Last Crusade jacket thread

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:16 am

not bad, if the pocket flaps where deeper and the collar was more accurate that one would be a dead ringer !

Post by **Holt** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:19 am

uhmm... no it wouldnt..

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:24 am

Indiana Holt wrote:uhmm... no it wouldnt..

well it would look a heckuva lot more accurate?

Post by **Holt** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:24 am

uhmm...no it wouldnt..

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:28 am

have it your way.

Post by **Holt** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:49 am

the collar is bigger. the collarstand is different. it has press studs. the yolk is lower. the straps are shorter. there is no Xbox. it has D rings. the armholes are big. the jacket cut is tapered. the pockets are more square. the zipper is brass.

so..Uhhmm ...no it wouldnt..

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:07 am

the collar is bigger. the collarstand is different. it has press studs. the yolk is lower. the straps are shorter. there is no Xbox. it has D rings. the armholes are big. the jacket cut is tapered. the pockets are more square. the zipper is brass.

so..Uhhmm ...no it wouldnt..

I am not really understanding what you are saying here... Are you saying that Mags LC jacket IS NOT accurate or IS accurate? IS the list above what a LC should have or what mag's has???

Post by **Holt** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:12 am

oh my God.

thanx Jeff.

sorry Dutch... I thought you were talking about the Raiders jacket. the jacket that pocket you posted belongs too..

forget about what I said above...

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:12 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:oh my God. thanx Jeff.

sorry Dutch... I thought you were talking about the Raiders jacket. the jacket that pocket you posted belongs too..

forget about what I said above...

AAH i see !! ! LOL!!!!!!!!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:47 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:oh my God. thanx Jeff.

sorry Dutch... I thought you were talking about the Raiders jacket. the jacket that pocket you posted belongs too..

forget about what I said above...

the collar is bigger. the collarstand is different. it has press studs. the yolk is lower. the straps are shorter. there is no Xbox. it has D rings. the armholes are big. the jacket cut is tapered. the pockets are more square. the zipper is brass.

so..Uhhmm ...no it wouldnt..

So that's a list of what the LC jacket should have that the Raiders doesn't? Is that what you were saying? Or are you referring only to the the first Slydini jacket ?

This is why the first Slydini jacket should be forgotten in these discussions.

Post by **Holt** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:50 pm

yes that is what I am saying..I was talking about the how different the LC was from a raiders jacket...

but I mixed it all up... been pretty busy today... Im tired...not such a good mood...

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:35 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:oh my God. thanx Jeff.

sorry Dutch... I thought you were talking about the Raiders jacket. the jacket that pocket you posted belongs too..

forget about what I said above...

the collar is bigger. the collarstand is different. it has press studs. the yolk is lower. the straps are shorter. there is no Xbox. it has D rings. the armholes are big. the jacket cut is tapered. the pockets are more square. the zipper is brass.

so..Uhhmm ...no it wouldnt..
I only brought it up because in that picture it looked similar to me Hope nobody minds, but the dept of that pocket flap is actually pretty good for a LC one

So that's a list of what the LC jacket should have that the Raiders doesn't? Is that what you were saying? Or are you referring only to the the first Slydini jacket ?

This is why the first Slydini jacket should be forgotten in these discussions.

Bruce Wayne · Post by **Bruce Wayne** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:28 pm

does anyone know if the lc jacket has leather facings?
thanx!!!
Charlie

Han Jones · Post by **Han Jones** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:39 pm

Here is a good image of the pocket, what a big flap.

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:33 pm

And that sleeve and armhole looks no bigger than the Raiders jacket to me. Good pic.

CM · Post by CM » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:43 pm

Han Jones wrote:Here is a good image of the pocket, what a big flap.

Yes sir, that's always been the stand out feature to me. Any Wested LC jacket has always come with poor pocket design. Surely this is not hard to get right - or at least improve on. I.e., the pocket flap comes close to half way down the pocket.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:41 am

So the bottom hem of the jacket should be stitched, or not be stitched?

Some photos of 'auction' jackets it obviously is stitched, but other photos it looks like it may not be.

CM · Post by CM » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:08 am

bruce wayne wrote:does anyone know if the lc jacket has leather facings?
thanx!!!
Charlie

Many screen shots show it without facings.

orb · Post by **orb** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:55 am

CM wrote:
Han Jones wrote:Here is a good image of the pocket, what a big flap.

Yes sir, that's always been the stand out feature to me. Any Wested LC jacket has always come with poor pocket design. Surely this is not hard to get right - or at least improve on. I.e., the pocket flap comes close to half way down the pocket.

The pocket looks nearly square to me. So 7.5 (H) x 7 (W) with a 3.5" Flap should do the trick!

Regards

orb

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:06 am

Han Jones wrote:Here is a good image of the pocket, what a big flap.

The strap on that jacket is attached, whereas this shot from before the above scene, shows it's come loose

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:08 pm

Piers wrote:
Han Jones wrote:

Wow, I didn't realize the LC jacket had such deep pleats. And it's apparent that the side vent is stitched closed.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:16 pm

Piers wrote: The strap on that jacket is attached, whereas this shot from before the above scene, shows it's come loose

You sure it isn't just undone?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:18 pm

Baldwyn wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize the LC jacket had such deep pleats. And it's apparent that the side vent is stitched closed.

It doesn't look stitched closed to me. It does look like the side panel is turned under though.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:09 am

RCSignals wrote:
Baldwyn wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize the LC jacket had such deep pleats. And it's apparent that the side vent is stitched closed.
It doesn't look stitched closed to me. It does look like the side panel is turned under though.

Uh, ok, just in case my comment is unclear, I mean it's stitched closed at the top of the vent where the strap is. My TN CS is like that. Unlike the Raiders jacket (or at least the Raiders jacket I have).

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:38 am

OK, so you are saying the pleat is stitched closed at the strap. The vent is the opening below that.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:38 pm

RCSignals wrote:OK, so you are saying the pleat is stitched closed at the strap. The vent is the opening below that.

Yup, I realized I was unclear. I think that the "stitched sidevent" terminology was used on Wested's old website as a custom option, but I remember that even confused them when used

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:41 pm

The Smithsonian LC jacket has two different radius pocket bottom corners. The corner closest to the zipper a larger radius.
Is this something just on that jacket or all LC jackets in the movie?

Post by **Holt** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:22 pm

I think this is only uniqe to the smithsonian jacket.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:09 pm

Hey, I was looking at some images of the Kurtz jacket today and noticed that it has cloth collar stand inner facing like the Westeds of old.

I know that some say the Kurtz jacket is not screen used, don't know either way, but I'm curious if anyone can find evidence of the cloth collar stand facing in the film.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:52 pm

nope.

no jackets with cloth collarstands in the film.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:55 pm

The Kurtz jackets are coopers if I recall correctly,

Holt have you placed your order for the New LC jacket yet;)?

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:10 pm

no I havent. I had to wait for some cash to come in...

but still Im torn between this jacket and another raiders....

I cant decide

somebody make the choice for me

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:15 pm

Baldwyn wrote:Hey, I was looking at some images of the Kurtz jacket today and noticed that it has cloth collar stand inner facing like the Westeds of old.

I know that some say the Kurtz jacket is not screen used, don't know either way, but I'm curious if anyone can find evidence of the cloth collar stand facing in the film.

Baldwyn, Dutch, anyone with info on distressing method on this jacket ....did a search on Kurst jacket and couldn't find any details...not that it looks that natural but do wonder how they got color of leather and lining to look so close ???

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:30 pm

this jacket was sandpapered in a hurry in the backrooms just before it was sold on the auction..

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:36 pm

So, is the color match of cotton lining to leather distressing just a photo artifact ??..........man they must have used a dremel tool or a straight edge to get that straight line of 'distressing'.....

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:40 pm

It has the most bizarre and unnatural distressing of any LC jacket.

Does anyone know the full story behind this 'Kurtz' jacket?

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:40 pm

yes I beleieve so... just a coincedence... the flash makes the distressing look lighter then what it really is....

to get the exact same distressing lines,you need to wrap sandpaper around a wodden rectangular block. Then you need to lay the jacket as flat as you can and hold it straigth against the floor so the jacket wont escape while distressing.

no problem

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:50 pm

Holt, I thought you were getting a TN LC?

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:54 pm

no... I am really wanting to try to have the original maker to recreate the Last crusade jacket. becasue I think the pattern they use today is closer to the original jacket then what people might think... it just need some polishing...

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:25 pm

Kurtz as in Gary Kurtz, this jacket went on the auction block July 29th, 2005. It sold for $94,400.

http://emol.org/emclub/?q=starwarskurtzauction

It is believed that this was a back-room distressing job and this jacket was never used in production. I don't know what the arguments are for this. If it isn't screen used, it definitely is made to look like it was used in production from the damaged lining, worn through collar stand facing, Berman and Nathan's label with "Indy III" and FORD written on it.

http://filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8

BTW, if you look at the above link, it seems to me the Kurtz and Smithsonian jackets are at least similar in the way they were distressed.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:53 pm

Man , I hope the jacket looked better than the pictures OR that the statute of limitations has run out .....

Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:34 pm

Baldwyn wrote: it seems to me the Kurtz and Smithsonian jackets are at least similar in the way they were distressed.

and it stops right there!

they are worlds apart from eachother in style..

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:53 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:
and it stops right there!

they are worlds apart from eachother in style..

Agreed, that they are two similar but very different jackets.

It would be interesting to know the history of the 'Kurtz' jacket, from it's beginning.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:01 am

Thanks Holt

Kyle

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Sun May 03, 2009 9:37 am

Love this thread

The LC jacket mystery.... a movie could be made on this one item alone!
Here's another pic showing the Wested's version of the LC collar.

The back and side straps (placed 3" from bottom of jacket).

Cheers,
JTW.

Post by **Holt** » Sun May 03, 2009 11:59 am

the straps on your jacket is to low placed and the collar looks actually really good but a tad to pointy.

I love the backpanel.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun May 03, 2009 9:07 pm

how old is that one JTW?

Post by **Holt** » Sun May 03, 2009 10:34 pm

say what you want. even though this is ''confirmed'' to be lambskin and I believe that at least most of the jackets are made out of lambskin. This looks spot on to cowhide. I can see why so many people believe this is cowhide when looking at pictures or screen grabs like these. again it IS spot on to cowhide.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... ennavn.jpg

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun May 03, 2009 10:45 pm

That does scream cowhide (or moos it). There are several times in the movie where the jacket really appears to be cowhide. I would have sworn it was cowhide before I came here and heard about it being lamb.

jones the whip · Post by **jones the whip** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:25 am

RCSignals wrote:how old is that one JTW?

Actually, the top pic (front collar) was taken during the initial stages of distressing, about three months old. The pic of the back panel is a more recent one, fully distressed and the jacket is now a year and three months old.
Much colour changing and distressing has taken place, in fact I've never really stopped. I'm always finding another spot to mess with.

Holt is right - it looks a lot heavier and more substantial than actually is 'in the flesh'.
In fact, this jacket is quite light weight but it photographs very well.
JTW.