Young Indy Whip- Brown?

[Texas Raider]

Well I just stumbled onto this pic. Has it been brought up before that this whip was actually BROWN (looks saddle tan)- looks to be that it was painted black and has worn off. Why would they do that?



TR

[myrddin]

That's the actual prop?

Maybe they just wanted the young Indy whip to look significantly different from adventurer Indy's whip.

:shrug:

[McFly]

Maybe it just looked dark on film? I have a whip that's whiskey colored like that one looks, and it's reeeeally dark looking sometimes.

Shane

[hollywood1340]

I had read it was simply a 455 dyed by the production for a different look? Might explain it turning brown, the black is wearing off.

[classicbullwhips]

Read the section about the young indy whip

http://www.indygear.com/igbullwhip.html

hope this helps.

Keep Crackin
James

[Canuck Digger]

You'd be surprised to know how basic and straight-forward things on a film are. In this case they just took your standard Morgan whip, chopped-off the wrist loop and dyed the rest to make it stand out. Remember that for film people, the only thing that matters is how things look for the time they are up on screen. If things disintegrate or look different after, it is of no concern. Unlike fans, they do not care about the longevity of any item, provided it does it's job while the camera is rolling, so doing things to age or change costumes or props is very common, and sometimes what is used would make a fan cringe...
Cheers,

Franco

[Texas Raider]

Well see, I would think that dye would stay IN the leather, instead of actually wearing off like paint. It looks on screen like it was actually black dyed leather (as in constructed from the beginning that way). Black dye doesn't wear off of a black jacket revealing brown underneath. Maybe grey or a lighter shade of black, but never this distinctively brown. It must have been paint.....

TR

[BullWhipBorton]

Actually, It's not impossible for a rub on type leather dye to wear away and fade over time just like that; especially depending on the way the leather was commercially tanned or if it was originally sealed with something like shellac before the dye was applied.
None of the bullwhips sent for filming where made from commercially dyed black kangaroo hide, they where all natural tan to start off with so these would have been later altered by the prop department crew to make them look different for the specific scene.

The red handle grip however does look painted.

Dan

[Canuck Digger]

Something else;

whether it's drum-stuffed or dry, leather is given a good coating of plaiting soap while plaiting, and dye holds on better to dry leather than it does on greasy leather. This may also account for the dye/paint comming off with time. The one time I made a Young Indy whip, I used dry 'roo and hand-dyed it first red then black where the thong starts and then plaited the whip with plaiting soap. If I had tried to dye the leather after plaiting the whip with plaiting soap, there is no way the dye would have held.

Just to give you an idea of the difference between hand-dyed and painted:

[Indiana County Jr.]

Hmmm... I wonder how long that "knot" has been in the fall?


Crack On!
Allen

[Canuck Digger]

"I wonder how long that "knot" has been in the fall?"

I know!

I saw that too! It looks pretty well set in, I doubt that the leather would recuperate from the extreme curve even if one were able to undo that knot; might be better off just changing the entire fall. But then, it wouldn't be as "authentic" anymore I suppose, hehehe.