my friend tony ;)

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:57 pm

holt,

sleeves are 23.5" and the back is 24"

cheers,

G

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:59 pm

crismans wrote: Perhaps I just dreamed the whole thing? I did have a dream where my camping party were all killed by the Hulk the other night.

if we're talking dreams......i did have a dream that i went to tony's shop. this is was in february....which means i had to go on this trip or be left forever wanting

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:31 am

Indiana G wrote:
crismans wrote: Perhaps I just dreamed the whole thing? I did have a dream where my camping party were all killed by the Hulk the other night.
if we're talking dreams......i did have a dream that i went to tony's shop. this is was in february....which means i had to go on this trip or be left forever wanting

erm, OK. just lets hope Crismans doesn't have to go camping now

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:44 am

Just curious G, how much was the "dirty oil" jacket?

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:51 am

PSBIndy wrote:Just curious G, how much was the "dirty oil" jacket?

PM sent

Jorenz · Post by **Jorenz** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:55 am

Great jacket G. Thanks for posting the pics and your story. I wish I had kept up with your earlier posts. It would have been nice to meet up and buy you a drink. So when are you coming back down for your next jacket?

When you get a chance, I'd like to see some outdoor shots of the jacket.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:23 am

RCSignals wrote:
Michaelson wrote:........

Oh, and I sure wish Tony would get around to reading email again. I've sent a couple to him regarding questions I have, and have received from other members, and he has yet to reply to any of them (with the exception of a quick note saying 'nice to hear from you!' No answers, but at least a nice 'hello!' More than I've received from a couple OTHER vendors that will remain un-named. )

Regards! Michaelson

gwyddion wrote:.........

Oh, and Michaelson, I think you'd better call Tony: I'm getting the impression that he just dislikes talking trough e-mail and loves to be able to talk to someone in "real-time".

Regards, Geert
Geert is correct. If Tony doesn't answer an email, it's best to call him on the telephone. At a minimum include your telephone number in the email.
He's been extremely busy lately and even hard to get on the telephone. Leave your number and he will get back to you. If you have a specific time you don't wan tot be called later than, tell him that too.

I appreciate that, and KNOW that, but Tony needs to understand a lot of us are slammed for time too, and as you well know, there IS no such thing as a 'short phone call' with Tony Nowak!

Thanks anyway. I'll muddle along myself, as usual....

Regards! Michaelson

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:25 am

No there isn't, is there

Regards, Geert

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:57 pm

I did have a short phone call with him one time. I got off feeling like I was in the Twilight Zone.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:25 pm

When he was working on my CS he used to call about 9-10 pm central time to discuss measurement , double check (measurements I had taken from another jacket), shoot the breeze about 'all things Indy' , always lasted at least 20 or more minutes.......my wife got so she would say as she handed me the phone : " It's your boyfriend "......

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:57 pm

Indiana G wrote:holt,

sleeves are 23.5" and the back is 24"

cheers,

G

How exactly do you measure the back? Where do you start measuring?

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:59 pm

I am digging the jacket, nice...

Sounds like you had loads of fun. I wasn't able to get to Tony's shop while in SCal this time, so I will plan for next time.

I like the added length in the jacket, it looks more correct to my eye.

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:15 pm

_ wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:holt,

sleeves are 23.5" and the back is 24"

cheers,

G
How exactly do you measure the back? Where do you start measuring?
Base of the collar stand to the hem...

I always wondered this myself. So um, which part is the collar stand lol? Is it the point where the collar is attached to the back panel? I want to measure my two westeds and G&B to compare. Thanks

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:17 pm

_ wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:
Indiana G wrote:holt,

sleeves are 23.5" and the back is 24"

cheers,

G
How exactly do you measure the back? Where do you start measuring?
Base of the collar stand to the hem...

Thanks

Post by **Holt** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:18 pm

from the bottom of the collarstand to the bottom of the jacket.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:38 pm

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:44 pm

Dutch_jones wrote: How exactly do you measure the back? Where do you start measuring?

from the bottom seam of the collar stand

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:46 pm

Zendragon wrote:
I like the added length in the jacket, it looks more correct to my eye.

and yet it isn't. One extra inch of length though doesn't make that much difference.

of course if you are long in the back that one inch can make all the difference

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:48 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:from the bottom of the collarstand to the bottom of the jacket.

;0

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:00 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Zendragon wrote:
I like the added length in the jacket, it looks more correct to my eye.
and yet it isn't. One extra inch of length though doesn't make that much difference.

of course if you are long in the back that one inch can make all the difference

It isn't based on what information? Not to get off topic, so you can answer via a PM.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:05 pm

Zendragon wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
Zendragon wrote:
I like the added length in the jacket, it looks more correct to my eye.
and yet it isn't. One extra inch of length though doesn't make that much difference.

of course if you are long in the back that one inch can make all the difference
It isn't based on what information? Not to get off topic, so you can answer via a PM.

The added length isn't correct. originally it is 23"

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:10 pm

Hatch wrote:When he was working on my CS he used to call about 9-10 pm central time to discuss measurement , double check (measurements I had taken from another jacket), shoot the breeze about 'all things Indy' , always lasted at least 20 or more minutes.......my wife got so she would say as she handed me the phone : " It's your boyfriend "......

ha ha!!! when i was ordering my jackets via phone, i'd always fill the family in with what tony and i discussed. it would always start out with, "that was tony nowak......he made the crystal skull jackets for harrison ford you know........"...after some synchronized rolling of the eyes from both of them, the oldest would always say, "why don't you just marry him then???"

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:17 pm

Indiana G wrote:
Hatch wrote:When he was working on my CS he used to call about 9-10 pm central time to discuss measurement , double check (measurements I had taken from another jacket), shoot the breeze about 'all things Indy' , always lasted at least 20 or more minutes.......my wife got so she would say as she handed me the phone : " It's your boyfriend "......
ha ha!!! when i was ordering my jackets via phone, i'd always fill the family in with what tony and i discussed. it would always start out with, "that was tony nowak......he made the crystal skull jackets for harrison ford you know........"...after some synchronized rolling of the eyes from both of them, the oldest would always say, "why don't you just marry him then???"

How many wives do you have G ?

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:26 pm

_, sometimes the muscles just aren't enough to keep control .......

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:31 pm

sorry, i meant the oldest DAUGHTER

don't worry.......each wife that i have thinks that they are the only one.......

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:53 pm

Just to be clear here, the TN is 23 inch in the back standard on all sizes?
Because I seem to recall the 23" was the HF measurement but harrison was a size 40? I always assumed that it would go up with size?

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:24 pm

_ wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:Just to be clear here, the TN is 23 inch in the back standard on all sizes?
Because I seem to recall the 23" was the HF measurement but harrison was a size 40? I always assumed that it would go up with size?
23" has to be just for the 40 R base size?

yeah that is what I thought, but then at a 44 Indiana G should have a longer back? He asked for 1 inch more so initially that was 23"

I don't know ! I might be mistaken here! G shed some light? What is the back length on your other two TN 1's?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:42 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:
_ wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:Just to be clear here, the TN is 23 inch in the back standard on all sizes?
Because I seem to recall the 23" was the HF measurement but harrison was a size 40? I always assumed that it would go up with size?
23" has to be just for the 40 R base size?
yeah that is what I thought, but then at a 44 Indiana G should have a longer back? He asked for 1 inch more so initially that was 23"

I don't know ! I might be mistaken here! G shed some light? What is the back length on your other two TN 1's?

23" is the back length of HFs Raider jacket. That length though won't necessarily change just because a persons chest size goes up. It will change depending on someones height and back length. (or simply jacket length preference. If you mostly wear more modern more low cut pants you may need it longer)

I believe G told me his Raider jacket chest measurement is over 22". The HF Raider chest measurement is 22.5", meant for his 40" chest but I think that jacket size would fit a 42" as well, and obviously G's 44"

The sizes of the HF jackets themselves is interesting. The CS jacket measurements are for some of it actually slightly smaller than the Raider, even though people think the CS is bigger. (referring to HF size )

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:48 pm

_ wrote:23" has to be just for the 40 R base size?

I'm 6'1" and would normally take a 43" chest, with relatively broad shoulders and long arms. When I measured myself for my jacket, giving myself a snug chest fit and slightly longer sleeve length, and gave the measurements to Tony, he said "Do you know you're Harrison Ford's size except for the sleeve length?" IE the same as 000/888. The lenght looks shortish, but is spot on in comparison pics. Don't know if that helps.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:52 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote:
_ wrote:23" has to be just for the 40 R base size?
I'm 6'1" and would normally take a 43" chest, with relatively broad shoulders and long arms. When I measured myself for my jacket, giving myself a snug chest fit and slightly longer sleeve length, and gave the measurements to Tony, he said "Do you know you're Harrison Ford's size except for the sleeve length?" IE the same as 000/888. The lenght looks shortish, but is spot on in comparison pics. Don't know if that helps.

That confirms what I said above about the jacket size. It should fit up to about 44" chest when in HF size

The other aspect is also the peculiarity of the jacket. The way it falls back gives it an effective longer back length when worn.

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:13 pm

Not to get off topic, but since we are discussing back length.

I was looking at an Indiana Jones book over the weekend, which has tons of pics in it.

To me, the 000/888 jacket looks off. Either the sleeves look too long or the jacket length looks too short. It almost appears that there is about a 6" inch difference from the bottom of the jacket to the bottom of the arms.

Sure, this could just be camera angles, and please forgive me if this has already been answered, but are we sure that the Raider's jacket that HF wore was 23" in the back? Or is this the measurement that Tony got from the jacket he copied?

With my G&B, there is only about 3" or so difference between the sleeves and the bottom of the jacket and that one is based off of the measurements that _ took from another screen used jacket.

This is why I say that G's jacket looks closer to what my eyes are used to seeing. Thoughts? Again, sorry if this has been talked about already, I missed it if it had.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:22 pm

Zendragon wrote: This is why I say that G's jacket looks closer to what my eyes are used to seeing. Thoughts? Again, sorry if this has been talked about already, I missed it if it had.

I like this photoshop that Holt did of Ford with the 000 jacket.

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:23 pm

Zendragon wrote:Not to get off topic, but since we are discussing back length.

I was looking at an Indiana Jones book over the weekend, which has tons of pics in it.

To me, the 000/888 jacket looks off. Either the sleeves look too long or the jacket length looks too short. It almost appears that there is about a 6" inch difference from the bottom of the jacket to the bottom of the arms.

Sure, this could just be camera angles, and please forgive me if this has already been answered, but are we sure that the Raider's jacket that HF wore was 23" in the back? Or is this the measurement that Tony got from the jacket he copied?

With my G&B, there is only about 3" or so difference between the sleeves and the bottom of the jacket and that one is based off of the measurements that _ took from another screen used jacket.

This is why I say that G's jacket looks closer to what my eyes are used to seeing. Thoughts? Again, sorry if this has been talked about already, I missed it if it had.

The jacket Tony measured was 23". I just measured my sleeves and hey are about 7-7.5" longer than the bottom hem. That would bring the standard difference back to 6" on the stock version, so yes, your guess is correct. Are you talking about the complete making of book? What pages? I am about 6' away from my copy, but perhaps this discussion should be taken to another thread, away from G's awesome jacket. Back length, etc. discussions always infect everything.

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:31 pm

Baldwyn wrote:
Zendragon wrote: This is why I say that G's jacket looks closer to what my eyes are used to seeing. Thoughts? Again, sorry if this has been talked about already, I missed it if it had.
I like this photoshop that Holt did of Ford with the 000 jacket.

That's very cool. Couple of things worth noting about han's costume. Those pants ran a little high at the waist, higher than the Indy pants IMO, so while the arm length looks correct, the jacket length may still be short.

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:32 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote:
Zendragon wrote:Not to get off topic, but since we are discussing back length.

I was looking at an Indiana Jones book over the weekend, which has tons of pics in it.

To me, the 000/888 jacket looks off. Either the sleeves look too long or the jacket length looks too short. It almost appears that there is about a 6" inch difference from the bottom of the jacket to the bottom of the arms.

Sure, this could just be camera angles, and please forgive me if this has already been answered, but are we sure that the Raider's jacket that HF wore was 23" in the back? Or is this the measurement that Tony got from the jacket he copied?

With my G&B, there is only about 3" or so difference between the sleeves and the bottom of the jacket and that one is based off of the measurements that _ took from another screen used jacket.

This is why I say that G's jacket looks closer to what my eyes are used to seeing. Thoughts? Again, sorry if this has been talked about already, I missed it if it had.
The jacket Tony measured was 23". I just measured my sleeves and hey are about 7-7.5" longer than the bottom hem. That would bring the standard difference back to 6" on the stock version, so yes, your guess is correct. Are you talking about the complete making of book? What pages? I am about 6' away from my copy, but perhaps this discussion should be taken to another thread, away from G's awesome jacket. Back length, etc. discussions always infect everything.

I don't have the book in my hands, but I will PM you and tell you which photo I was looking at. Maybe you can scan it or something.

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:36 pm

Zendragon wrote:That's very cool. Couple of things worth noting about han's costume. Those pants ran a little high at the waist, higher than the Indy pants IMO, so while the arm length looks correct, the jacket length may still be short.

Looks pretty much identical to me! I'm wearing a 23" back, 6'1" the same as Ford. Any questions / issues?

(edit - actually, the top pic makes me realise if I took off the extra arm length it would be MORE spot on. So I guess Ford has monkey arms too.)

Do we want to start another thread?

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:41 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote: Any questions / issues?

Yes: I fear your headgear isn't SA

Seriously? I think it looks just right. The problem with looking at the measurements is that because of the "off the shoulders" thingy they don't mean all that much.

Regards, Geert

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:53 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote:
Do we want to start another thread?

I agree and suspect that's the best thing to do, since this whole TN Raiders jacket back length issue has been discussed so much, and always gets to 'where did the jacket TN had to copy from from'

We don't want to get G mad and his thread closed.

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:54 pm

Yojimbo Jones wrote:
Zendragon wrote:That's very cool. Couple of things worth noting about han's costume. Those pants ran a little high at the waist, higher than the Indy pants IMO, so while the arm length looks correct, the jacket length may still be short.

Looks pretty much identical to me! I'm wearing a 23" back, 6'1" the same as Ford. Any questions / issues?

(edit - actually, the top pic makes me realise if I took off the extra arm length it would be MORE spot on. So I guess Ford has monkey arms too.)

Do we want to start another thread?

Let's.... leave G his thread and see if we can have a jacket discussion that doesn't end in a thread closure

Post by **Holt** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:56 pm

you dont have to start a new thread about thelength issue again....

just find one of the billion threads laying around allready..

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:57 pm

the first jacket in shrunken lamb (the one sold to indiana williams) was very tight in the chest and quite short. i believe that tony may have misunderstood my request for HF sizing to be for the 1981 HF, not the CS HF sizing. i could still wear the jacket due to the nature of shrunken lamb and it's plasticity, but the fit was off on my frame.

the next iteration of my shrunken lamb jacket had a roomier chest and waist and an extra inch added to the length. now please don't take my chest measurements and waist measurements off of 569 as gospel as i did a quick job in measuring it. this hide is quite thick and does not want to lay down or submit to accurate measurement. if i were a guessing man, the chest would be closer to 23" and the waist at around 20 to 21 inches....since i increased the body size, it was just common sense to give it more tail (_, get your head out of the gutter!

).

Zendragon · Post by **Zendragon** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:08 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:you dont have to start a new thread about thelength issue again....

just find one of the billion threads laying around allready..

fair enough, will find one

Edit: Found one... this seems to be the most logical place for the Raider's discussion

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35782&hilit=raider% ... &start=100

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:02 pm

Indiana G wrote:the first jacket in shrunken lamb (the one sold to indiana williams) was very tight in the chest and quite short. i believe that tony may have misunderstood my request for HF sizing to be for the 1981 HF, not the CS HF sizing. i could still wear the jacket due to the nature of shrunken lamb and it's plasticity, but the fit was off on my frame.

It could be just the opposite actually, he may have made your first Raiders to CS size and not the #000 size.

CS chest across 22"
CS bottom across 21"

Raiders chest across 22.5"
Raiders bottom across 21.5"

the extra back length you only needed because you are so tall

What's important is you have one or three that fit well

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:28 pm

if thats the case RC, then the two models differ in fit more than i thought

patty, here's a formula you can use if you ever meet a hot math geek (do they even exist???).....

RU
18( Q x d x pi )

anyone seen that before?

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:37 pm

Indiana G wrote:if thats the case RC, then the two models differ in fit more than i thought

patty, here's a formula you can use if you ever meet a hot math geek (do they even exist???).....

RU
18( Q x d x pi )

anyone seen that before?

Yes, but with a "t" where you have a "d"

Seen it on t-shirts a couple of times

Regards, Geert

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:00 pm

gwyddion wrote:
Indiana G wrote:if thats the case RC, then the two models differ in fit more than i thought

patty, here's a formula you can use if you ever meet a hot math geek (do they even exist???).....

RU
18( Q x d x pi )

anyone seen that before?
Yes, but with a "t" where you have a "d"
Seen it on t-shirts a couple of times

Regards, Geert

t is the imperial unit......we're in canada eh

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:39 pm

Thanks for posting that Indiana G, it was kind of like being there.

Rex

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:07 am

Indiana G wrote:if thats the case RC, then the two models differ in fit more than i thought

........

I suspect when the CS measurement is used on the Raiders jacket with higher arm holes, it made the chest tighter on you.

As I said it's interesting comparing the specs, as most people believe the CS jacket is a lot bigger than the Raiders jacket.