Coyle's "Outdoorsman's" Boots

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Just thought I'd show you all my fixed boots:

Now just look at those bad boys. Those lace hooks are steel! I was gonna go with Kevlar, but that would be over kill, don't ya think?

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:58 pm

dude, that leather looks to have a warmer brown tone than the first wave of todd's boots. very, very nice

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:29 pm

alphared6 wrote:Just thought I'd show you all my fixed boots:

Now just look at those bad boys. Those lace hooks are steel! I was gonna go with Kevlar, but that would be over kill, don't ya think?

They look great, Alphared.

Glad you were able to get them fixed for next to nothing and you're able to now just enjoy them.

RaiderZee · Post by **RaiderZee** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:51 am

First off: Mike, that's a fantastic repair/replace job. Your cobbler is gold, hang on to him!

Second: Mike, have you treated your boots yet? The color definately looks warmer and browner to me than the untreated ones I have.

Third: Todd mentioned that the color varies in boots within each run. No problem. FWIW, here are comparison pics of the boots I got from each run. Again, neither has really been worn.

2nd run on left, 1st run on right. The 2nd run I have appears slightly lighter but warmer. You can see some of the leather grain in it as well, not so on the 1st run:

Heel comparison: 1st on left, 2nd run on right. 1st run is thicker (but less balanced when you wear it):

2nd run on left, 1st run on right. The darker color of the 1st run is best seen here on the sides, next to the lace holes:

These are the best pics I can get. The color difference is more apparent in person.

So, between the two pairs I got, I think the 2nd run is slightly lighter in color but warmer; you can see undertones and the leather grain. To me, the leather in the 1st run is acceptable; the leather in the 2nd run is much superior.

In another thought, if the soles and hooks are not up to the quality of the upper, I'd be willing to pay another $25-$40 bucks for this boot if Todd could get these upgraded in the next run. Thoughts?

RaiderZee

IndianaJack91 · Post by **IndianaJack91** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:55 am

alphared6 wrote:Just thought I'd show you all my fixed boots:

Now just look at those bad boys. Those lace hooks are steel! I was gonna go with Kevlar, but that would be over kill, don't ya think?

just a little

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:23 am

On my monitor anyway, the color is spot on to the color of my boots.

Scott63 · Post by **Scott63** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:34 am

Hey RaiderZee,

Great comparison photos. Are your 1st run boots marked size "9"?

Thanks,
Scott

RaiderZee · Post by **RaiderZee** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:23 pm

Nope, marked as 11s

RZ

IndianaJack91 · Post by **IndianaJack91** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:47 pm

thanks for the comparrison photos Zee

Scott63 · Post by **Scott63** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:46 pm

RaiderZee wrote:Nope, marked as 11s

RZ

Thanks. I normally wear a size 11 shoe and have a pair of 11s from the 1st run (marked 11), but they're still a little tight. I've been thinking about ordering a pair of 11s from this new run, but hate to get a pair that are too big. Your photos, and Todd's charts, are a big help.

Thanks,
Scott

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:14 pm

Scott63 wrote:
RaiderZee wrote:Nope, marked as 11s

RZ
Thanks. I normally wear a size 11 shoe and have a pair of 11s from the 1st run (marked 11), but they're still a little tight. I've been thinking about ordering a pair of 11s from this new run, but hate to get a pair that are too big. Your photos, and Todd's charts, are a big help.

Thanks,
Scott

My first pair ordered were an 11, fit a little snug the first week but the leather strectched and they now fit nicely. When I recieved my 11's on Wednesday from the second batch the shoes were huge. Using Todd's new templates I requested the replacement pair be a size 9 and I should still have room in the toe area. I have a picture on page 4 of this thread of the old and new shoes.

Scott63 · Post by **Scott63** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:53 pm

Thanks Scot,

I see what you mean about the difference in size - especially the length. Since the only problem with my 1st run boots was the width, I'll probably drop down a size if I decide to order a pair from this 2nd batch.

I've had about the same experience with my first pair. I've worn them a lot, and haven't been easy on them. Over time they've stretched out to where they're comfortable when I wear them with a thin pair of socks, but I'd really like to get a pair that fit like my other shoes.

Scott

Redinight · Post by **Redinight** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:32 am

I ordered a pair this morning. I am excited!!! I love all the General gear and the Holster I have from Todd's. Mr. Coyle, Thank you

ortiz344 · Post by **ortiz344** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:32 am

in case anyone is worried, the boots really dont appear as 'red' in person as they seem to in most pics im seeing online...

RaiderZee · Post by **RaiderZee** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:39 pm

Agreed. They really look closest to the color in Mike's close-up of the hooks.

RZ

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:34 pm

Nice job RaiderZee, great comparisons. I was hoping for some 1st vs. 2nd run shots. The seond run appears shinier.

Randy

TheExit148 · Post by **TheExit148** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:46 pm

RaiderZee wrote: Heel comparison: 1st on left, 2nd run on right. 1st run is thicker (but less balanced when you wear it):

My heel from the 2nd run is exactly like the first run heel. The more thicker black on the bottom and the black through the middle.

RaiderZee · Post by **RaiderZee** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:40 pm

Yes, the 2nd run I have are a bit shinier; I think this is just indicative of the better finish on the leather in this batch. Strange about the different heels within the first run though.

Anyway, I swapped emails with Cissy at Todd's; tomorrow I'm shipping both pair back. I'm returning the 2nd run 10s and swapping the 1st run 9s back for some 2nd run 9s. I'm paying the restock fee on the 10s, but they're waving the restock fee on the 9s, and will waive shipping. Todd's customer service is just outstanding.

RZ

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:58 pm

Yeah, I really like my first run pair. and they get almost daily wear.

Randy

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:03 am

Scott63 wrote: I normally wear a size 11 shoe and have a pair of 11s from the 1st run (marked 11), but they're still a little tight. I've been thinking about ordering a pair of 11s from this new run, but hate to get a pair that are too big. Your photos, and Todd's charts, are a big help.

Thanks,
Scott

I've been contemplating a pair of these, and I normally wear a 12. But using those printable templates, it looks like I should order an 11! Makes a bit of sense, though, since my normal 12's usually have room for extra insoles. I might technically be an 11 1/2.

I know I'll never convince myself to spend on real Aldens, but these look mighty fine.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:24 am

I still can't figure out how everyone is still having sizing "issues" when I ordered what I normally wear and the boots fit me just fine.

Illinois James · Post by **Illinois James** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:51 am

I used to worry over getting shoes a little too big. Now I worry that I won't be able to wear a good thick sock if it's cold outside. Measure BOTH feet with a Brannock device, pick the closest size, follow Todd's directions, and forget about it! (IMO, of course!)

New shoes shouldn't be tight. My experience is if you feel much pressure anywhere on your foot before you lace up a shoe, it's too small. I don't try stretching them out anymore: it's just abuse! If it's stiff, it will wear in. If it's tight, it doesn't fit.

These boots are roomy in the toe. So Todd says to order your whole size or the next lower whole size if you are in between, right? I wear 12's, ordered the 12 and it fits great--roomy in the toe--but great.

I don't know how the printable outlines compare to actual sizing, but I know I couldn't size down. The outline of my foot might 'fit' in the space of an 11, barely, but I couldn't stand the reduced size and 'volume' of a smaller shoe overall. Smaller shoes are smaller all over, not just the sole. I enjoy a little freedom of movement. My right foot actually measures 11 1/2, and this boot is still tight if I put in some Wolverine insoles, which are pretty thin. Again, just me.

An exception might be if all someone wore were ultra-thin dress sock with everything.

Imahomer · Post by **Imahomer** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:27 am

I love that rich brown color.

Pitfall Harry · Post by **Pitfall Harry** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:41 pm

{Doing his best Ricardo Montalbán impression}

"I love the boots...Rich Corinthian leather"

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:09 pm

Pitfall Harry wrote:I still can't figure out how everyone is still having sizing "issues" when I ordered what I normally wear and the boots fit me just fine.

Whew, I'm not alone then!

Randy

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:10 pm

Illinois James wrote:I used to worry over getting shoes a little too big. Now I worry that I won't be able to wear a good thick sock if it's cold outside.
An exception might be if all someone wore were ultra-thin dress sock with everything.

You know, that's a good point.

I confess, also, I was wearing thin socks when I used the templates, but that's not what I normally wear. Methinks I shall rethink.

RaiderZee · Post by **RaiderZee** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:38 pm

Yeah, I pretty much always wear thin dress socks unless I'm in sneakers, so that probably makes an appreciable difference in the fit of the boot. I've got big clodhopper boots I wear when it (rarely) gets pretty cold in SC.

I find that if I get slightly snug leather shoes they break in just perfectly, especially if I soak them and wear them to have them fit my feet. Your results may vary.

I think the whole size thing just comes down to what type of fit you prefer.

RZ

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:48 pm

As a result of frost bite I wear heavy wool socks year round (Not that it makes any difference, it's the nerve damage makes my feet "feel" cold.) So these boots being a little big suits me just fine.

Illinois James · Post by **Illinois James** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:55 am

Yeah, everybody's different. I like my socks to fit like socks, but not my shoes to fit like socks! When my shoes break in and and I can see the the shoe take on the shape of my foot-I did something wrong.

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:10 am

I am happy that my new brace (thanks to that stunt accident in July) fits inside like a glove....er...I mean...sock. It's nice to have a boot again that I can wear --even with the brace --instead of my white new balance shoes I've had to put up with since getting out of the cast. The Coyles boots even seem to accommodate the brace a bit better than my Aldens....so I am a happy camper.

Kim Hoffman · Post by **Kim Hoffman** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:24 pm

Considering the cost of Alden's boots, the Coyle's, for just kicking around, might extend the life of the Alden's.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:07 pm

Kim Hoffman wrote:Considering the cost of Alden's boots, the Coyle's, for just kicking around, might extend the life of the Alden's.

that's why i bought mine.....i didn't have the heart to wear my 405's in the salty slush of a canadian winter........these todd's boots are perfect for that considering the price. they have shown true resiliance to the elements as well. very nicely built.

Illinois James · Post by **Illinois James** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:30 am

I also had the heel separate on my 12's, but with about twelve brad nails each from the cobbler, they're holding up great. These are going to lengthen the life of my Alden's big time. I wish he offered these in black. but, we're lucky as it is to get brown!

Restless Dreamer · Post by **Restless Dreamer** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:38 pm

got mine two days ago. I hanged around in Rome all the day, today, and I discovered they seem not to be all-day wear shoes. maybe it's because I'm not used to this kind of boot, but the heavy and stiff sole made my feet hurt

aw. I wonder how Indy could be goin' diggin' with those shoes

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:36 pm

Restless Dreamer wrote:got mine two days ago. I hanged around in Rome all the day, today, and I discovered they seem not to be all-day wear shoes. maybe it's because I'm not used to this kind of boot, but the heavy and stiff sole made my feet hurt aw. I wonder how Indy could be goin' diggin' with those shoes

Consider that in 1936 his boots would have been all leather construction, except for the heal which would have been a hard rubber. His boots would have be heavier but once broken in, more flexible.
I once walked all of Rome over a period of a week in GI combat boots (I was in the Army) and they felt just fine.

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:43 pm

My boots are "back in the shop." Last Friday the heal separated from the right boot and the entire sole separated from the left boot. What NASA would call a "catastrophic failure!" I instructed my cobbler to disassemble the boots and rebuild them.

Am I the only one having all these problems?

Kilgour Trout · Post by **Kilgour Trout** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:19 pm

So sorry to hear you're have such problems Alpha. Sometime's I think these
things happen to test us and stretch our capacity for patience.
While reading your post I was thinking that it might be an opportunity
to try what I'm looking to do with my Coyle's.

After having to re-order a new pair of the new batch, I'm going to
look at ruggedizing them. As Indy G was mentioning, our winters
are pretty long and nasty. So..I'm going to bring them into our
shoe shop here in Thunder Bay, to see about getting a vibram or
lug sole attached.

We're sadly still stuck at -29 C, with more snow on the way so...
I want to see what I can do to make these boots more practical.
It just might be worth considering as you've got your boots back in the
shop eh.

Hope all goes well
Cheers
Kilgour Trout

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:50 pm

My boots are holing up admirably well. BUT, they were 1st run so... But I agree, sorry to hear the trouble you're having. I'm thankful it's not happening to me, as in the case of electronics, I seem to get the one in a million computer/dvd player/anything that has some weird glitchy problem.

Randy

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:26 pm

Kilgour Trout wrote: ...It just might be worth considering as you've got your boots back in the
shop eh.

Hope all goes well
Cheers
Kilgour Trout

Indeed, I am doing just that. My cobbler is going to dis-assemble the boots and rebuild them correctly.
When these soles and heels wear out I will replace them with leather soles, correctly McKay stitched, and solid rubber heels.

When done these will be Frankenstein boots, rebuilt of other parts, but I'll have good boots and still well under $400.00!

Mike

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:33 pm

Kilgour Trout wrote:
We're sadly still stuck at -29 C, with more snow on the way so...
I want to see what I can do to make these boots more practical.
It just might be worth considering as you've got your boots back in the
shop eh.

Hope all goes well
Cheers
Kilgour Trout

Gee - it was sunny in Vancouver today, and I even went without my jacket for a while

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:04 pm

Day before yesterday it was 90 F in SW Oklahoma. Today the high was 28 F w/ Wind Chill. But recall what Will Rogers said about Oklahoma weather: "If ya don't like, it wait around a while."

TheExit148 · Post by **TheExit148** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:31 am

Man is it ever cold here in Ontario. Plus there is some snow left over from the night before's dump. Boots have held up nicely so far in the snow and slush, but I must say, ZERO traction on snow and ice. Have to be careful in the snow with these boots.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:18 pm

Please, don't wear these things in any kind of slippery conditions. They're horrible for that. Horrible. By the way, I'm writing from a place that has gotten nearly 150 inches of snow so far this season - few can top that miserable number.

theinterchange · Post by **theinterchange** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:47 pm

Raider S wrote:Please, don't wear these things in any kind of slippery conditions. They're horrible for that. Horrible.

I have had no problem wearing them on wet moss covered sidewalks. I used to wear western style boots so I know how to walk in those circimstances, and minimize hind end to concrete exposure.

For those of us who aren't nimble, or accident prone, I would say be careful!

Randy

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:34 pm

Resole them with something more safe.

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:52 pm

My replacement shoes, sz 9, from Todd's arrived today and they fit great compared to the the sz 11 from the second run. Unless I have any catastrophic QC issues, similar to alphared6; Was that a call sign/designation for you while you served in the military, SIR?, I should be good to go.

This pair has the same color as the sz 11's I returned but they do have a little more grain to the leather. I am too tired and stressed tonight to get pics up but I should have them by the weekend. I am happy with my new shoes.

Regards,

Scott

alphared6 · Post by **alphared6** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:47 am

scot2525 wrote:alphared6; Was that a call sign/designation for you while you served in the military?,
Scott

Yes Scott. I had served 7 years as an EM before I was made an LT. My first assignment as an officer was as the Platoon Leader of 1st Plt, Alpha Troop. 3rd Sqd, 7th US Cav. Ergo: "Alpha" (the Troop or Company) "Red" (1st Plt, based on Red White and Blue. Three Platoons to a Troop) and the "6" is the Commander.

I retired a Major after 20 years service.

And yes ... I miss it.

"As you where!"

Mike

Kilgour Trout · Post by **Kilgour Trout** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:47 am

I'm doing just as Alpha has suggested. Leather or smooth soles are great for
dry weather but on ice or snow "these" can make for sudden unusual dances that
may cause ones legs to shoot out in 360 degree directions, out of character
"flailing of the arms" and a 50% drop in Male dignity!

.

In addition..it make's it much harder to recover from middle age injuries
incurred having taken up Tae Kwon Doe at a rather less than flexible point in
life.

.

So...as soon as these things arrive I'm going to shoot off to the cobbler and
see what he can do.

P.s. Still -20 C this morning!

Cheers
Kilgour Trout

Chewbacca Jones · Post by **Chewbacca Jones** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:52 am

Well, I pulled the trigger. After throwing on my usual thicker athletic socks and doing a re-measure on the template, I ordered a size 12. I figure I'll fill up any extra room with an insole. I hope.

As for the slippery conditions thing; that's one reason I wouldn't spend more on Indy boots than Todd's price. My dress shoes have more grip! So, either they will be fair-weather shoes only, or I will be paying for a modification. Either way, that wouldn't fly at Alden's prices, orthepedic or no!

Here's hopin' for the best.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:18 pm

I wouldn't worry about modifying the soles, just wear them in appropriate conditions.

As far as the size, you better need a big 12 or a very wide 12 or the 12's will be too big. Just an FYI, I usually wear a size 12 shoe (and a few times have gone with a 13 depending on the shoe) and Todd's 11's are plenty big on me.