An Awesome Raiders Buckle Config!

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:18 am

i just been messin around with the buckle and side straps and found an awesome configuration...i think its pretty SA IMHO

mods i know there is more then 6 but i cant explain it in less..delete if its too much.

1) First take off one slider (they come off very easy just bend to the side and slip through loop)

2) Take slider over the whole slider/strap part.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd15 ... e005-1.jpg

3) pull strap through loop thats attached to strap.

4) go back up through both loops as in pic

5) and then at last you put strap under loop and pull tight

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd15 ... ure009.jpg

in the end it will look like this..

any questions or confusions please feel free to pm

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:09 pm

Congrats! That's the best rectangular ring configuration I've seen!!! Nice work.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:40 pm

Looks good. If I had to make a single 'negative' observation, should the strap ever come loose without being noticed, you have an excellent chance of losing the one loose slider rather than just attaching it next to the other slider in the loop.

Personally I always err to the 'safe side', but that's just me.

Other than that, looks good!

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Holt** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:45 pm

awesome! awesome

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:58 pm

Heyjude, I guess it just takes a Navy man to know how to 'adjust the rigging'......

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:52 pm

Thanks Gents! it holds pretty well....i wore my jacket all day and it didnt even look like loosing...but time will tell for that... i hope it was useful to everyone

you know it Hatch

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:27 pm

It looks like it should hold well.
You've basically created a modified locking tri-bar.

Clutters · Post by **Clutters** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:53 pm

just brilliant.

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:17 pm

Thanks Gents, i feel like i discovered a new planet or something... i was so excited that i figured it out, i couldnt sleeep till i wrote it down and took pics of it.

This place (cOW) is like a second family n its kool to find new things n discuss them n see different views from around the world

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:48 pm

I think RC is right and this looks like it would hold up fine as long as it doesn't get snagged on something and open up. Ya know, this MIGHT be how it was done on the Raiders jacket because there is a fold, yet I could never make out a center piece on a tri-glide and never could see both of the rectangluar black rings either, so this one may be it. Just goes to show you that even though many of us have been here for almost a decade (some at it longer than that) and we are still discovering new possibilities. Who woulda thunk it?

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:18 pm

im starting to think the same as you, Agent5.. they could have used this way cuz they were coming undone, or just did it like this for the heck of it..
to me, i think it looks the same, it has the fold and you can see one slider on 1 side

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:50 pm

I still think the ones in the movie pictured there are a tri-bar. They just have that slightly wider and one piece appearance.
They certainly could have though done this rectangular slider mod on some jackets though as replacements when a strap came undone, a buckle was maybe lost etc. It really does maintains the tri-bar buckle look.
I doubt you'll have problems with it.

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:55 pm

i put tri-bars on and it didnt have that extra hump/fold in it..in the middle... ya know what i mean?

Post by **Holt** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:58 pm

I know what you mean.,..

thanx to you my friend I am more then convinced that this is how they did it on the original...

Im liking this way more better then my tri glides.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:07 pm

Heyjude7 wrote:i put tri-bars on and it didnt have that extra hump/fold in it..in the middle... ya know what i mean?

I think it depends on the tri-bar used. The jacket no one likes mentioned uses a tri-bar that gives a bump in the middle and holds well.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:09 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I know what you mean.,..

thanx to you my friend I am more then convinced that this is how they did it on the original...

Im liking this way more better then my tri glides.

It should hold well, but don't you think this configuration is unique enough that someone would have remembered doing when making the original? I know, dangerous question.

It should just be labeled the 'HeyJude buckle'

Post by **Holt** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:17 pm

no I dont think someone would remember since this is 30 years ago...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:29 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:no I dont think someone would remember since this is 30 years ago...

I don't know if that's an excuse. You'd be surprised what people can remember from 30 years ago.

Anyway, Heyjude did a good job of it.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:27 am

i think it's a great configuration, but i think it's a pretty far reach if you're saying that this is THE hardware configuration.

it would be an easier pill to swallow if this hardware was a pronged 3 bar buckle....there are some instances (i believe KT posted some pics) where you could almost see the prongs...that's a reach as well mind you, but it's more convincing to me.

we were also told that the strap did have some penetrations in them (at least the jacket that big tony got).......then again, _ commented that the terry leonard jacket had the rectangular sliders. who knows, maybe peter sent it out with d-rings, got changed by nadoolman to 3-bar buckles with prongs, then they didn't like the prongs cuz it kept getting caught on stuff, then went back to rectangular sliders......one fell off so they just slipped it back on like heyjude's configuration cuz uncle george was finishing up his third frappaccino and was antsy for stevie to call action.....who knows??? it's anybody's guess......it's all on how far the jacket nazi in you is willing to reach

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:48 am

RCSignals wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:I know what you mean.,..

thanx to you my friend I am more then convinced that this is how they did it on the original...

Im liking this way more better then my tri glides.
It should hold well, but don't you think this configuration is unique enough that someone would have remembered doing when making the original? I know, dangerous question.

It should just be labeled the 'HeyJude buckle'

RC, im likin the way that sounds... has a nice ring to it

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:01 am

Personally I think the two prong buckle on a Raiders is a stretch. I think it looks good on IndyG's jacket though.
When I think of straps on a jacket like that I think of either that kind of two prong buckle or a tri-bar.
When I asked Tony about perforations in the straps he didn't seem to know what I was talking about.
What I do know is he sourced a thri-bar buckle that duplicated what he had in that jacket. The buckle is narrower than the Todd's buckle and has a curve to it, which contributes to the 'raised' center bump when the strap goes through. The strap being thick doesn't hurt either. It's three layers of leather, coincidently just as _ described about the jacket he examined.

Now as for the 'HeyJude buckle', I think it's the way forward with rectangular sliders. They shouldn't be done any other way.

Clutters · Post by **Clutters** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:46 pm

I agree. I have just altered both my Raiders Westeds to the HeyJude configuration. The straps look 100% more accurate now, and show no signs of slipping.

Yet another great find for the community.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:05 pm

Now Clutters, it's the 'Heyjude buckle' configuration

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:03 pm

giggity!

its a strong hold to tell ya the truth

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:20 pm

Heyjude7 wrote:......

its a strong hold to tell ya the truth

I think the way the strap goes through, puling on either end of the strap would tighten it in the buckle.

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:03 am

like a self tightening knot almost

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:26 am

This is an interesting and clever solution, I will definitely give it a go.

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd · Post by **HWaltonJonesJr.Phd** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:48 am

"...then you begin to make it better."

Brilliant. The 'Heyjude Config' looks great on my ToD and those long straps never looked right until now.

Thanks for tinkering, H

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:24 am

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:58 pm

Can we sticky this?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:48 am

It's not just a 'configuration', it's really a new buckle even if it uses two rectangles. So 'HeyJude Buckle' it should be

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:57 am

So, you're suggesting that D-rings will not work with a lambskin jacket? Because of the thin hide?
I can't understand why. I had two god-awful lambskin LC's from Wested, and the one thing I couldn't find issue
with were the straps and d-rings. They seemed to hold just fine, and I wore it quite a bit.
The leather did feel fairly thick though, If I remember correctly. Not too different to my G&B goat.
Perhaps that was why they worked ok.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:39 am

Congrats.
I am a tribar man but this one works well.

I still don't see why you did this

and didn't go straight to pass it through the bottom slider from here

Can you explain?

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:40 am

Im not understanding the question? i tried a few different ways but the way i finally came to worked the best and looked the part

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:22 am

So, that's the evidence that the LC jacket was cowhide? Because the D-rings didn't work with the lamb jackets from RotLA and TOD,
but they worked with the LC jacket? That would be a bit of a stretch.
HOWEVER, since I know you think I like to argue with you _

, I note the last sentence of your last post;
'and mine after having held Ford's in my own lil' hands'. I did not know that you'd actually seen and held the LC jacket.
That being the case, I can understand now how you can say it was cowhide. I could probably tell lamb from cowhide myself.
Therefore, if you say it was cow, i'm inclined to believe you. But I will say that it LOOKS lambskin in some scenes, and a thicker
hide, probably cow in others, my opinion based purely on pics and from watching the film.
My own jacket from Mr. Nowak (still a work in progress) is a Crystal Skull jacket in the CS cowhide, with a few LC touches. I love the
LC jacket, but I wanted a jacket that is still an Indy 4, Tony's creation.
Going off topic here I know, but this is interesting. Probably should be in the LC jacket thread.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:13 pm

BURN HER!!!!

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:44 pm

Good to have you back _, theres just no one who can get ' the usual suspects' riled up like you can

......well done

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:34 pm

neutronbomb wrote:Yes, if there is anyway to have access to the non-sanitized copy it would be wonderful. I'm worried about facts getting diluted or the meaning and message getting lost or blurred through the editing and sanitizing process.

Simply put, you folks will see the write-up when it is posted, and no earlier. No facts or meaning will get blurred or diluted. The editing, or "sanitation," referred to takes into account tense, spelling, and grammatical issues. The staff and admins have no desire to muddy up the facts. We leave that to you guys.

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:56 pm

..as well as the fact no 'changes' are ever finalized without the approval of the original writer.

Not sure how to take your comment, NB, but I'm going to try and view it in a 'positive light'.

Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm

Why so sensitive? It implies tampering by others to an original submitted writeup, and we already have several of those writeups posted in the main gear section. That's why. Stated as a joke or not, we take this part of the hobby VERY seriously, and do not see anything like this as a laughing matter.

Regards. Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:50 pm

Prior to your edit, without seeing your face or understanding your intent as there were no visual indicators of it being a 'joke', no...I was NOT out of line. You assumed too much.

Posts are taken at face value and when not cross referenced with other posts, this is what causes the confusion...but....with your edit, NOW I'm smiling.

Regards! Michaelson

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:20 pm

PLATON wrote:Congrats.
I am a tribar man but this one works well.

I still don't see why you did this

and didn't go straight to pass it through the bottom slider from here

Can you explain?

I think I know what you mean. If he goes straight, the botom slider will not act the way it does now and will not grip the leather. Apart from that, the exess part of the strap will now be underneath the rest with no possability to get routed in a way it sticks out on top like it's supposed to.

Regards, Geert

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:26 pm

i see i see now what you mean .. it wont hold well the way your talkin about Platon.. it will eventually slip.. the way that i did it was to give it more of a secure hold and a SA look.
thanks for the look from another angle