Shirt comparison: NH / Wested / Todd's

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:02 pm

Is that Starfox Adventures in your N64?

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:39 pm

DEFinitely can't wait to get mine now! (It shipped on Friday.)
Thanks for posting those photos - and gettin' into the GEAR to do it!

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:18 pm

I took those pics I posted earlier indoors, and the shirt looked darker than it is. here's a better representation of what it looks like.

This better represents MY Todd's shirt color.

Randy

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:44 am

you did the black sock thing right??
does it shrink the shirt when u put it in the washer?

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:02 am

I don't know about this black sock thingy. What is it about?

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:17 pm

this is my todds right now and i was thinking of doing the black sock thing.

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff32 ... G_0319.jpg

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff32 ... G_0324.jpg

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff32 ... G_0325.jpg

its three pairs of black socks so a total of six all together ans on warm right? and will it shrink????????????????

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:47 am

indyfan1234 wrote:you did the black sock thing right??
does it shrink the shirt when u put it in the washer?

It shrank a little, which I was glad for, when I put it in the dryer on the high/cotton setting. It doesn't with wash and drip dry.

BigRex came up with the "black sock" method. Basically, you wash the shirt with a pair of brand new black socks and it REALLY tones down yellow. I swore my shirt didn't have any till I did this. Afterword, I was shocked to see a difference in the color!

Randy

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:54 am

Sounds like a very intriguing method... any possible side effect?

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:04 am

Lint I suppose. I can't see any ill effects happening.

Randy

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:41 pm

it looks much more like the stone color so ur saying it wont shrink if i do warm water it only shrinks if i put it in the dryer
so i wont be putting it in the dryer then

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:52 pm

I WANTED mine to shrink thus the dryer.

No, I washed it many times without drying in the dryer and no shrinkage. Just finally decided I wanted it a tad smaller.

And I washed it in warm, too.

The color is more stoneish than before, that's for sure.

Randy

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:23 pm

so u agree its more screen acurate with color?

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:03 pm

Oh yeah. I should take some pics in sunlight tomorrow, to mimic the Cairo scenes.

Randy

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:34 am

oh please do i will completely appreciate that because this the only indy shirt i have and i cant buy a new one right now and i want it to be more stone than yellow now dont get me wrong the yellower is SA on a few scenes that ive noticed but the stone is SA through almost or most the the scenes

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:03 am

Yeah, me too, Randy... I'd love to see some photos like that!
Throw the satchel over that shirt, pop on the hat and get outside and get some "arms swingin'" shots so we can see how it moves (and, of course, how it looks outside in that natural light)!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:16 am

I still can't get rid of the paper-towel effect from the collar. It has reduced since the last wash and iron but not disappeared

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:43 am

Mitch LaRue wrote:Yeah, me too, Randy... I'd love to see some photos like that!
Throw the satchel over that shirt, pop on the hat and get outside and get some "arms swingin'" shots so we can see how it moves (and, of course, how it looks outside in that natural light)!

Wouldn't you know today would be the day we get our much looked for rain?! I'll try and get some tomorrow or later this afternoon if the weather clears. It looks as if it's getting dark right now. I could do some Brunwald Castle shots at present though!

But I will get some pics soon as the weather cooperates.

Randy

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:57 am

No problem, dude... no need to get drenched! I'm pretty sure we can wait.
Besides:
We dinnae want ye to go an catch a SNIFFLE!

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:49 pm

I got out and had someone take photos of me in action/shade/sunlight situations just now. Working on the photos of said mini shoot as I type.

Randy

I think I reached my photos per thread limit so I'm adding links vs. images.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/th ... seup-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/th ... C_1656.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/th ... C_1657.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/th ... C_1658.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/th ... C_1662.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/th ... C_1663.jpg

I have a couple more, but you get the point. As you can see, the shirt isn't yellow. I did very minimal editing on this, just color balance and such. BUT anything that altered the shirt color, I left off.

For those interested, that's my Keppler which I rebashed over the weekend, my Todd's bag and strap I distressed, web belt from Wade Egan, Gap Standard Fit jeans, and wearing my Todd's boots. which you can't see.

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:18 pm

thx for the detailed pics so looks like I'm getting a pair of black socks so two single socks and warm water wash got it I'll post pics when I do it

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:25 pm

Randy, you're awesome.
LOVE those shots! You're a TEAM player, dude!
(I'm ALSO really jealous of that sunshine you've got going on... it's been POURING ALL DAY in my little corner of North America since I got up this morning.)
Thanks again for those photos. They say a LOT about that shirt... and you too, my friend.

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:28 pm

Thanks Fox, glad they were enjoyed! It was fun, that was actually the most Indy gear I've had on at once.

I look downirght chubby in a couple of those!

I've been trying to lose a little of my mid 20's spread. I was fairly skinny till 25 and a friend jinxed me, she said when I hit 25 I'll put on weight.. and did...

haha

I was glad to help. They did show what you wanted, action and sunlight right?

Randy

indyfan1234 wrote:this is my todds right now and i was thinking of doing the black sock thing.

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff32 ... G_0319.jpg

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff32 ... G_0324.jpg

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff32 ... G_0325.jpg

its three pairs of black socks so a total of six all together ans on warm right? and will it shrink????????????????

I used one pair actually, just normal wash. If you didn't want shrinkage, you could drip dry.

Randy

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:48 pm

thx for your help with the pics and all it really really helped

on another note i believe the main reason todds shirts are yellower or tannish in public was that the shirt section on the indy gear website said the shirts were actually tan or natural or should a say the yellow people call it and when filmed the camera caused the color to be more stone so they claim its different in person so todds might actually be right color just the in person color

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:52 pm

You're welcome indyfan! Was glad to step out and get a couple pics snapped.

The photo where I'm lunging at the camera, I went off balance as I stepped into a mole hole so it was a real reaction..

Randy

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:56 am

Randy,

The photos look great, you should do some more sometime. Looks like summer, I can't believe it snowed here yesterday morning.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:02 am

indyfan1234 wrote:thx for your help with the pics and all it really really helped

on another note i believe the main reason todds shirts are yellower or tannish in public was that the shirt section on the indy gear website said the shirts were actually tan or natural or should a say the yellow people call it and when filmed the camera caused the color to be more stone so they claim its different in person so todds might actually be right color just the in person color

Not really. They are just a but too yellow. The real one s and the NH ones have a slight pinkish tan tone to them. You don't see it in the Cairo sequences, it does show up in the Captain's cabin sequence.

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:31 am

Just got my Todd's shirt yesterday and now I can finally see (in person) what everyone keeps talking about "color-wise"...

It's an interesting color, to be sure...
Not exactly thrilled to see that upon close inspection I can see the exact same "mottling" on the collar that Erri spoke about back on the 19th in this thread (middle photo).
You might recall that Todd addressed the matter thusly:

Puppetboy wrote:What your camera has captured (and greatly exaggerated) is the interfacing in the collar and cuffs. A few washings and ironings and the tiny "dots" you see will disappear.
Todd

Puppetboy wrote:I did go back and look through a pile of collars, and there is some slight variation on the visibility of the interfacing, probably due to varying heat during the fusing process. I will speak with the factory about this. Regardless, it should fade with wear.

So, too bad for me that my collar looks like that, but... Todd's never done me wrong, so if he says it'll fade with wear, I'll buy that.
(But in terms of the color, I'll definitely be trying the "sock" method that seems to work for so many...)
But how about I show you a photo FIRST before I do anything to it?
Here's the shot:

Please Note: I took this shirt straight outta the cellophane bag (tried it on quickly to make sure the size was fine... it was!) and then laid it - for comparison purposes - across the only piece of white-ish bristol board I could find (ironically, featuring a picture of "Indy" that my kid drew a couple of years back!)
(Kinda' looks like Indy's "sizing up" the color, doesn't it?)

I'll be giving the shirt the treatment tonight and I'll post another photo maybe tomorrow...
Y'know... just so I'm doing my part.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:40 pm

Kt Templar wrote:They are just a but too yellow. The real one s and the NH ones have a slight pinkish tan tone to them. You don't see it in the Cairo sequences, it does show up in the Captain's cabin sequence.

Yes, and also in many of the elstree scenes you can spot the pinkish colour. You don't see it in the Cairo scenes because, in my opinion, Spielberg used a lot of filters for those sunny locations and the colour caught in those doesn't give a real idea of the original colour although you can spot the right one when Indy gives Marion a date... also the screen used shirt (which, supposedly, is from Raiders) that Noel had was not yellow but indeed very close to NH shirts.

That's just to discuss more on the colour of the original shirt...

Mitch LaRue wrote: It's an interesting color, to be sure...
Not exactly thrilled to see that upon close inspection I can see the exact same "mottling" on the collar that Erri spoke about back on the 19th in this thread (middle photo).
You might recall that Todd addressed the matter thusly:

Puppetboy wrote:I did go back and look through a pile of collars, and there is some slight variation on the visibility of the interfacing, probably due to varying heat during the fusing process. I will speak with the factory about this. Regardless, it should fade with wear.
So, too bad for me that my collar looks like that, but... Todd's never done me wrong, so if he says it'll fade with wear, I'll buy that.

I'm sorry that you got the same "easter egg" I got. I have washed it and ironed it only once till now and the paper-towel effect has decreased a bit but not disappeared yet. I'll worry after the 3rd attempt. For now you can trust Puppetboy's words and hope for the best, I'll let you know how it goes with mine.
I haven't done the sock thing yet because if this collar difect doesn't disappear I do plan to send it back to Todd.

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:34 pm

Hmmm... good point.
Maybe I should wash it a few times FIRST and then see what's up.

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:39 am

Quick update from me:
Almost immediately after I wrote (last Tuesday) that I'd wait on the BLACK SOCK WASH method, I completely broke down and did it anyway.
Haven't taken the "After" photo yet for comparison purposes... but I will be doing that later today... look for the photos this afternoon under these very words.
By the way, can I just take a second and talk about how GREAT that shirt looks when it comes straight (meaning "wrinkled") outta' the dryer? I think that just really captures the "look"...
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a nice looking shirt when it's been ironed, too... but I dunno... there's something about that "rumpled" look.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:53 am

;0

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:34 am

Man! There's nothin' like bein patient, IS there, Erri?

So, here's that photo again that was taken taken "pre-wash", followed by the "post wash" shot.
Before:

After:

I've gotta say... I realize that the translation from
"real life-to-camera-to-my monitor-to-Photobucket-to YOUR monitor-to-your eyeballs-to-your brain" ALWAYS leaves plenty of room for error/interpretation/etc... so take this with a grain of salt...
But I don't think I see much of a difference between the shirts (except for a few cool lookin' wrinkles!) And, of course, the pre-wash shirt exists in the past only, so I have nothing "real" to compare THIS shirt with.

Ah well... no harm, no foul...
The point is:
I like this shirt VERY much!

(Now to get some pants....)

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:22 pm

I particularly enjoyed the after-wash wrinkles too

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:41 pm

So u agree the color is better at least

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:49 pm

who? And better than what?

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:50 pm

Mitch LaRue wrote: I don't think I see much of a difference between the shirts (except for a few cool lookin' wrinkles!) And, of course, the pre-wash shirt exists in the past only, so I have nothing "real" to compare THIS shirt with.

Ah well... no harm, no foul...
The point is:
I like this shirt VERY much!

(Now to get some pants....)

Were those fresh new socks?

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:13 pm

I was talking about black sock treatment on todds

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:15 pm

bigrex wrote:Were those fresh new socks?

Jet black & "farm-fresh" straight from the store!
My wife had just picked up a few pairs the day previous and they hadn't been washed. The tag was still on them when she handed them to me (I took it to be opportunity knocking!)
But in the end, no difference that I could see! It might work for some, but for whatever reason, it didn't work for me.

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:43 am

binkmeisterRick wrote:IndyGear Cereal™ is a part of a balanced breakfast.

So we finally get to use my name for a good purpose?

Interesting thread though. I have the NH, the Wested and the AB, but since I have more than one Wested it has become my everyday shirt. I'm very happy about the quality of all shirts but I'm now after a more SA CS shirt. So what would You experts suggest for that?

PS: For everyday use I would prefer a heavier material than the ones mentioned, but is Todd's heavier than Wested?

Indy-K

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:45 am

Magnoli is the way to go for an CS shirt.

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:57 am

Indiana Holt wrote:Magnoli is the way to go for an CS shirt.

Is Magnoli's fabric heavier than Wested's, and what color should I go for, for a CS-shirt?

Also, I have no idea of my meassurements but I use a size X-Large in both Wested and AB and they fit perfectly. What shall I order at Magnoli to get the same meassurements?

Indy-K

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:07 am

yes its heavier then westeds.

Magnoli does only custom made garments and clothes, so you need to give him your full body specs.

contact Tony he will help you.

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:36 am

Indiana Holt wrote:yes its heavier then westeds.

Magnoli does only custom made garments and clothes, so you need to give him your full body specs.

contact Tony he will help you.

Sounds fine, thanks

Only problem is I HATE doing meassurements so much that the Binkmeister once send me an american meassuring-tape just to avoid confusions. Wested X-large has a perfect fit to me. Does anyone in here know what to order at Magnolis to get the same size?

Indy-K

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:53 am

I just came to think of it...stupid me... I ordered a couple shirts from magnoli and what I did was I measured a wested Large shirt and gave him the specs.so measuring a Xlarge shirt will work.

IndyK · Post by **IndyK** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:04 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I just came to think of it...stupid me... I ordered a couple shirts from magnoli and what I did was I measured a wested Large shirt and gave him the specs.so measuring a Xlarge shirt will work.

yes, I thought so. I've send him an e-mail now. Thanks

Post by **Holt** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:55 pm

ikke noe problem min venn.

lykke til, husk å vise bilder av din nye skjorte.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:16 pm

I suggest several black pairs of thick cotton socks, not the thin ones, and not one pair, warm/cold wash.

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:21 pm

i put in six pairs and i didnt get a change either was i supposed to use soap??

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:42 pm

indyfan1234 wrote:i put in six pairs and i didnt get a change either was i supposed to use soap??

I do.

indyfan1234 · Post by **indyfan1234** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:07 pm

does the soap help blend???