Harrison Ford is that undisclosed source...

moviematt1989 · Post by **moviematt1989** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:44 am

Okay am I the only guy that thinks this?...That Harrison Ford is the Obvious guy to have the hero jacket?

But I would bet my utterly bottom dollar that Harrison Ford is the owner of that Hero Jacket. I mean it makes sense.

1.) he wore the #### jacket in the desert for however many days they shot. blood. sweat. sweat. and more sweat. Let me tell you, when you have that kind of schedule and never get to change, a bond grows between you and the clothes. even if you hate it. I know he would hate it but I also know that he would'nt let it go lightly even if he's not whatsoever interested in props of foolish memorialbilia. He'd have more reason for keeping it than any other person of the production.

2.) He obviously has had the time and the connection to speak to Nowak and had reason to reaveal that he has it hidden away, due to the nature of conversation I would think they would have had during fittings and whatnot during KOTCS pre-pro.

3.) Harrison is like the only guy that I could think of that would really be concerned about people knowing he had the jacket. He wants to have it comfortably in a closet, while he makes "crossing-over" and goes on with his life. Not to come home and have a million emails about a jacket thats 20 years old. It's his, not the worlds kinda thing. George would'nt care, Lucas would publically flaunt it like he does every other prop, either at his ranch or on some god-forsaken cross-country traveling display. Speilberg would most likey be content with a stunt jacket or something; actually I could imagine Spielberg having wardwrobe make him, his very own speced to him and for him. He doesn't want Harrisons sweat.

It makes sense.

Alright in-conclusion, after re-reading this thing, I realize you guys might think I'm bashing Ford. No. I think the guy's awesome, a no BS kinda guy.

I'm just saying from observation of likely hood and from character assesment that he'd be the likely canidate for having it and not wanting people to know.

moviematt1989 · Post by **moviematt1989** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:08 am

_ wrote: Remind me of a time before working in this business - before I was REALLY jaded...

You mean remind you of a time when you had fun and it wasn't just being right and absolute all the time? I like my way. It reminds me this is a hobby and not an obsession.

CM · Post by CM » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:58 am

Man... _ has debunked this already but I would think Harrison finds fans a bit creepy - especially those who want his EXACT costume. And besides, we know from reliable sources here that Harrison didn't much like the original Raiders jacket. He liked Keppler's archive jacket which was why it was used as a pattern to make the LC and CS jacket. I imagine Harrison has a new CS jacket at home and never thinks about the Raiders version.

Besides we all know it was Karen Allen who wanted the Raiders jacket repo for her son...

Just joking

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:28 am

I assumed it must be Lucas, since Harrison would not want to go over Uncle George's head and get sued, and although I think Spielburg has the personality that he would really care if the fans got a good jacket, Uncle George has the rights and the say-so when it comes to handing off jackets to outside entities (aka Mr. Nowak).

Ok, my preceding statement is kind of tongue and cheek. I don't know how many theories we can come up with, but I would think they are sundry.

CM · Post by CM » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:47 am

bigrex wrote:I assumed it must be Lucas, since Harrison would not want to go over Uncle George's head and get sued, and although I think Spielburg has the personality that he would really care if the fans got a good jacket, Uncle George has the rights and the say-so when it comes to handing off jackets to outside entities (aka Mr. Nowak).

Ok, my preceding statement is kind of tongue and cheek. I don't know how many theories we can come up with, but I would think they are sundry.

Of course it might be closer to pick a certain producer on Raiders and others.... He always liked that jacket.

mark seven · Post by **mark seven** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:58 am

CM wrote:Man... _ has debunked this already but I would think Harrison finds fans a bit creepy - especially those who want his EXACT costume.

Ford seems to be quite understanding of the fans(as long as they don't invade his privacy!).
Acting is a strange proffession when you look at it-dressing up and pretending to be someone else,it's not THAT far removed from fans wanting to dress up as a favourette movie character.
I think he has a soft-spot for Indy's costume.He works very hard with the costume designers to get all the details just right-it's just that he is lucky enough to obsess about it during filming while we get to obsess about it after the movies come out.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:15 am

_ wrote:I know who ownes the various jackets. One is within the realms of guesswork. The rest? You'd just have to know folks to know where they landed...

...[Lucas is] the one who grabs props and wardrobe. If he weren't the boss, he'd be considered a thief...

Should we take that to mean that Lucas was the "undisclosed source"?

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:17 am

Castor Dioscuri wrote:
_ wrote:I know who ownes the various jackets. One is within the realms of guesswork. The rest? You'd just have to know folks to know where they landed...

...[Lucas is] the one who grabs props and wardrobe. If he weren't the boss, he'd be considered a thief...
Should we take that to mean that Lucas was the "undisclosed source"?

Probably not

Regards, Geert

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:29 am

_ wrote:Some of these people can be vicious if you get on their bad side. They are very loyal when you are on their good side. Tony Nowak is very well thought of - and for very good reason.

You know, ages ago it occurred to me that this whole thing has an element of spite to it - "How'dya like them apples?" after a certain altercation that _ previously related a while back. You know there would have been a few post-tantrum discussions along the lines of "Hang on, you mean he's been living off of having made "The Jacket" over the years?" "That's right Mr Marshall/Lucas" "######, get me Nowak on the phone! I need a fitting!"

Thanks for confirming!

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:26 am

Well I for one just want to thank "Frank" and TN for finally making it able to finally have a "replica" of "the jacket" I've always invisioned Indy's being since 1981.........

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:55 am

Hatch wrote:Well I for one just want to thank "Frank" and TN for finally making it able to finally have a "replica" of "the jacket" I've always invisioned Indy's being since 1981.........

And a quality, real-world, finely-crafted jacket to boot.

Mighty_Draw · Post by **Mighty_Draw** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:41 pm

_ wrote: Lucas was not really living out there with the rest of the crew, but was popping in and out. Lucas is like a child in a lot of ways. He's always thinking about himself in a very childlike and frankly a very petty way. He's the one who grabs props and wardrobe. That's the level he thinks at. If he weren't the boss, he'd be considered a thief...

To 99.99% of these people, this is "just wardrobe." They know that wardrobe is not made to last - it is made to be cheap but look the part for a couple weeks. Why would you want the stuff?

This makes Lucas sound more like one of us. Fetishizing the objects in a film. Not that I think thats a bad thing, but you can take it overboard....

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:42 pm

Ah, that confirms (reconfirms actually as this was mentioned a while ago) some things about how/why Tony received the jacket. And I'd say it's a very good guess that Tony doesn't (or at least didn't initially) know why he was the beneficiary of the jacket. He just took the opportunity and made the most of it.

However, it played out, it is nice that we have an accurate copy of the jacket. I know that some people still don't believe it, but the overall fit and drape of the jacket are spot on and, despite an occasional sidetracking, the story lines up very well once you read through all of it.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:59 pm

Raider S wrote:
Hatch wrote:Well I for one just want to thank "Frank" and TN for finally making it able to finally have a "replica" of "the jacket" I've always invisioned Indy's being since 1981.........
And a quality, real-world, finely-crafted jacket to boot.

Yeah, maybe I wasn't clear but took the quality etc as a given coming from TN.....I was commenting more on the fit, feel, drape and ambiance I was looking for since 1981....been through a lot of jackets and this is the first to give me that.........

Imahomer · Post by **Imahomer** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:04 am

All in all, very interesting.

moviematt1989 · Post by **moviematt1989** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:20 pm

now that's what I'm talking about baby, responses of speculation and imagination...that's what I was going for

thanks for having fun with it guys.

Bogie1943 · Post by **Bogie1943** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:34 am

I enjoy speculating about the various gear items out there today. However, I find the truth a lot more interesting. It's the archaeologist in me. I still wish I could have been a part of the making of Raiders. That's my dream as a filmmaker. Sadly I have yet to invent that time machine I've been working on LOL.

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:48 am

Bogie1943 wrote:However, I find the truth a lot more interesting. It's the archaeologist in me.

"Archaeology is the search for fact... not truth."

Stringer · Post by **Stringer** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:40 am

i'd like a moment of random (almost certainley) wrong speculation.

havent i read somehwere that one of the jackets was loaned to Planet Hollywood, and never returned?
Doesn't Mr Nowack have delaings with people involved in planet hollywood? And if so, wouldnt they like to keep it quiet that the jacket is in their posession?

I know, i know

, but i like mad theories

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:10 pm

I thought the jacket PH had was an LC jacket

could be wrong though....

Regards, Geert

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:58 pm

Stringer wrote:i'd like a moment of random (almost certainley) wrong speculation.

havent i read somehwere that one of the jackets was loaned to Planet Hollywood, and never returned?
Doesn't Mr Nowack have delaings with people involved in planet hollywood? And if so, wouldnt they like to keep it quiet that the jacket is in their posession?

I know, i know , but i like mad theories

That's one of the stories that's gone around, but if it's anything like the Planet Hollywood I went to in Las Vegas, they had an A-2 Wested (complete with correct B&N tag) from the film "Hanover Street" on display and labeled as being THE jacket worn by Harrison Ford in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

So who KNOWS what they have and what they THINK they have in their inventory?

Regard! Michaelson

Stringer · Post by **Stringer** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:57 pm

Michaelson wrote:
That's one of the stories that's gone around, but if it's anything like the Planet Hollywood I went to in Las Vegas, they had an A-2 Wested (complete with correct B&N tag) from the film "Hanover Street" on display and labeled as being THE jacket worn by Harrison Ford in Raiders of the Lost Ark. So who KNOWS what they have and what they THINK they have in their inventory?

Regard! Michaelson

Fools. They dont even know what they've got there.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:19 pm

Honestly, I don't think they even care.

Regards! Michaelson

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:22 pm

Michaelson wrote:Honestly, I don't think they even care.

Regards! Michaelson

Naahh, just as long as they keep selling those overpriced Cheeseburgers.....

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:25 pm

Oh...I don't know...if you get the coupons, we did eat awfully good, and awfully cheap....

Regards! Michaelson

Stringer · Post by **Stringer** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:26 pm

_ wrote:
Stringer wrote:Haven't i read somehwere that one of the jackets was loaned to Planet Hollywood, and never returned?
Planet Hollywood had all of its "real" props repossessed when they hit the skids about 2 years out of the starting gate... The real Temple of Doom jacket they had was in their San Francisco location. That jacket was obtained by the original loaner in an "unofficial" manner (i.e. it was stolen). The press around Planet Hollywood's troubles and the jacket's repossession as an illustration of those problems got LFL's attention and it was re-repossessed by LFL... As I understand it, charges were filed, a guilty plea was entered, and a suspended sentence was imposed subject to community service. I wonder if he loaned them his orange jump suit and claimed it was in "Con Air?"

you should write a book about all of this!

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:36 pm

I see a screen play in the works...

Kyle

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:06 pm

Indiana Jones's hat and jacket, 1980s
The character of Indiana Jones, an archaeologist-turned-action hero, was first introduced in the 1981 film Raiders of the Lost Ark, produced by George Lucas and directed by Steven Spielberg, and reappeared in two successful sequels. In 1989 the actor Harrison Ford and Lucasfilm donated Indy's trademark brown leather jacket and fedora hat to the Smithsonian. Another famous accessory, a bullwhip, was collected in 1999.

http://www.smithsonianlegacies.si.edu/o ... cfm?ID=125

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A96F948260

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/ ... 34888.html

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:12 pm

Then ... I found this about the ToD jacket:

Peter Botwright, who constructed the original Raiders Jacket seen in 1981, received the original Jacket seen on screen in Temple of Doom, which resided in Noel Howard’s collection. Howard, who worked for Berman And Nathan's during the filming of the Indy movies and who made several items for the production of the films, had in his posession an entire( minus Hat) screen used hero outfit used by Harrison Ford from Temple of Doom. Peter was allowed to measure the original jacket, construct master patterns and use lambskin leather similar to that of the original to create the most authentic and screen accurate Temple of Doom jacket. The jacket, which was originally made in house at Bermans & Nathan and made of Turn Leathers Lambskin, has been reproduced by Peter at the Wested shop. Only a limited number of jackets will be made, each being custom made/hand crafted for the individual customer. This jacket has a special sewn-in inscription in satin sheen which states “Harrison Ford- Indian Jones Film 2” which was written on the inside of the original jacket. Standard specifications include two-way pockets, action pleats for arm movement, side vents, inside facing, nylon lining and a the leather trimmed inside pocket. Sleeves with built in gussets,two prong side fasteners and 8 gauge alloy zip. The jacket is supplied with a Certificate of Authenticity It is handcrafted from the finest soft Dark Brown Lambskin

Post by **Holt** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:15 pm

were did you find that.

its really funny to see that they say it comes with the COA..

becuz we all know that wested made the originals right

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:31 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:were did you find that.

its really funny to see that they say it comes with the COA..

becuz we all know that wested made the originals right

http://www.yourprops.com/view_item.php?movie_prop=22834

I believe the poster is one of our own.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:41 pm

Well, the only sentence I have problems with is this one:

"The jacket, which was originally made in house at Bermans & Nathan....."

Otherwise, the rest is true. He did get the jacket to reproduce, has made a limited edition, and the COA SHOULD state the jackets are reproductions from an actual screen used TofD jacket. Nothing in the write up states he made the originals, so no foul there. With the exception of the remark of the jackets origin, it reads ok to me...

Regards! Michaelson

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:54 pm

Michaelson wrote:Well, the only sentence I have problems with is this one:

"The jacket, which was originally made in house at Bermans & Nathan....."
Otherwise, the rest is true. He did get the jacket to reproduce, has made a limited edition, and the COA SHOULD state the jackets are reproductions from an actual screen used TofD jacket. Nothing in the write up states he made the originals, so no foul there. With the exception of the remark of the jackets origin, it reads ok to me...

Regards! Michaelson

That and the reference to the origin of the leather "Turn Leathers Lambskin", and "This jacket has a special sewn-in inscription in satin sheen which states “Harrison Ford- Indian Jones Film 2” "

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:08 pm

Well, I kind of lumped the leather type in with the inhouse made information. If there's a problem with the one statement, the other follows...but I think the last comment is in reference to what Peter has put in his reproduction jacket, as that was 'written' on the inside of the NH jacket in black marker, as I recall.

Regards! Michaelson

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:25 pm

Michaelson wrote:Well, I kind of lumped the leather type in with the inhouse made information. If there's a problem with the one statement, the other follows...but I think the last comment is in reference to what Peter has put in his reproduction jacket, as that was 'written' on the inside of the NH jacket in black marker, as I recall.

Regards! Michaelson

Except there is no such label in the reproduced jackets. i don't know who wrote that up, or where they got the info but they should amend it.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:28 pm

What they described is what Tony Nowak puts in HIS jackets.

Regards! Michaelson

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:33 pm

I think he intended to put one of the satin printed labels in but didn't get round to it. Personally, I don't like them, they are printed directly onto the satin, like a label printer and the quality is not good.

The original Berman's label had the text stencilled or typed onto it, it may have been a DIY rubber stamp. The hand written part said Doubles.

Yes, the text should be updated on the site.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:41 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Michaelson wrote:Well, I kind of lumped the leather type in with the inhouse made information. If there's a problem with the one statement, the other follows...but I think the last comment is in reference to what Peter has put in his reproduction jacket, as that was 'written' on the inside of the NH jacket in black marker, as I recall.

Regards! Michaelson
Except there is no such label in the reproduced jackets. i don't know who wrote that up, or where they got the info but they should amend it.

The person who wrote it said that's what he was getting on HIS jacket, he wasn't describing ALL the ToD Westeds.

I thought it was called Raiders II in any case.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:06 pm

Baldwyn wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
Michaelson wrote:Well, I kind of lumped the leather type in with the inhouse made information. If there's a problem with the one statement, the other follows...but I think the last comment is in reference to what Peter has put in his reproduction jacket, as that was 'written' on the inside of the NH jacket in black marker, as I recall.

Regards! Michaelson
Except there is no such label in the reproduced jackets. i don't know who wrote that up, or where they got the info but they should amend it.
The person who wrote it said that's what he was getting on HIS jacket, he wasn't describing ALL the ToD Westeds.

I thought it was called Raiders II in any case.

Only a limited number of jackets will be made, each being custom made/hand crafted for the individual customer. This jacket has a special sewn-in inscription in satin sheen which states “Harrison Ford- Indian Jones Film 2” which was written on the inside of the original jacket.

I suppose you could interpret it that way but in context I read it as something being applied to all the reproduction jackets.

Yes I thought it said Raiders II as well

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:09 pm

Michaelson wrote:What they described is what Tony Nowak puts in HIS jackets.

Regards! Michaelson

Almost, except TN's isn't a label and it's embroidered.

One person here did order his ToD jacket from Wested with a similar label to what's described, but I don't think it's the same person who wrote the little article there.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:11 pm

Im wondering why this topic says ''Harrison Ford is that undisclosed source...'' and all we talk about is the TofD jacket now....

Im thinking if there isnt anymore to say about the original topic, then the curtens on this show will soon close...