Last Crusade jacket thread

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:05 pm

no Im not planning on doing anything with the jacket...

Im getting rid of it I think...

Im in for a new one in the soft goat.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:11 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:You know Holt I think most only really see a lc as a really distressed jacket, and if you havent distressed it that way its not a LC.

uhmm.. okay..

I plan on wearing the jacket....

you wear a dusty heavy distressed raiders fedora in public with you casual outfit.......if you dont have it distressed you DONT have a raiders fedora you know.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:11 pm

But didn't somebody (_ maybe?) once mention that the LC jacket had silver zips that were painted bronze (or am I thinking of a different Indy movie?)...

Different movie. That was Raiders.

Regard! Michaelson

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:15 pm

The zipper in the 'flare' photo could be silver?
The collar stand detail (as it connects to the collar itself at least) looks very similar to the CS jacket

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:19 pm

Michaelson wrote:
But didn't somebody (_ maybe?) once mention that the LC jacket had silver zips that were painted bronze (or am I thinking of a different Indy movie?)...
Different movie. That was Raiders.

Regard! Michaelson

Ah, thanks Michaelson. I stand corrected!

RCSignals wrote:The zipper in the 'flare' photo could be silver?
The collar stand detail (as it connects to the collar itself at least) looks very similar to the CS jacket

The collar stand detail is very similar to the CS jacket, but the CS jacket doesn't flare outwards the way the LC jacket does. Maybe an example of Indy becoming more conservative in his later years?

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:20 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:no Im not planning on doing anything with the jacket...

Im getting rid of it I think...

Im in for a new one in the soft goat.

Holt you go through jackets faster than Paris Hilton does boyfriends........

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:20 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:

okay.. I give up... I showed you all a archive photo of the LC hero jacket brass zipper.... but okay..it looks only brass in certain scenes...

Don't give up.
The question is only based on the photos. If you know the zipper was really light brass that's another thing all together and I trust you in it.

What can you tell about the collar construction and upper back panel? What measurements did you use and are those things you'll change for your new jacket?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:23 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:
RCSignals wrote:The zipper in the 'flare' photo could be silver?
The collar stand detail (as it connects to the collar itself at least) looks very similar to the CS jacket
The collar stand detail is very similar to the CS jacket, but the CS jacket doesn't flare outwards the way the LC jacket does. Maybe an example of Indy becoming more conservative in his later years?

the wavy zipper in the Raider was because of how it was sewn into the jacket. I wonder if the LC 'flare' is there because of similar reason?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:28 pm

the chest of the LC jacket is big, the zipper might be a tod to long for the jacket causing the demon roll.

What can you tell about the collar construction and upper back panel? What measurements did you use and are those things you'll change for your new jacket?

I didnt use anythign. thats the standard wested LC pattern. thats why I said the new pattern is closer then what you think it is.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:33 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:......

I didnt use anythign. thats the standard wested LC pattern. thats why I said the new pattern is closer then what you think it is.

I thought they have standardised on the CS jacket for their LC offering?
Didn't Peter even say that since they were so similar?

anyway, what are measurements of your jacket in those areas?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:47 pm

I dont have the jacket here were Im at...

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:51 pm

This hard core ' LC jacket information only' thread has rapidily turned into a Holt LC jacket thread, hasn't it?

If that's the direction this is taking, Hatch's suggestion should be reconsidered:

Someone needs to move set of Han's LC pics to this thread........talk about definition of LC jacket....

Regard! Michaelson

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:55 pm

Where's _ to chime in with info from the LC write up ??

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:00 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I dont have the jacket here were Im at...

OK. Maybe later?

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:02 pm

Hatch wrote:Where's _ to chime in with info from the LC write up ??

He's offline working, we've been told.

Regards! Michaelson

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:28 pm

Michaelson wrote: This hard core ' LC jacket information only' thread has rapidily turned into a Holt LC jacket thread, hasn't it?

If that's the direction this is taking, Hatch's suggestion should be reconsidered:
Someone needs to move set of Han's LC pics to this thread........talk about definition of LC jacket....
Regard! Michaelson

Ask and ye shall recieve:

Han Jones in his LC Gear

Distressing in the Sun

The Han Jones Collection: Wested 2003, Wested 2008, Nowak 2009

...and a mighty fine collection it is.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:35 pm

In this photo Han's jacket has that same shoulder effect http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/imag ... 69b280.jpg

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:35 pm

Michaelson wrote: This hard core ' LC jacket information only' thread has rapidily turned into a Holt LC jacket thread, hasn't it?

Regard! Michaelson

rigth! we need some new blood in here...

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:41 pm

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:44 pm

But Han's jacket is wrong, isn't it? I mean at least the pockets are off.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:47 pm

maboot38 wrote:But Han's jacket is wrong, isn't it? I mean at least the pockets are off.

not that far off actually. They are 7 x 8 and maybe should be 7 x 7.5. not too big a difference

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:54 pm

And more pointy.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:06 pm

The main difference that jumps out at me between Han's jacket and the movie one is the sharper collar points. This isn't a critique of Han's jacket as I love it, but the LC collar tips were more round. There seems to be at least a couple of jackets with varying degrees of "roundness" to the tips. The collar tips that Dutch_Jones posted seem to be more round than some of the other jackets.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:19 pm

crismans wrote:The main difference that jumps out at me between Han's jacket and the movie one is the sharper collar points. This isn't a critique of Han's jacket as I love it, but the LC collar tips were more round. There seems to be at least a couple of jackets with varying degrees of "roundness" to the tips. The collar tips that Dutch_Jones posted seem to be more round than some of the other jackets.

One of the photos Holt posted has a less 'round' collar tip similar to Han's.

The thing for us to remember about his jacket is he asked for those things, the pocket flaps, collar etc. So comparing them directly to the movie jacket as being 'wrong' is wrong.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:22 pm

RCSignals wrote:
crismans wrote:The main difference that jumps out at me between Han's jacket and the movie one is the sharper collar points. This isn't a critique of Han's jacket as I love it, but the LC collar tips were more round. There seems to be at least a couple of jackets with varying degrees of "roundness" to the tips. The collar tips that Dutch_Jones posted seem to be more round than some of the other jackets.
One of the photos Holt posted has a less 'round' collar tip similar to Han's.

The thing for us to remember about his jacket is he asked for those things, the pocket flaps, collar etc. So comparing them directly to the movie jacket as being 'wrong' is wrong.

If this were a thread about Han's jacket preferences, then I would agree, but this is a thread about THE LC jacket, it is isn't wrong, it is right.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:23 pm

Saying it is "wrong" is right I mean.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:23 pm

Hatch wrote:Where's _ to chime in with info from the LC write up ??

he's out buying SG some new prada sandals............

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:32 pm

maboot38 wrote:..... but this is a thread about THE LC jacket....

I guess that was the point I was trying to make about bringing Chris's jacket into the fray. If this thread is about THE LC jacket, let's leave Holt's jacket at the door as well and continue to discuss THE jacket rather than copies. We have literally dozens of threads all through the archives that already follow that path.

Regards! Michaelson

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:00 pm

I agree...BUT....Chris' jacket is a beautiful LC hybrid - I actually like it more than the original. It's nice to have a quick reference within the thread for comparison...Now I will withdraw into hiding...

jacksdad · Post by **jacksdad** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:42 pm

I have a otr raider from wested but the LC is really growing on me, and I may just have to get one. nice thread guys,this just may push me over to buy it soon.

Indiana Citroen · Post by **Indiana Citroen** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:51 pm

http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq32 ... LC%20Lamb/

these are pics of my LC?CS wested under going LC distressing.....SLOWLY

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:28 pm

nicktheguy wrote:I agree...BUT....Chris' jacket is a beautiful LC hybrid - I actually like it more than the original. It's nice to have a quick reference within the thread for comparison...Now I will withdraw into hiding...

Correct. There isn't much sense in picking it apart, because it's to Chris's spec, not a 'copy'.
It's not a bad thing to have it to refer to as one example. It passes quite nicely for what it supposed to represent

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:41 am

Just a question, am I thinking correctly that both the LC and CS were based on the 'prototype jacket'......could someone add some pics of it if that is correct.....(so many details to remember and it's early in the morning)

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:47 am

No The prototype you speak of was the base for the CS jacket. and that prototype was sort of a LC movie jacket ( made after the movie was released I believe, but its maker is unknown. I think it was a prototype for a licensed jacket.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:02 am

So still with that time frame the LC and CS are pretty closely linked sort of like the Raiders and the TOD.........

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:48 am

Dutch_jones wrote:No The prototype you speak of was the base for the CS jacket. and that prototype was sort of a LC movie jacket ( made after the movie was released I believe, but its maker is unknown. I think it was a prototype for a licensed jacket.

Wasn't it made by Cooper for Lee Keppler?

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:58 am

That's right and then the 'protype' was the one the used as basis for CS, by Bernie .....it's the one shown to vendors. (or it's specs)..... is what I remember.....along with a few refinements he wanted to put his stamp on it.......

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:59 am

Castor Dioscuri wrote: Wasn't it made by Cooper for Lee Keppler?

No, it was made by Gibson and Barnes for Lee.

Regards !Michaelson

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:03 pm

I stand corrected again... Thanks Michaelson!

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:18 pm

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:09 pm

Michaelson wrote:
Castor Dioscuri wrote: Wasn't it made by Cooper for Lee Keppler?
No, it was made by Gibson and Barnes for Lee.

Regards !Michaelson

See i was thinking that ! but wasn't sure !

But was it meant to be a LC jacket or a Raiders?

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:23 pm

Only Lee Keppler knows for sure.

The story I have always been told was Lucas purchased one of the G&B jackets from Lee when Lee was selling them through his Adventure Outpost ads. He liked it so much, he asked Lee if he would be willing to make jackets for him for the new LC film. Lee did NOT have the ways and means to do so, and sent Lucas to Peter, as Lee had worked with Peter in the past to make him Raiders jackets back in the mid 80's.

Regards! Michaelson

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:25 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:
Michaelson wrote:
Castor Dioscuri wrote: Wasn't it made by Cooper for Lee Keppler?
No, it was made by Gibson and Barnes for Lee.

Regards !Michaelson
See i was thinking that ! but wasn't sure ! But was it meant to be a LC jacket or a Raiders?

Actually, the prototype jacket was before LC. The snaps were ordered by the customer (someone at Lucasfilm). Both LC and CS jackets are based off of it.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:27 pm

The 'prototype jacket' has always been sited as being the Adventure Outpost jacket made by G&B and sold to Lucas by Lee Keppler.

Regards! Michaelson

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:24 pm

Michaelson, you and Lee should put this down in writing and put it on the main IndyGear site......would stop a lot of arguments....

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:28 pm

It has been before, and is included in the writeups currently being worked on.

We've asked for patience, but folks just don't seem to want listen and/or wait keep on stirring the pot.

Regards! Michaelson

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:32 pm

Well I'm certainly looking forward to the 'rest of the story', thanks

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:55 pm

I just can't stand the pockets of the current Wested LC design. The flaps aren't low enough to match the screen used jacket.

Kyle

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:09 pm

ok. thanx for your input.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:28 pm

I detect some sarcasm in that response...

Kyle