All the Raiders Jacket details in one place...

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:34 am

Agent5: I added the link to that other site so the pictures can be viewed.

Sounds good. I knew that nobody from here deleted them as AOL took it upon themselves to delete my entire account of photos, gear and otherwise. I was not happy.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:41 am

No, I did not say they did. There wa a misunderstanding there- a Moderator deleted the pictures I posted here from your post on the other site.

I know your old spec post was devoid of photos, which is why I contacted you off-line regarding that before I posted your specs in the second post.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:27 am

D'OH! Yes, my bad. I did misunderstand.

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:59 am

No problem. It happens! ;-)

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:54 pm

OK! I'm done. (for now at least). ;-)

I have read through all 65 pages in the jacket section, and I think what I have compiled here is quite complete.

I'm sure new information will surface over time, but until then, I think I'm done.

Thanks to everyone who contributed, and best of luck to everyone who is looking for a new jsacket!

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:57 pm

Shameless bump.

It has been only a couple weeks and already the questions on this very subject come in.

It must get annoying for you guys who have been here for a while.

Again I must insist that any new members interested in a jacket read this entire thread and all the links contained herein. There is a LOT of information, now in one convenient place.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:55 pm

Holt answered a question about Wested order sizes, and thought I'd post it here. He said that when ordering a Custom, the custom is cut 5 inches larger in the chest, than the size you normally report, like a 42 or 44, etc.

The Standard is cut 4 inches larger.

You might want to specify 4 extra inches for instance, when ordering a custom.

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:58 pm

yes thats true...

a ''of the rack'' wested from India has 4 inches above size.

a UK made ''standard'' wested comes with 5 inches above size.

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:15 pm

Does anyone out there have a spec list for an LC jacket?

JC1972 · Post by **JC1972** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:42 pm

Does the silver zipper look okay with the authentic brown? Or just with the dark brown? Seems like the brass would be better with the authentic brown.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:15 am

silver all the way... looks perfect.

JC1972 · Post by **JC1972** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:26 am

Thanks Holt. And has anyone gotten the authentic brown and put Pecard's on it? Just wondering how much darker it got. I think dark brown is the way to go since even though authentic brown was used, by the time it was done after being distressed, it looked dark brown.
Also what's the difference between 80's cut and standard cut? If I have a 40 inch chest, what size in a Wested, would I take? For my G&B, I have a 44T. Thanks!

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:24 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:yes thats true...

a ''of the rack'' wested from India has 4 inches above size.

unless it's an "of the rack" ROLA from India. Mine only has 3 inches above size.

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:31 pm

This thread is great! I'm contemplating a custom jacket order and this is helping immensely. I'm for stickying it!

Thanks for all your work J!M, and everyone else!

Randy

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:58 pm

Actually NB, my new G&B Expedition, size 40R, has a pocket size of 8 x 6.75.
It's only a quarter of an inch I know, but it does make a difference.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:10 pm

NB I think the 8" measurement is not accurate, and Chris King's measurement is more accurate.

Someone measuring in a hurry could fairly easily get 8" measured especially if the tape was slightly slack.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:24 pm

neutronbomb wrote:I don't disagree with that at all. Either way the pocket specs need to be updated on page 1 with what is actually correct. For sure, I think the 6.0" pocket width was a typo taken from the CS specs which are right next to the ROLA specs. If the actual specs are indeed 7.5" x 6.5", then we need to know that.

It isn't 7.5 it's larger

Really these specs are not necessary when ordering from certain jacket makers.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:34 pm

I think Todd's is already based on an actual jacket as well. Both the special and custom, although obviously the Custom can be altered for an individual.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:49 pm

RCSignals wrote:I think Todd's is already based on an actual jacket as well. Both the special and custom, although obviously the Custom can be altered for an individual.

Todd had been working on his own specs for some time but I think he also conferred with _ on the specs _ had gleaned from examining the stunt jacket.

This would have to be confirmed as I'm going from memory and that's never 100%.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:22 am

It seems I've caused some confusion here.

Just to clarify - I can confirm with 100% accuracy that my Nowak jacket pockets were exactly 6.5 inches wide x 8 inches tall.
The pocket flap measured 3 inches (from the top of the "piping" to the very bottom edge of the tip).

All these measurements were taken with a metal tape which was obviously not slack.

Hope that clears it up.

Cheers,

Chris

RCSignals wrote:NB I think the 8" measurement is not accurate, and Chris King's measurement is more accurate.

Someone measuring in a hurry could fairly easily get 8" measured especially if the tape was slightly slack.

CM · Post by CM » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:20 pm

Kevin Anderson wrote:Actually NB, my new G&B Expedition, size 40R, has a pocket size of 8 x 6.75.
It's only a quarter of an inch I know, but it does make a difference.

My G&B size 42 T has a pocket of 8 by 6.5 exactly.

orb · Post by **orb** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:15 pm

neutronbomb wrote:The specs for TN's pocket dimensions on page one needs to be corrected to read width of 6.5" on the pockets.

"#000/888 Measurements that I took:
Front Flap w/ Collar Stand vertically from bottom to top: 23"
Shoulder from sleeve seam to collar seam: ~7"
Sleeves from cuff to sleeve seam: between 25 1/2" to 25 3/4"
Back vertical length from Collar Stand to Lower back panel: 23"
Chest width: 22 1/2"
Waist width: 21 1/2"
Pockets: 8" x 6.5" (Crystal Skull Pocket for comparison: 7.5" x 6")" - from jacket 000/888 thread

So the chestsize of the Raiders Jacket was even Bigger as on the CS Jacket then (22 Inch on CS)
That would mean both jackets are about a size 40R?

Regards

orb

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:10 am

I have some new specs under development,
I will post them soon for any friends interested.

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:22 pm

I know this topic has come up before, when talking about the Raiders jacket length. It came up again in Indiana G's jacket thread, so we figured it would be nice to discuss it without hijacking his thread, so here we go.

Zendragon wrote:Not to get off topic, but since we are discussing back length.

I was looking at an Indiana Jones book over the weekend, which has tons of pics in it.

To me, the 000/888 jacket looks off. Either the sleeves look too long or the jacket length looks too short. It almost appears that there is about a 6" inch difference from the bottom of the jacket to the bottom of the arms.

Sure, this could just be camera angles, and please forgive me if this has already been answered, but are we sure that the Raider's jacket that HF wore was 23" in the back? Or is this the measurement that Tony got from the jacket he copied?

With my G&B, there is only about 3" or so difference between the sleeves and the bottom of the jacket and that one is based off of the measurements that _ took from another screen used jacket.

This is why I say that G's jacket looks closer to what my eyes are used to seeing. Thoughts? Again, sorry if this has been talked about already, I missed it if it had.

Baldwyn wrote: I like this photoshop that Holt did of Ford with the 000 jacket.

It was pointed out that Han Solo's pants rode higher than Indy's, so the while the arm length may look correct, the jacket length could still be off.

Yojimbo Jones was kind enough to post some comparison photos of his jacket

So the question is, do we know what the length of Harrison Ford's Raider's jacket was?

We have the measurements that _ took from a hero jacket, which I believe a couple of companies use now.
We have the measurements that TN gave us from the hero jacket that he copied.

Of course those numbers don't appear to match. Now it is the general consensus I believe, that all of the Raider's jackets made were to HF's specs and that the stunt people were similar in size to HF. So I am wondering which number is correct? Are any of them correct? Both?

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:26 pm

Those pictures actually make it very clear that the back length on your jacket is short, especically the last one, the replica and fords look the same length alright but the replica doesn't have the huge fold that is very apparent in Fords jacket, and the first one its hard to see correctly.

Peter has said the Raiders jacket was 1 inch shorter than the TOD which was 26 inch. The last crusade was 26 inch as well. And the CS was 26.5

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:29 pm

I wanted to make an observation about the photo comparisons from Yojimbo's jacket

In both photos, while it looks like they match up pretty well, there is something missing in Yojimbo's jacket that is in both of the HF pics, and that's the jacket wrinkles and buckling in the back. It is more evident in the second photo, but is still there in the top photo as well. You will notice that Yojimbo's back is mainly flat and lacks the folds, puffed out areas and wrinkles that the screen cap has. To my eyes, this would indicate that the jacket seen on screen is longer than it appears in the photos

Post by **Holt** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:31 pm

I also keep notiing on several Nowak jackets is that the pleat looks to narrow to me. look at Indy's. it is at least 1,5''

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:34 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:Yojimbo those pictures actually make it very clear that the back length on your jacket is short, especically the last one, yours and fords look the same length alright but yours doesn't have the huge fold that is very apparent in Fords jacket, and the first one its hard to see correctly.

Peter has said the Raiders jacket was 1 inch shorter than the TOD which was 26 inch. The last crusade was 26 inch as well. And the CS was 26.5

Not to be anoying or anything, but the jacket in the second picture ends lowr on Yojimbo than it does on Ford, so the fold you are talking about is actualy no proof at all that that jacket is longer. It looks to me like it's spot-on.

However, you can easily get jackets with longer backs, even from Tony: just tell him that's what you want

Regards, Geert

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:35 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I also keep notiing on several Nowak jackets is that the pleat looks to narrow to me. look at Indy's. it is at least 1,5''

I would imagine that it is totally possible that the hero jackets are not totally identical, which certainly explains the differences in some things...

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:36 pm

gwyddion wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:Yojimbo those pictures actually make it very clear that the back length on your jacket is short, especically the last one, yours and fords look the same length alright but yours doesn't have the huge fold that is very apparent in Fords jacket, and the first one its hard to see correctly.

Peter has said the Raiders jacket was 1 inch shorter than the TOD which was 26 inch. The last crusade was 26 inch as well. And the CS was 26.5
Not to be anoying or anything, but the jacket in the second picture ends lowr on Yojimbo than it does on Ford, so the fold you are talking about is actualy no proof at all that that jacket is longer. It looks to me like it's spot-on.

However, you can easily get jackets with longer backs, even from Tony: just tell him that's what you want

Regards, Geert

Well I know you can request different measurements... I am more curious as to what the measurement IS rather than can a vendor change something.

Everything else here is just a discussion of observations, even Dutch's working of very clear, may be a little hard. I am sure to him it is clear just as to you, it looks spot on.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:49 pm

Man Yojimbo the texture in your jacket looks spot on

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:51 pm

Yes you are right. But that's why I said "It looks to me" and in the sentece before it mentioned that a fold is no proof.

Though Yojimbo's posing might be great, it isn't perfect: If you look closely you'll see that Ford has curved his spine so we can see his buttox in the first pic and has curved it so his left hip is higher up in the second one while Yojimbo's poses lack this.

This could explain the lack of folding on the backpanel and could also explain why the jacket looks longer on ford to Dutch' eyes. I'm not saying it is proof he's wrong, just saying the "proof" we can take from these pictures is ambiguous as it isn't a perfect comparrison.

Regards, Geert

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:57 pm

gwyddion wrote:Yes you are right. But that's why I said "It looks to me" and in the sentece before it mentioned that a fold is no proof.

Though Yojimbo's posing might be great, it isn't perfect: If you look closely you'll see that Ford has curved his spine so we can see his buttox in the first pic and has curved it so his left hip is higher up in the second one while Yojimbo's poses lack this.

This could explain the lack of folding on the backpanel and could also explain why the jacket looks longer on ford to Dutch' eyes. I'm not saying it is proof he's wrong, just saying the "proof" we can take from these pictures is ambiguous as it isn't a perfect comparrison.

Regards, Geert

I agree 100% Like we have all said before, photos can be misleading.

I think though, that if that comparrison is supposed to show that the two jackets are alike, it doesn't really do that in my eyes, it makes me see those folds and wonder

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:14 pm

Part of _'s description of the jacket he examined was brought up here recently. Did it not state that the jacket had the rear arm seam lining up with the back panel seam, and the back panel lower? Isn't that one of the areas of the jacket changed by 'fan' input?

Someone (NB?) speculated the jacket _ measured might have been the Bantu Wind jacket.

T.E. Lawrence · Post by **T.E. Lawrence** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:16 am

Ah DING DANG IT!!!
I thought Templars did me in and I was DONE with Indy Gear but this post Pulled me back in....UGH..... I love the ROTLA jacket. I dont even have a Fav anymore... (I have my least Favs but even they have their merrits)
For what it is to worth anyone's research -- here is a reissue of something I through together back in the early days of my addiction. I have never owned (Or been owned by) Todds or Tony's or Magnollis jacket but there is still time......

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:12 am

Ok boys, are you saying I've got to climb on my office lounge again and twist more?

Because I felt like enough of a D*&k the first time...

Anyway, I noticed the lack of back twist, rigid back (and the fact my jacket was pulling to much to the far side) when I first took the photo, but it was awkward, the camera was on a timer, and I'd had enough. However, I can assure you that there's plenty of length for me to replicate it with the fold if you really want me to. Ditto the sort of thing in the first shot. My strap isn't very tight, and the jacket was far more rigid in those first few days of owning it. It looks far more crumply now.

Yeah Holt, the pleat looks a bit narrow there, but the ones on my Wested are 1.5 and are WAY too big. In this shot, they look thinner than their 1" for some reason, which looks pretty much dead on in person. Can't explain it in this shot though. EDIT - mystery solved - the pleat on that side isn't as deep as the other by a few mm's.

Dutch, thanks for the compliment re texture. It's even more so now, after only a few weeks. I'm very happy with it.

All-in-all, re length, it looks much longer now it has broken in, esp. at the back. I cringe when I see those other shots of me dead-on. Compared to the Han Solo shot above, it looks a few inches longer now. I'd say that lens distorion of the jacket in the Han Solo shot makes his jacket look shorter than it really is.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:04 am

T.E., I love the "mystery meat" definition of the Disney jacket.

How long ago was that comparison made?

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:14 am

Yojimbo Jones wrote:Ok boys, are you saying I've got to climb on my office lounge again and twist more?
Because I felt like enough of a D*&k the first time...

Anyway, I noticed the lack of back twist, rigid back (and the fact my jacket was pulling to much to the far side) when I first took the photo, but it was awkward, the camera was on a timer, and I'd had enough. However, I can assure you that there's plenty of length for me to replicate it with the fold if you really want me to. Ditto the sort of thing in the first shot. My strap isn't very tight, and the jacket was far more rigid in those first few days of owning it. It looks far more crumply now.

Yeah Holt, the pleat looks a bit narrow there, but the ones on my Wested are 1.5 and are WAY too big. In this shot, they look thinner than their 1" for some reason, which looks pretty much dead on in person. Can't explain it in this shot though. EDIT - mystery solved - the pleat on that side isn't as deep as the other by a few mm's.

Dutch, thanks for the compliment re texture. It's even more so now, after only a few weeks. I'm very happy with it.

All-in-all, re length, it looks much longer now it has broken in, esp. at the back. I cringe when I see those other shots of me dead-on. Compared to the Han Solo shot above, it looks a few inches longer now. I'd say that lens distorion of the jacket in the Han Solo shot makes his jacket look shorter than it really is.

Nah, it isn't neccessary

I think the point was that photos alone don't really answer the question, which is... what was the Raider's measurements. Like I said, the jacket _ measured way back when was one thing... and now we have the one that TN measured and copied. We know little about what TN copied, but from what _ said, they one he measured was a stunt jacket. It is my understandning though that stunt or not, the jacket size would have remained the same.

So which is it? 23", 25.5" or something else? Both?

Now there is yet another observation that might lend itself to the 23" theroy.

Just as in the comarison pics from Yojimbo, there are folds and what not in the screen used jacket, which could make the back look longer. Well in almost every pic I have seen, the arms are very much like that too... which if they were flat, like that of a new TN raiders, well they coud look longer. Just a thought.

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:14 am

T.E. Lawrence wrote:Ah DING DANG IT!!!
I thought Templars did me in and I was DONE with Indy Gear but this post Pulled me back in....UGH..... I love the ROTLA jacket. I dont even have a Fav anymore... (I have my least Favs but even they have their merrits)
For what it is to worth anyone's research -- here is a reissue of something I through together back in the early days of my addiction. I have never owned (Or been owned by) Todds or Tony's or Magnollis jacket but there is still time......

mmmmmm mystery meat

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:21 am

Humm. It's a 'Disney' jacket. I wonder if any of their magic forest creatures are missing in order to make that leather?

I'm sure they use the rest to make Vienna Sausage.

Regards! Michaelson

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:23 am

Michaelson wrote:Humm. It's a 'Disney' jacket. I wonder if any of their magic forest creatures are missing in order to make that leather?

They used Chip and Dale to make the pocket flaps.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:06 am

So THAT'S what happened to the Rescue Rangers!

Regards! Michaelson

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:08 am

I found the following very interesting,

As you can see, the buckles almost seem identical

T.E. Lawrence · Post by **T.E. Lawrence** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:42 am

Looks like bothe Wested and US.Wings offer that buckle....WOW look at the scallop on that pocket flap...now thats cinematic.

orb · Post by **orb** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:25 pm

Michaelson wrote:Humm. It's a 'Disney' jacket. I wonder if any of their magic forest creatures are missing in order to make that leather?

I'm sure they use the rest to make Vienna Sausage.

Regards! Michaelson

Hi Michaelson!

I hope you mean Frankfurter Sausage.

Greetings from Vienna, Austria

orb

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:58 pm

Nope. I'm talking about the little sausages packed in the can. Good old Frankfurters are another 'animal' all together.

Regards! Michaelson

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:38 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:I found the following very interesting,

As you can see, the buckles almost seem identical

Are those all Raiders jackets Dutch, or are some ToD jackets?

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:56 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:I found the following very interesting,

As you can see, the buckles almost seem identical
Are those all Raiders jackets Dutch, or are some ToD jackets?

Sorry I forgot to tell that ! its a TOD jacket. and the one on the right is the truck drag jacket.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:10 pm

This is follow up to the off topic stuff from the Todds jacket thread

Here's the wirebrush effects:

Raiders I think this is what best captures the true color of the Raiders jacket. The bottom pic shows smooth raiders jacket

Looks pretty smooth to me, also I have a hard time believing this jacket: is cowhide, its colourand texture looks almost identical to fords jacket. I know you can't identify a leather by pics but it would be very hard for another company to match this jacket supposedly made from cowhide to a lambskin jacket from another company that close..

Here are some pics of the raiders jacket that show the same effect on the stormflap as on the the temple of doom jacket above.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/ ... re24-1.png

And this one shows how smooth the jacket was:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/ ... re23-1.png

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:01 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:.......

And this one shows how smooth the jacket was:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/ ... re23-1.png

I think I see the problem you are having. Define 'smooth'