ORANGE or distinctly marked muzzle. NUFF SAID. Watch who is watching, you don't want to alarm unknowing passers-by!

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 11:37 pm

Very true. It's interesting, however, at like comic shows and such so many people come dressed as Neo, Lara Croft, Han Solo, etc.. and openly carry guns. Most people like parents, kids, and staff don't give it a second thought. You really don't know if they are real or not. For example, the Master Replicas version of Han Solo's pistol was made out of metal, cocks and snaps the hammer when you pull the trigger. It was a very realistic and functional prop gun. Fortunately for us, the Indy Flap holster would pretty much hide the gun from view so that you can't really see if there is one in there or not.

There's a flip side to the equation. Carrying a holster, empty or otherwise, can raise suspicion. One time, ITG and I were comparing gear at a comic book show. A man from the parking lot came up and asked us where the gun show was taking place. Seeing that we were puzzled, he said to her, "I saw that you were packing and was wondering where the gun show was." He apologized and walked away when she showed him that the holster was empty and it was part of a costume.

I don't have a prop gun and I don't carry when in full gear. But, I will, most of the time, have my stuff with me, unloaded of course, back in the car just in case someone is interested.

I do like this quote. "It's nice to age your Leather Jacket, but I can think of easier ways to do that than to be ordered down to the ground." Words well written.

Pyro.

LNBright · Post by **LNBright** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 12:20 am

"Most cops will point their guns at you and order you to the ground if they think you are carrying a gun in public."

Must be a California-thing.... I've never had a problem carrying any firearm anywhere.... 'course, in Tennessee and southwestern Virginia, you are the unusual one if you don't have a gun, actually.....

-Leslie

Shtick · Post by **Shtick** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 1:31 am

The picture of me in my Halloween costume was taken in my local park, and some pics were take with my gun drawn. Luckily, it's an historic California Gold Rush town, and guns are not uncommon. Black powder guns are allowed to be carried by employees of the shops, to enhance their period attire.

We had people taking pictures of me and my wife (dressed as Lara Croft) while we were taking our own pictures, and they didn't give us a second thought.

Of course, they didn't flinch when I cracked my whip, either.

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 2:32 am

Haloween is rather an exception to the rule.

Here in Canada, I bet you would be in BIG trouble judging by out anti-gun stance.

But alas I am about to tread into a taboo topic. I agree with Andykev 100%: Be careful about where you are and who you are around, lest they get the wrong idea.

Shtick · Post by **Shtick** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 2:41 am

I agree completely. I would never carry a real gun, for fear of getting shot. Costume's not worth it.

On a side note, my wife went to Japan last year, and bought me a Transformers Megatron. Luckily, she put it in her luggage, as it was packaged in gun form.

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:13 am

I don’t make a point of advertising what firearms I own. But I will say that I own a cheesy replica Hamilton Collection Colt. It’s one that I keep in my holster for show. I let people know right away it’s just a prop when I show them.

But I’m not so sure that I like prop-guns any more. If you’re going to holster something, holster a real firearm and exercise your Second Amendment Rights.

Another reason why I don’t like Prop-Guns is that Atmosphere of contentment they promote. I’ve seen too many people “Buckaroo” with realistic looking Prop-Guns, whipping them out in public and pulling the trigger. Kids see that and they get the wrong idea. I remember back in the early 80’s an actor woke up from a nap on the set and was told that they had to reshoot some scenes and as a gag he took a prop-gun that was loaded with blanks and shot him self in the head. There was no bullet but the force of the gun-powder cause brain damage.

I also remember that a fellow fan on another forum wanted to get some replica guns so that he could stand in front of the mirror and do the fancy “Matrix” gunplay. Again… not a healthy attitude towards guns {The Matrix has to rank Number One of the dumbest movies featuring guns. Too many folks think that the gun play in that Movie is cool, discarding guns after they’ve been unloaded in exchange for other firearms they were already packing. I know it’s just a movie and a fantasy with in a fantasy… but does anyone ever think about what happens to guns that are left behind? Does anyone ever think that maybe those guns could be get into the wrong hands and Reloaded? Pardon the pun}

Sorry to say, Prop-Guns desensitise people to the real danger of firearms.

skywlkr · Post by **skywlkr** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:32 am

Fisk,
I couldn't agree more. It's the idiots who totally disregard gun safety that give the liberals an arguement for more gun control laws. California is the worst in that respect.

Luke

Henry Jones Sr. · Post by **Henry Jones Sr.** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:37 pm

Renderking Fisk wrote:I remember back in the early 80’s an actor woke up from a nap on the set and was told that they had to reshoot some scenes and as a gag he took a prop-gun that was loaded with blanks and shot him self in the head. There was no bullet but the force of the gun-powder cause brain damage.

The actor's name was Jon-Erik Hexum. One place where additional details can be found (there are a number of sites about the actor) is http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hill ... insel.html

I'm reminded of Halloween, 1978. I was Luke Skywalker, complete with my Kenner Stormtrooper blaster. I was three houses from home, and rang the doorbell. Mrs. F. answered the door and I announced, "Trick or Treat!" Mrs. F. was shocked and said she would give me nothing until the gun was put away. I told her it was a toy. She said she didn't care. I took it out from my belt and put it in my treat bag. Mrs. F. was crying as she put the candy in my bag and quietly closed the door. It wasn't until days later that I found out that her son had been killed in the last days of Vietnam (which, in 1978, was still in reasonably recent memory).

I still remember it as if it were yesterday. Now the issue with guns was ultimately hers, but you just don't usually expect, as a kid, to be treated (no pun) to a reaction like that. Just my recollection of how just the sight of a prop (or even toy) can send folks off in strange, if understandable, ways.

Regards,

Henry Jones, Sr.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:48 pm

Understood. I experienced the same thing many years ago with a lady I knew who went to pieces when she once saw (in my presense) an old red Chevy Nova. Seems her daughter once had one, and had been killed in a single car crash IN a simular Nova. It's amazing how inanimate objects can cause such stong emotions in people. It's not the items themselves, but when used improperly, the sad results that occur that cause those reactions. Rather than dealing with those emotions in a logical manner, they lash out at the item. That is where the division occurs between folks regarding those inanimate objects. Regards. Michaelson

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:13 pm

I still get violently ill when I see a bottle of Peachtree Schnapps and hear “Auld Lang Syne” at the same time… [Shutters at thought]

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:27 pm

Regards. Michaelson

House Detective · Post by **House Detective** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:50 pm

Guns? I live in Texas.........military vet, and licensed by the state to carry a concealed handgun. Heck, this is Texas ya'll....everyone carries.

Can't express it enough....be safe, be legal, and don't show off. Get's you in trouble no matter where you live.

Glurrk · Post by **Glurrk** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:57 pm

My own two cents (for what it's worth)

My Raiders holster has a blank-firing revolver (which I have no blanks for) and I seldom remove it. As I only wear the gunbelt around Halloween, I never take the gun out in public. I guess I got the prop gun to be a completist; an empty holster just doesn't feel right...

(I will never own a real firearm. People should be entitled to bear arms if they want- I do not trust myself with one.)

Shtick · Post by **Shtick** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:20 am

I agree with you Glurrk. I have a squirt gun in my holster, which I filled with caulk to make it heavier, and hang on my waist better.

But I'm really nervous about owning and carrying a real firearm I have always wanted a Webley, but I'm on the fence about having one.

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:10 am

pschtyckque wrote:But I'm really nervous about owning and carrying a real firearm I have always wanted a Webley, but I'm on the fence about having one.

If you find a Webley that takes a true .455 shell, it's pretty useless as far as firing goes. If it hasn't been reamed out, it's probably not going to take any other type of cartridge other than the .455 and those are rare. Michaelson will know more.

Personal Experience: I know at my dad's house he has a few revolvers on display in a locked glass case. When I asked him why he puts these guns out on display and others in his safe, his response was that he didn't have shells for the ones on display and the shells are hard to come by. One of his pistols takes a .41 caliber shell.

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Another method is to deactivate the gun. A gunsmith can deactivate the gun using method like cutting off the firing pin and such. This makes the gun unable to fire anything. It does, however, decrease the value of the gun.

If you don't feel comfortable owning a firearm, it's totally understandable. I know exactly how you feel. What changed it for me was, not only was I uncomfortable, i didn't understand. The thought of me being in a situation where a gun might be involved and me not knowing how it operates or what to expect was very unsettling for me.

If you have any questions or concerns, the mods here are very helpful and extremely knowledgeable.

Just my $0.06
Pyro.

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:13 am

House Detective wrote:Guns? I live in Texas.........

HD, you are invited to come to one of our meetings out in Canyon Lake, RonC, Tip Burns (Gun Smith) and I go out there and talk guns. Sort of a mini summit.

Pyro.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:47 am

Pyroxene brings up some good points here. I will not wax philosophical, or political, with what I am about to say, so here goes: Firearms, in any form, are nothing more than tools. They are much the same as an automobile...if you don't know how to operate it, it will probably be dangerous in your hands. If you do decide to own a firearm, I highly recommend that you get proper training in its handling and use. There are plenty of responsible firearms owners around that will be more than happy to assist you with this. Be safe, and have fun!

Ron

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