Wested TOD arrived!

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:28 pm

With just a little bit of wear, my jacket is also getting the "condition" where the nonstormflap side is folding back to reveal the liner, like in this picture.

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/393.jpg

I'm not a jacket expert but I think this is caused by there not being an inside collar stand which allows the collar to bend back and thus that side of the jacket.

Post by **Holt** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:49 pm

show us budy

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:49 pm

That's not the lining being exposed that other's are experiencing. It's on the other side with the lining moving forward and sticking out slightly.

The ToD does have a collar stand, it's just that it's on the outside instead of the inside neck area.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:57 pm

RCSignals wrote:That's not the lining being exposed that other's are experiencing. It's on the other side with the lining moving forward and sticking out slightly.

The ToD does have a collar stand, it's just that it's on the outside instead of the inside neck area.

Oh, I know that it isn't the issue that others have had of the lining being too baggy and hanging past the zipper. It's natural to this jacket and very SA as you can see by the link I included.

And what I meant was that all the other Indy jackets I've had have a collar stand on the inside and the outside of the jacket (I'm talking a separate strip of leather). The Temple only has this on the outside and I think this allows the collar to lay back and thus the whole front of the jacket.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:48 pm

I don't see the lining bagging out on the left in that photo.

The collar on my ToD doesn't do that, but them mine isn't goat hide. The jacket in the movie was pretty beat up, with stitching undone even in that photo.

I worked the collar of mine along the top of that storm flap with my hands, so the collar folds over it better.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:18 pm

Ok so here are some shots of my TOD jacket. Sorry for looking like an Albino in some of the pics- flash was pretty bright. Please let me know what you think about the fit. Please be completely honest. Thanks y'all

Nibs

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:22 pm

Looks good Knibs. I think you need to work the collar a little too though.
Do the pockets have a little more scalloping than the photo shows?
Start wearing it 'in'

(What's with a four leaf clover on an Irish shirt?

)

Post by **Holt** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:33 pm

to be 100% honest.
I think it looks about one size to small for you. I think it would be hard to zipp it up and feel somewhat comfortable.....

the pockets sre the best pockets I have seen out of wested. to me the TofD pocket was more triangular shaped. they are great!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:39 pm

I'd like to see it zipped up, but i don't think it's a size too small

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:50 pm

Here's what I think - I think I'll trade you your ToD poster there for the full size Indy IV theatrical release poster!

What kind of leather is that? How's the hardware? Do you have the prongs and all that?

Shane

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:51 pm

I'm undecided on the size myself. How does it feel in the biceps and across the back at the yoke seam? It seems difficult to get the fit right on these because the cut appears to be smaller than most (including myself) are used to.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:56 pm

Ya- i this is only the 2nd time ive worn it, so it is still breaking in. Here are some pics of the pockets up close and the collar. and I hope you're kidding about the clover

Nibs

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:01 pm

It feels fine as far as fitting because I never zip my jackets up. I was really just concerned with the length of the sleeves.

Shane- it is washed got and yes it has all the original hardware such as zipper and prongs. Which theatrical poster are you talking about?

Nibs

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:29 pm

The fit on the sleeves seems to be consistent with how mine fits me. It hangs down to the first knuckle of my thumb with the arms down. I've noticed that the sleeve does ride back a little more than my Wested Raiders, that has the same sleeve length, as I extend my arm because of the way the sleeve is cut around the bicep.

And not to beat a dead horse (especially on such a minor point) but Knibs jacket also shows what I was talking about earlier. Look at the non-stormflap side of his jacket. See how the jacket folds back to show the lining? The lining isn't sicking out, the leather has folded back to reveal the lining. Maybe other jackets do this as well but I haven't noticed anything that pronounced in my jackets or any of the other movie jackets. Again, it's a minor point I know, but it does seem to be a unique feature of how this jacket hangs.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:30 pm

Nice pocket flaps and collar stand end. They've squared the ends now but each looks different

(Irish = three leaf Shamrock ;-) )

Oh, you will feel that yoke bottom seam some across your back until you wear it in a bit. It's just so low.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:34 pm

crismans wrote:......

And not to beat a dead horse (especially on such a minor point) but Knibs jacket also shows what I was talking about earlier. Look at the non-stormflap side of his jacket. See how the jacket folds back to show the lining? The lining isn't sicking out, the leather has folded back to reveal the lining. Maybe other jackets do this as well but I haven't noticed anything that pronounced in my jackets or any of the other movie jackets. Again, it's a minor point I know, but it does seem to be a unique feature of how this jacket hangs.

Neither of the two I have do that.

I think if you work the collar fold line over the collar stand it may help correct that.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:41 pm

those collar stands are all over the place as far as shape and size....knibs, yours looks like they almost forgot it. what's up with that? please tell me that its a photographic illusion.......i was always interested in getting one of these but again, it's going to be a gamble on whether or not it matches to what noel had. i'm sure they are great jackets and such, but i have many westeds. if i want a TOD jacket, i want a TOD jacket with everything all-in.......not someone's interpretation of it.

in regards to the jacket being too small......well, it's SA for sure then. i think it looks good.

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:57 pm

knibs7 wrote:Which theatrical poster are you talking about?

The kind you have between the 2 teaser posters. I don't know if you have the big version of that one too, but it looks like you have 2 teasers and 1 theatrical version! Besides, I want to get rid of my CS poster and a ToD poster would be a perfect replacement.

EDIT: Actually I think I thought that one was smaller than it is..! Well if you want another one and don't like your ToD one, lemme know. Or if you have the other ToD poster.

Shane

MACHONE · Post by **MACHONE** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:39 am

Nibs,
It actually looks great.

I would not give it a second thought. Based on the picture from the back I would think you would be swimming in a larger size, the back panel looks a little big as is, any bigger would be too much. I too have no plans to zip this up when worn. I can zip mine up OK, but it's a little tight. The way the movie jacket fit I believe it would have been a tight fit on Ford if zipped up. The TOD has a different look than any of the others. Any larger I think the overall look would be sacrificed.
You should be OK with the sleeve length, it looks good. I find the sleeves will also react differently with your arms up, based on how the jacket is sitting on your shoulders.
-Ben

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:03 am

Indiana G wrote:those collar stands are all over the place as far as shape and size....knibs, yours looks like they almost forgot it. what's up with that? please tell me that its a photographic illusion.......i was always interested in getting one of these but again, it's going to be a gamble on whether or not it matches to what noel had. i'm sure they are great jackets and such, but i have many westeds. if i want a TOD jacket, i want a TOD jacket with everything all-in.......not someone's interpretation of it.

in regards to the jacket being too small......well, it's SA for sure then. i think it looks good.

The collar stands? Or the top above the storm flap?

The one on the NH was mashed, it was a tiny stub, and all the stitching had come apart. the one on this jacket is about right, it should probably have a squared off corner but that's about it.

CM · Post by CM » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:12 am

I'm with Holt, it looks a little small to me - although long enough in the sleeves. Can you zip it up? My question isn't will you, but can you. If you can't with ease then the jcket is too tight. Despite this, I'm sure you can wear and enjoy it as is.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:21 am

Nibs, It does look a bit small. The arm length is correct for right now but may get short when the sleeves wrinkle. Your 'Crucifix' image shows how it's long enough. The 'frankinstein' pose really has no bearing on the fit of the jacket, any jacket not made of a stretchy material or does not have cuff ribbing will do that to some degree, and you can see Ford's jackets do that in the driving scenes in Raiders.

It would suit very well for the "end of movie' scenes, for the "village" scenes you might want to order slightly bigger/looser. The rolled over zipper is so screen like as is the way the collar flares.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:35 am

When I zip it up, it's obviously not BAGGY, but it also isn't hard at all to zip. I mean, it's snug, but it doesn't feel like my stomach is going to bust the jacket open

Nibs

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:50 am

knibs7 wrote:When I zip it up, it's obviously not BAGGY, but it also isn't hard at all to zip. I mean, it's snug, but it doesn't feel like my stomach is going to bust the jacket open

Nibs

I don't think it's too small, but can you post a photo of it zipped up?

It's not a loose fit jacket.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:53 am

Kt Templar wrote:
Indiana G wrote:those collar stands are all over the place as far as shape and size....knibs, yours looks like they almost forgot it. what's up with that? please tell me that its a photographic illusion.......i was always interested in getting one of these but again, it's going to be a gamble on whether or not it matches to what noel had. i'm sure they are great jackets and such, but i have many westeds. if i want a TOD jacket, i want a TOD jacket with everything all-in.......not someone's interpretation of it.

in regards to the jacket being too small......well, it's SA for sure then. i think it looks good.
The collar stands? Or the top above the storm flap?

The one on the NH was mashed, it was a tiny stub, and all the stitching had come apart. the one on this jacket is about right, it should probably have a squared off corner but that's about it.

I think he means the collar stand end, which of course also forms a part of the storm flap top.

Knibs' looks good but a little short compared to mine and others. It could be Knibs' is the right length and the others are not.
The best looking one pictured so far is Shane's on the jacket that was too big for him.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:08 am

I'll post pics later today. Who knows?-Maybe I AM just going for the end of the movie look ;-)

Nibs

orb · Post by **orb** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:24 am

Hey knibs!

I think your jacket looks great! If it's to big then stretch the #### out of it

On the first pictures of your TOD you look a bit like Shia

I'm sure a Mutt's Jacket will fit you great

Regards

orb

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:40 am

That jacket looks great Knibs, but the stormflap top...what is up with that?
Like someone else asked, is it just the photo, or is it really that small?
I was goin to cancel my washed goat TOD, but I'm glad I didn't. They look so good. But honestly, if mine arrives with the stormflap looking like that, it's going straight back. I've accepted enough near-enoughs not to have to put up with something like that again. It's not like it's a hard-to-see part of the jacket..it's right there. And it shouldn't be hard to get it right; it should be as wide as the storm flap and squared, not rounded, off, right?
I know leather isn't easy to work with, but these people are professionals. The inconsistencies are getting ridiculous, and more frequent.
And yes, I'm angry.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:41 am

Like someone else asked, is it just the photo, or is it really that small?

A few minutes of research here would show you that yes, the end of the storm flap is really that small. The only problem is that Knibs is rounded where the end of the flap is supposed to be squared off just like the stitch on the end of his storm flap.

It's not like it's a hard-to-see part of the jacket..it's right there. And it shouldn't be hard to get it right

This I agree with 110%. They had the original jacket in hand so I cannot see how the inconsistancies keep popping up. Again, no quality control or perhaps a full understanding of the various differences from jacket to jacket over at Wested.

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:56 am

I've email Peter to make sure I get a squared-off stormflap top, and even asked for the collar to join the flap a bit before half-way.
Will my requests be met or ignored? Stay tuned.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:58 am

What's up with wanting jackets people can't zip up? If it's a costume you want , ok, but if it's something you plan on having and wearing for a few years you need an extra inch or so.

Jackets can and do shrink and people, especially ones in their 20's, might get a bit bigger as they leave those years behind. Not saying anyone will get gigantic, but an inch or so will make a big difference.

I'd say an extra inch in the chest and an inch on the sleeves - those will shorten most likely.

orb · Post by **orb** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:37 am

knibs7 wrote:I'll post pics later today. Who knows?-Maybe I AM just going for the end of the movie look ;-)

Nibs

Hey knibs7!
What jacket size is yours? and what size you are wearing normally?
Regards

orb

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:05 pm

Right about the storm flap tip, but the rest of the jacket and fit looking great.

Mac · Post by **Mac** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:57 pm

Knibs the fit and the jacket look good. As for the end of the collar stand, I wouldn’t loose any sleep over it, but if you want more “screen accuracy” try the hot-water stretch trick (and maybe a seam ripper.)

- Mac

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:03 pm

Mac wrote:Knibs the fit and the jacket look good. As for the end of the collar stand, I wouldn’t loose any sleep over it, but if you want more “screen accuracy” try the hot-water stretch trick (and maybe a seam ripper.)

- Mac

You can see in the photo of the NH jacket the collar stand end is longer than the one on knibs' jacket. It has slight radiused tip, but fairly straight sided. I think it's plain to see even though the end has obviously come apart.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:09 pm

Mcfly's collar end

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/ ... 010232.jpg

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:12 pm

It's times like these I wish I'd taken a better picture...

Of course that was before I sandpaper'd that edge to make it more round.

Shane

MACHONE · Post by **MACHONE** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:24 pm

Raider S wrote:What's up with wanting jackets people can't zip up? If it's a costume you want , ok, but if it's something you plan on having and wearing for a few years you need an extra inch or so.

Raider, not necessarily. We are all in different climates. I have different jackets for different seasons. While I know not everyone does, I am looking at this as a warmer weather jacket. No need to zip it up. It's not a costume jacket for me, but still serves a functional purpose. In a pinch I can zip it up, but I prefer it look tighter as I want at least one of my jackets to really emulate what's on screen.

The photo of Nibs with his arms out I think proves it's not too small to me. However, as with anything else the responses here have proven that opinion is varied. It's really up to Nibs, and what makes him happy.
-Ben

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:10 pm

Understood. But a lot of it comes down to how someone feels in their jacket. Sometimes when people ask how it looks its because it may not "feel" like it fits.

I think his jacket looks fine and my comment was general, but I do think the sleeves might be too short when the sleeves start to wrinkle.

orb · Post by **orb** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:05 am

I just called Gemma about the status of my Washed Goat TOD Order.
I wanted to cancel the second inner pocket but she said that the jacket already been cut. I asked about the buggy lining and she said no Sir it's all correct. Let's hope they got it right like the first time

Regards

orb

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:17 am

See, that flap is perfect. It's absurd that Knibs' was sent out the way it was. Once again, if it were mine, I'd send it back.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:36 am

What the...?? No offense meant to Orb, but he ordered his first ToD after I did and received it before me. Now he's ordered a second ToD that it's beginning to look as if he'll receive this second one before me as well. I ordered back in mid-Dec. when Peter stated that he had dark brown hides in stock, so this shouldn't be a hide shortage issue. I'd really like to know what's going on with my order -- but I can't even get a reply email. I understand that KT said they're snowed in, but what about the other emails that went unanswered until I resent them from weeks ago? Again, nothing against Orb, I'm glad at least someone is getting their jacket, but what about little old me??

~Jace

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:45 am

Phone Wested. I just did, and it cleared up a few things.
I won't go into detail, but I think I'll be phoning from now on whenever I have an enquiry.
I feel they're an old fashioned company and that the phone is the preferred way of doing business. Even though it's slower, if someone answers the phone, you will get the answers you seek. Hopefully.
Regardless, my washed goat is being cut as we speak, apparently.
I'd actually tried to cancel, but on hearing it's so close to completion, I've decided to stick with it. It's a Temple of Doom jacket after all, so I will have no trouble convincing myself I now need a TN Raiders jacket to complete my set.
I hope you get your jacket/s soon, Tyrloch, but at this rate I may beat you to it too...

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:50 am

What's the time difference to England? I was thinking about doing the same -- phoning to cancel the order, especially if they tell me that they haven't even started it yet!!

KA, what hide did you request this time?

~Jace

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:53 am

It's almost 3pm in London right now, I think.
This time I ordered washed goat.
I would call them right now. Gemma will hopefully help you out, and given your situation, I wouldn't get off the phone until I had some real answers. Maybe speak to Peter direct if you have to.

orb · Post by **orb** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:56 am

I'm sorry that you haven't received yours in time Tyrloch.
Just call them! I have wrote them 5 Emails about canceling the second inner pocket. No reply. What size have you ordered? I just went again for a 40 Long.

Regards

orb

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:56 am

I just saw that you wrote it was washed goat this time -- I must be blind. Do you remember the date that you ordered this one?

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:58 am

To assure that I got the right fit, I ordered 2 -- a 40 and a 42. One I'll be keeping, the other I'll be selling. I won't know which until I try them both on...

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:59 am

Mine was ordered January 7th.
With so many TOD jackets hopefully coming in at once, it will be interesting to see if Wested can get all the important details right on each jacket.

orb · Post by **orb** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:06 am

I've ordered my first TOD jacket in auth. lambskin on the 4th January and the second one in washed goat on the 28th January.

Regards

orb