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The title says it all, I think. Enjoy!

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Oh, I think I know but it wouldn't be fare.
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Its a Raiders hat! :lol: Maybe a Penman or an AB? Solid looking hat!
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An early LLS?
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It's an AB Henry
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Sorry guys and dolls. It's not mine. Thats not what I was getting at. I think I can tell but I think it's not fare for me to play this game. thats all. cary on.
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I always miss these so I'm going to try a new answer did you make it? :?
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I'm inclined to think it's a Magnoli HJ. If not, then a Christy that's been modified by one of the AB boys. In any event, that crown is some bashing job. :clap:
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very nicely bashed. keppler rabbit?

i was gonna guess AB (steve) but i can't get a clear look at it and from what i see......doesn't look like an AB bow.

if it is an AB henry.......is that from the original run? the original run to me looked like the hat had a block that couldn't support a deep center crease like that. arggghhhh.....so hard to tell from pics.
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I'm going to say LLS too. The way it bulges screams rabbit, the bow is too black to be an AB, and the low back suggests the new raiders blockshape.

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IndyBrit wrote:It's an AB Henry
I have to disagree. Granted, I'm just guessing, but the flying v seems too puffy to be a henry bow. in addition, it's kinda difficult a beaver blend could bulge that way
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Thanks for the great comments, guys! The answer is already given somewhere, but before I tell, I'd like to know what BendingOak can tell from this hat.
Indiana G wrote:arggghhhh.....so hard to tell from pics.
Maybe these can help a bit.

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thanks bullitt :)..........doesn't look like steve's bow, doesn't look like a henry's bow........i'll stick with my keppler guess.
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I agree with G. I think its a keppler, mostly because of the ribbon.
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I have no idea :-k - let's hear it!

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i am leaning towards a keppler
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The way I'm think and this is now after seeing the latest 2 pics.

It's a rabbit felt machine/factory made hat. i say this because of the bulging of the felt and that i think I see the stitching of the sweatband because the ribbon is pulling up. The ribbon looks black to me but pics can lie about color. that and the dirt makes thing even harder.

At first I want to say the Henry because of the bow work. It has a very raiders look to it. Most people can't get the Raiders bow that good. There are on a few. Marc got the factory people to do a great job of doing the Raiders bow and I would assume there is more than one person doing the bow work at the factory. That could be why it looks slightly different than the Henry I have. Then the oval all shape makes me think it's not because it doesn't look like the Henry block.

the block looks closer to LLS or Steves block than it does to the henry block.,but there is a part in the back that just doesn't look right. The crease job is great who ever it is. the front and sides look good but the center crease when viewed from the back is not wide enough to be LLS or Steve's new block. besides I would think both Steve and David would sew their sweatbands by hand. That leaves both those guy's out

I would like to say the keppler /beaver brand but the stitching is all wrong for that.

Could be a mag/HJ blocked by Steve but he would have to have left the factory stitching.

I'm going to say someone new.
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The bow work is indeed quite nice and SA - congrats are in order to someone. I don't think the Henry would bulge like that, unless the ribbon was re-attached VERY snug. No way is it a Keppler. Regardless, the sweat was definitely sewed by machine. C'mon, Oak chimed in, what is it!? ](*,)

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I have no idea who it is, but that last shot in the first post looks so spot on streets of Cairo, maybe the best I've seen. =P~

I'll guess LLS, other wild guesses would be a jpd, a magnoli HJ, a secret offering by Indiana G, or those Spanish speaking guys' hat.
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Okay, guys here it is... IndyBrit won. It's an AB Henry :D

The only thing I did to it, aside from bashing, is shortening the brim 1/4" on the sides and 1/8" on the front.
The bulging is because I experimented with an elastic band and some cold water, just under the top of the ribbon. I did this because of the taper issues the Henry has in the back. I couldn't get that stovepipe look.The ribbon is all standard and so is the Flying V.

I really appreciate all the great comments, guys! ;)
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Bullitt wrote: The bulging is because I experimented with an elastic band and some cold water, just under the top of the ribbon. I did this because of the taper issues the Henry has in the back.
elastic band, uh? :-k smart idea. this could solve my problem with the back taper.

BTW, your bow looks much better than mine: so nice and puffy. my flying v is too sharp for a raiders hat (well, I went for a LC bash, so I guess it doesn't matter, considering that the LC bow is much more similar to the christy's)
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Bullitt wrote:Okay, guys here it is... IndyBrit won. It's an AB Henry :D

The only thing I did to it, aside from bashing, is shortening the brim 1/4" on the sides and 1/8" on the front.
The bulging is because I experimented with an elastic band and some cold water, just under the top of the ribbon. I did this because of the taper issues the Henry has in the back. I couldn't get that stovepipe look.The ribbon is all standard and so is the Flying V.

I really appreciate all the great comments, guys! ;)

Thats what was throwing me. It was altered from it's original state. I was first thinking the henry but with the dirt taking away the ribbon to clue me in. The the elastic changing the shape on me and the fact that the bow work is going to be slightly different from factory person to person.

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Indiana G wrote:if it is an AB henry.......is that from the original run? the original run to me looked like the hat had a block that couldn't support a deep center crease like that.
I forgot to address this, but yes, this is from the original run. I was one of the first to order the Henry. It's a size 56 and I got it somewhere late October. 8)
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\:D/ I saw it in the block shape. But in the end it was the bow that was the give away detail. I have an early run as well. As you can see from the pics, the AB Henry is a fine looking Raiders Fedora.
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very nice work on the bash and all of the extra treatment bullitt. enjoy that hat. you've won me over on the AB henry for sure now, knowing how pretty freak'n close you can get it to the real deal.

good show sir! :D
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Bullitt wrote:Okay, guys here it is... IndyBrit won. It's an AB Henry :D

The only thing I did to it, aside from bashing, is shortening the brim 1/4" on the sides and 1/8" on the front.
The bulging is because I experimented with an elastic band and some cold water, just under the top of the ribbon. I did this because of the taper issues the Henry has in the back. I couldn't get that stovepipe look.The ribbon is all standard and so is the Flying V.

I really appreciate all the great comments, guys! ;)
Bullitt, could you elaborate on this elastic band addition? Do you have any pics of what you had done to it? I'm curious to see how you had applied it.
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TheExit148 wrote:Bullitt, could you elaborate on this elastic band addition? Do you have any pics of what you had done to it? I'm curious to see how you had applied it.
I took some pics for you with the elastic band. The idea is that you only wet the area where you want the effect of the band to show, if that makes any sense. I did not wet the front for instance. After I put the band on, I would really crease the non-bow side and back with my hands from the inside. This comes down to preference, of course. Then let dry overnight.
NOTE: The elastic band will leave a square impression in the felt. That's why I tucked it just under the ribbon. I didn't do that in the photos, for obvious reasons. However, the impression can also be cleared with a hat brush. Again, preference. Hope this helps ;)

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Bullitt,

Those comments/pics help out a lot. I'm really debating getting a Henry, but having read about the taper issues, it has pushed my away some. Seeing that this may help with getting rid of some the taper, I have more interest in it again. Seeing your hat really makes me think that the Henry can be a really solid Raiders hat. Thanks a lot!

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Creative bashing job, good work!
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You're absolutley right... A very creative bashing job. I guess whatever it takes to make it look right, go for it. That hat looks great. Can't wait for mine.
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Dude, that Henry looks bloody AWESOME :clap:

Great job creasing it! - You know, I wasn't too happy with that block that I was told is a very old HJ block, when I received the very first prototype last year. That was before I started beating the living "you-know-what" out of it. After that, I was like "darn... you know something? - This COULD actually be IT!".

Thanks for having the cochonas to do this to your hat (I don't - I simply don't like beating up a brand new hat). I'm HIGHLY impressed on how it turned out. And who knows... maybe(!!!) this elastic band gives the same effects as "...sat on it... rolled it up...".

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Coming from you Marc, that's the best compliment a guy can get. Thanks! This felt is really great to work with, very soft, yet it holds the shapes perfectly.

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So guy,

wow. I gotta hand it you, you've done a fantastic job.

I'm just wondering, did you walk into this by dumb luck or are you just that good?...

"That's great kid, don't get cocky!" haha, It just came into mind, but by all means be cocky as ####.

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I think that the rubber band thing is a first. But judging by that front view, I gotta feeling it won't be the last! That thing looks nice...very nice. :D
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Also...please detail exactly what parts of the hat you wet. I know not in the front, but is it just the sides or what? :-k
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Hollowpond wrote:Also...please detail exactly what parts of the hat you wet. I know not in the front, but is it just the sides or what? :-k
Well actually you only wet the area where you're directly gonna place the elastic band, so almost allround, but only a finger wide. Since I don't want the mushroom effect on the front pinch, I leave that dry. Also, I only wanted the reverse taper on the non-bow side and back. To me that seemed to capture the SOC look best.
I've only done this with the Henry, cos it needed it more or less. I have no idea how it will work out with other hats.
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now i want a henry
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this is really amazing I own a henry reblocked raiders style hope you can give me a small tutorial of how can I make this bash looks that good mine is not that good and marc did it :) so I hope you can give me a bit of information of how to make the hat looking this good.
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I had no clue who made it, but my first thought was this was as screen accurate as I have seen. Then to find out it was what Marc is having made for us was very gratifying. I am impressed Marc. With some tweaking, this hat is a killer hat. We may as well just stop making hats and sell this one. We could include elastic bands with each hat!

Since this factory has made HJs, looks like they were telling you the truth about this block. Don't change it!! :lol: And great work Marc. I wasn't too sure about that block either, until now. I am a convert. Fedora
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How tall is that hat, if you put a ruler on the top of the brim, and measured up on the sides? I gots to know! Thanks, Fedora
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Steve, I thought there was going to be no more tweaking you Raiders block? ;)

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Steve, I thought there was going to be no more tweaking you Raiders block?
:lol: And I will keep my word. No more tweaks! This is just another example of how if a block is just close, it will work out, with the right hands styling the hat. I have no doubt several vintage blockshape would yield this same result, if worked on by this chap here with the factory AB. But, I know you were joshing me. :lol: Fedora
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You caught me! ;)

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Thanks for all the great comments guys! I really appreciate it.

Alex, this is a very good tutorial for bashing IMO: http://www.vessillologia.it/Raidersbash ... torial.htm

That and looking at a lot of pics of course. ;) What always struck me was that the non-bow side dent is much longer (approximately half the length of the crown) and deeper than it's counterpart.

Steve, I've measured the sides for you and it's 4 7/8". Hope that helps! :D

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Steve, I've measured the sides for you and it's 4 7/8". Hope that helps!
Indeed it does. Thanks! It looks right to me in crown height. That is why I was wondering. I thought it was less than 5 inches, but had to know for sure. Fedora
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Looks awesome!

Great lid!
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Hey Richard thanks for the advice here it is a pic of my henry please give me a hand, I hope that by seeing my hat you can tell me how can I fix it

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Very nice composite, Alex! It's a bit hard to see, but I think you might need a tighter front pinch. Try just wetting your fingers with some cold water and than pinch the top of the front pinch with 3 fingers. Hope that helps. ;)

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Bullitt wrote:
TheExit148 wrote:Bullitt, could you elaborate on this elastic band addition? Do you have any pics of what you had done to it? I'm curious to see how you had applied it.
I took some pics for you with the elastic band. The idea is that you only wet the area where you want the effect of the band to show, if that makes any sense. I did not wet the front for instance. After I put the band on, I would really crease the non-bow side and back with my hands from the inside. This comes down to preference, of course. Then let dry overnight.
NOTE: The elastic band will leave a square impression in the felt. That's why I tucked it just under the ribbon. I didn't do that in the photos, for obvious reasons. However, the impression can also be cleared with a hat brush. Again, preference. Hope this helps ;)

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Does anyone think this technique would work for a Christy's adventurer?
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Tundrarider wrote:Richard, Awesome hat! I PM'ed you about it because I saw your hat in your avatar on an unrelated thread. You directed me here. :)

I applaud your guts to go at your hat with whatever it takes to get the look you want! :clap:

I am going to try the BullittBand(c) Technique on my HJ! :lol:

GREAT JOB!

Michael :TOH:
so how did it come out?

I'm trying to find out if a christy's can handle
this way of forming the raiders crown, and if
a HJ can take it i'm sure a christy's can too.
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