Original MKVII...is not SA (???)
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MkVII bags have this little loop unless it was removed for some reason. The MkVI got a metal ring, as shown in the pic below.
A string was attached to that loop. The string was supposed to go arround the wearer´s back and than wrapped round the metal disc on the bag when the gas mask was in use.
A string was attached to that loop. The string was supposed to go arround the wearer´s back and than wrapped round the metal disc on the bag when the gas mask was in use.
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The MKVII bags were contracted out to numerous manufacturers, so there are variations to be found between MKVII bags. You can find original bags that vary in color, size, rings, and vent holes. Swindiana is our resident bag expert and he helped compile the information found on the main site: http://www.indygear.com/igbag.html
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I identifyed mine to be a R.D.&Co. it has the same buttons, and the same tiny little loop near the pouch (that is not the same of the movie's bag, which is wider and placed higher).binkmeisterRick wrote:The MKVII bags were contracted out to numerous manufacturers, so there are variations to be found between MKVII bags. You can find original bags that vary in color, size, rings, and vent holes. Swindiana is our resident bag expert and he helped compile the information found on the main site: http://www.indygear.com/igbag.html
I'm 99% sure. I can't provide photos, but I checked the details and compared with the pics of the page bink linked. The only thing is: my bag is marked as having been made in 1942, while the site states "Production years known: 1941".
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It would be fun to see the list grow. For example, I have a H & Sons bag and I could provide pics of it. I know VP has a H & Sons too and I'm sure he could take you some pictures too. I have also another bag. It's markings are M.B.Ltd.I. 1942. I don't know anything else about that but if someone does please tell me.
I have also a MkVI bag. It's markings are, VI MAPLE 1939. (So I presume it's canadian)
I have also a MkVI bag. It's markings are, VI MAPLE 1939. (So I presume it's canadian)
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What's a bigger shame is some folks forget that that all the staff are volunteers and that we end up spending the vast majority of our time just making sure the forum runs as smoothly as possible or cleaning up messes on the boards. It would be nice if we had more time to do other things, wouldn't it? Erri, this is the first I've ever heard anything from you regarding such an offer and there is not a single record I can find of such a request in the back room where we discuss such requests when brought to us. We are always interested in updating the site, but less interested in poor attitudes when folks assume.
Bink I didn't want to offend anyone my friend. I just remember sending an email to somebody of the staff when I first joined COW long long time ago, through the main site though not by PM if I am not mistaken. I said I could provide pictures of a couple of brands which weren't present in the list. I never heard back from this person or, if I did, it was said to me that it will be looked into but never happened. Whoever was, honestly I don't remember, we're talking of 4 years ago more or less. Since then I never bothered again with the bags. Back then I thought that perhaps bags weren't THAT interesting compared to other pieces of gear in the eyes of these fanatics so I never asked again and felt a bit stupid for even offering.
Well if any of you is STILL interested I can send you the list of the brands I own and you let me know what pictures you would like me to take.
Well if any of you is STILL interested I can send you the list of the brands I own and you let me know what pictures you would like me to take.
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Well, it came off sounding as if you were saying this happened recently and after more than one attempt at asking. Heck, I couldn't even find a post on the forums from you regarding it. Regardless, if it happened that long ago, and you can't even remember if you got a reply or not, it's a bit unfair to pin it on the staff and accuse us of not being interested. We take enough flack as it is based off of assumptions.
I'll bring the offer up in the back room, though.
I'll bring the offer up in the back room, though.
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Interesting photo. By the uniform and Gas mask it may be older than a Mk VI bag evenLast Crusader wrote:MkVII bags have this little loop unless it was removed for some reason. The MkVI got a metal ring, as shown in the pic below.
A string was attached to that loop. The string was supposed to go arround the wearer´s back and than wrapped round the metal disc on the bag when the gas mask was in use.
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Erri;
It would be neat with some comparison pics of the differences you find for each maker/year, and perhaps some short narrative to each of it?
If you could start a thread and then post links to each shot (as 6 pics is maximum) would be much appreciated.
Also, please refer to what you believe is wrong information on the main page as of now and we'll look into it.
Thanks!
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It would be neat with some comparison pics of the differences you find for each maker/year, and perhaps some short narrative to each of it?
If you could start a thread and then post links to each shot (as 6 pics is maximum) would be much appreciated.
Also, please refer to what you believe is wrong information on the main page as of now and we'll look into it.
Thanks!
Regards,
Swindiana
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I feel, umh, almost proud to have contributed to give the input to update the site, hehe
Swindiana, if this could help: I have reasons to believe that the information about the R.D.&Co is incomplete: I have a bag marked 1942, and I'm pretty sure it's a R.D&Co model. Maybe Erri could confirm/deny my theory, I'm no expert
Swindiana, if this could help: I have reasons to believe that the information about the R.D.&Co is incomplete: I have a bag marked 1942, and I'm pretty sure it's a R.D&Co model. Maybe Erri could confirm/deny my theory, I'm no expert
Comes out that I have even more brands than I ever suspected! Need to recharge the camera batteries but you're going to like this collection. I've found some that are not even on the list on indygear. Whom can I send the amount of pictures to? Who's the "bag man"?
I'll post them online too but I'm supposing someone will want the high quality versions for the website
I'll post them online too but I'm supposing someone will want the high quality versions for the website
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That's about the period I thought the gas mask was from. (uniform as well really although it was worn into the '30s. I believe it is a Canadian)Last Crusader wrote:RCSignals wrote: Interesting photo. By the uniform and Gas mask it may be older than a Mk VI bag even
I found out the mask in the photo shows the british Small Box Respirator 2nd Model from 1915. Just for those who are interested. ;-)
I have one of the later style gas masks with the 'remote' cannister that would go nicely with a MkVI or VII bag.
Sure Swindiana, I should be able to post them soon.
Last crusader, very nice collectable you got there! Still, I always prefer not to buy bags with the actual respirator masks in them because of the asbestos fear, since they are often in very bad conditions.
The bag is very unique looking I have to say!
Funny enough I think we know more about these bags than most of reenactors
I know there are plenty of reenactors also around here but I am not referring to you guys of course.
Last crusader, very nice collectable you got there! Still, I always prefer not to buy bags with the actual respirator masks in them because of the asbestos fear, since they are often in very bad conditions.
The bag is very unique looking I have to say!
Funny enough I think we know more about these bags than most of reenactors
I know there are plenty of reenactors also around here but I am not referring to you guys of course.
New thread added Swindiana, check out this link viewtopic.php?p=540725#540725
Pictures will be added as I put pictures on photobucket ;-)
Pictures will be added as I put pictures on photobucket ;-)
The filters though seems to contain asbestos. Check out this old thread
viewtopic.php?t=12861&highlight=asbestos
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http://members.tripod.com/~gelean/geln_militaria.html
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.ph ... mId/382497
viewtopic.php?t=12861&highlight=asbestos
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http://members.tripod.com/~gelean/geln_militaria.html
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.ph ... mId/382497
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Re: Original MKVII...is not SA (???)
This is the African version.
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Re: Original MKVII...is not SA (???)
lantzn wrote:This is the African version.
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Is the bag also from the same period? Anyone know for sure?Last Crusader wrote:RCSignals wrote: Interesting photo. By the uniform and Gas mask it may be older than a Mk VI bag even
I found out the mask in the photo shows the british Small Box Respirator 2nd Model from 1915. Just for those who are interested. ;-)
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The small box respirator bags were numbered (for size). So, yes, they are from the same year.
Compare the bag to the second one from the top here:
http://www.gasmasks.net/database/uk/uk-003d.htm
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Compare the bag to the second one from the top here:
http://www.gasmasks.net/database/uk/uk-003d.htm
Regards,
Swindiana
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Re: Original MKVII...is not SA (???)
Thank you for that confirmation. It is what I thought but wasn't 100% sure.
We can say then that Indy's use of this respirator bag isn't that much of a stretch, even though the actual bag used in the movie was newer than the time depicted.
In the photos you linked to, the bag being used by the Doughboys looks to be slightly different?
We can say then that Indy's use of this respirator bag isn't that much of a stretch, even though the actual bag used in the movie was newer than the time depicted.
In the photos you linked to, the bag being used by the Doughboys looks to be slightly different?