AB Order timeline...ongoing

Mulceber · Post by **Mulceber** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:41 pm

Maybe there should be a separate list for ABD's? Not necessarily a new thread, just a separate list for them. -M

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:51 pm

Michaelson, I owe you a coffee sir.

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:58 pm

;-)

Regards! Michaelson

scot2525 · Post by **scot2525** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:55 pm

Michaelson wrote:Thing is, this list is for AB's made by Fedora, not AB deluxe models made by Marc, which begs to ask the question, how many of those listed are actually Deluxes and not standard AB's?

Regards! Michaelson

This list does not also take into account the Magnoli HJ fedoras that Steve is making. I know first hand that the wait times on these has increased from 2 - 3 months to 5 - 6 months since late last summer.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:57 pm

scot2525 wrote:
Michaelson wrote:Thing is, this list is for AB's made by Fedora, not AB deluxe models made by Marc, which begs to ask the question, how many of those listed are actually Deluxes and not standard AB's?

Regards! Michaelson
This list does not also take into account the Magnoli HJ fedoras that Steve is making. I know first hand that the wait times on these has increased from 2 - 3 months to 5 - 6 months since late last summer.

Very good point but he will be finishing up with those shortly or should i say won't be doing them that much longer. The time frame is unclear.

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:59 am

Kryptonian,
Great hat - I was a November 07 CS -- with a head size of 7 3/4.....hopefully this means melon heads are next in line...probably not, but there's always hope!

Risu · Post by **Risu** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:43 am

Is it just me, or are there very few hats being received as of late?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:49 am

Again, there's no accounting for all the hats made for customers who are NOT members here. Just because WE see varying number of hats come in doesn't mean many aren't still being shipped elsewhere. Also, keep into account gearheads like me who have ordered and received hats within whatever timeline and simply don't care to post about it.

Philippines Jones · Post by **Philippines Jones** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:35 am

IndyBlues wrote:All very valid points, and I understand there is a long wait time for an AB from Steve. Thing is, when should I start to be concerned that the wait is TOO long? Is it ever too long? April will be 2 years for me.
If I don't get it by then, should I just be patient and wait another year?

If you look at the list, you'll see where I am at, and there are NO orders before mine. Not only that, but my original order was months before that April '07 date. So you see, in reality, it's already past the 2 year mark. This isn't for an original order, this is for a replacement.
Maybe I shouldn't have priority over someone elses order that is already on the block, but maybe a little bump up would have been nice.

Understand where I'm coming from? Does anyone?
Mike

IndyBlues, Just my 2¢'s worth - I don't blame you for feeling that way. I would feel the same way too. I don't think anyone should have to wait 2 years for anything, especially after paying for it, without some kind of update acknowledgment.

And just maybe if you paid using Paypal, like a lot of people did, I am sure Paypal would agree with you too. And they are great for helping consumers. Simply open a dispute with Paypal, and they will get the ball rolling. And in no time you will have a response. Well that's been my experience using Paypal. Just a 2¢ idea. ;-)

IndyBlues · Post by **IndyBlues** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:30 am

Philippines Jones wrote:
IndyBlues wrote:All very valid points, and I understand there is a long wait time for an AB from Steve. Thing is, when should I start to be concerned that the wait is TOO long? Is it ever too long? April will be 2 years for me.
If I don't get it by then, should I just be patient and wait another year?

If you look at the list, you'll see where I am at, and there are NO orders before mine. Not only that, but my original order was months before that April '07 date. So you see, in reality, it's already past the 2 year mark. This isn't for an original order, this is for a replacement.
Maybe I shouldn't have priority over someone elses order that is already on the block, but maybe a little bump up would have been nice.

Understand where I'm coming from? Does anyone?
Mike
IndyBlues, Just my 2¢'s worth - I don't blame you for feeling that way. I would feel the same way too. I don't think anyone should have to wait 2 years for anything, especially after paying for it, without some kind of update acknowledgment.

And just maybe if you paid using Paypal, like a lot of people did, I am sure Paypal would agree with you too. And they are great for helping consumers. Simply open a dispute with Paypal, and they will get the ball rolling. And in no time you will have a response. Well that's been my experience using Paypal. Just a 2¢ idea. ;-)

Thanks for the understanding, but there is no way I would file a Paypal dispute with him. I still consider Steve a "Brother in Arms", if you will.
He goes way back in the hobby, and before the KOTCS influx of orders, he was an active member here. He is a busy man, and I actually talked to a mutual friend last night, that gave me some insight into the situation.
I need to give Steve a call, and work something out. Bring an end to the whole situation.
Mike

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:46 am

1st, There are other items I know of that are hand made and they take up to 3 years. My point is that anyone placing an order shouldn't be shocked by a very long wait. We all have known about his turn around time.

I know that it's very hard to contact Steve. I myself would like to talk with him almost on a daily bases but I hold back how often I contact him. My advise to his customers is...... When you place your order, Place it via paypal. They will confirm you payment has been received ( and order). We all know very clearly that his wait is around what now 12 - 14 months. I wouldn't bother the guy with a single e-mail until that lead time comes around. I think if people did that he would have less e-mail to deal with.

Indyblues, I'm glade to see you took a different route to you problem.

JeffB · Post by **JeffB** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:05 pm

BendingOak wrote:We all have known about his turn around time.

Thats not entirely true. His turn around time has changed over time. I ordered mine early December 07 and was told a 6 month lead time at that point. Several months ago, it was accepted that his lead time was 12 months. Now it seems to be accepted that his lead time is 14-16 months.

Now I don't bug Steve with emails, because I know I am on the list and I will get my hat when I get it. Sure its frustrating, but it is what it is.

I'm also starting to think this list is pointless and is just adding to everyone's frustration.

I am recommending it be locked down.

BendingOak · Post by **BendingOak** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:23 pm

JeffB wrote:
BendingOak wrote:We all have known about his turn around time.
Thats not entirely true. His turn around time has changed over time. I ordered mine early December 07 and was told a 6 month lead time at that point. Several months ago, it was accepted that his lead time was 12 months. Now it seems to be accepted that his lead time is 14-16 months.

Now I don't bug Steve with emails, because I know I am on the list and I will get my hat when I get it. Sure its frustrating, but it is what it is.

I'm also starting to think this list is pointless and is just adding to everyone's frustration.

I am recommending it be locked down.

Do I have to put a date on all my statements.

lingarn · Post by **lingarn** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:11 pm

I don't know why this thread has taken such a turn, but I'd rather it not be locked down.

There is no accurate way to estimate how long it will take for Steve to fill an order. It depends on how many orders were placed when, what size you wanted, probably what bash you wanted, and how he is doing presently in terms of production. Way too many variables to track with any dataset, let alone the limited one here.

That said, for many of the people on the list, seeing that hats are still arriving is comforting. Participation in this list is voluntary, and seeing how the months of orders tick slowly by gives a person less reason to worry (and send unnecessary e-mails).

Given the above, I'd prefer this thread wasn't closed. If we can't keep a voluntary, informal list about AB orders here, where could we?

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:11 pm

I believe I posted this in another thread where this one was mentioned, but I feel that this thread is just plain rude. I'm not sure how it can be misconstrued as anything but venting on how long it takes to get an AdventureBilt hat. If the list were a complete customer list provided by Steve, then it would actually contain usable information (beyond the non-COW members, there are many who aren't contributing to this thread). I have a hat on order, but I don't think it is right for me to chime in and say I ordered my hat on "XXXXX" and it still hasn't gotten to me.

The one issue I have with the extended delivery times is that nowhere during the ordering process is it ever mentioned as to when to anticipate delivery. This is certainly an issue for non-COW members who aren't aware of the long waits. Just one line of text on the Order and Pricing page might actually eliminate the number of people inquiring about where their hats are. It would also allow people to plan accordingly.

Once again, I feel that all this thread does is stir the pot.

Mike

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:24 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:Again, there's no accounting for all the hats made for customers who are NOT members here. Just because WE see varying number of hats come in doesn't mean many aren't still being shipped elsewhere. Also, keep into account gearheads like me who have ordered and received hats within whatever timeline and simply don't care to post about it.

Yes, in case you didn't notice a movie came out last year called Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

I'm sure since that took place Steve has orders coming in from every imaginable place.

Risu · Post by **Risu** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:45 pm

Joe, I see your point, but I agree with Lingarn that this thread just helps us to approximate wait times so we have some idea when we might receive our hats. It is comforting to see people on the list get their hats, and even though the list isn't a complete record of Steve's sales, each time someone on the list receives their hat, the number of names before ours is reduced and we're one step closer to getting our hat. If it weren't for the list, none of us would know the ever-expanding wait time was normal and we'd be emailing Steve much more frequently. Personally I gave up on emailing Steve, so I just check this list occasionally to see if anyone is still receiving hats.

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:53 pm

Nick, I'd like my order taken off the list. I'm beginning to see why some people have a problem with the list. I don't want anything to do with it any more.

Dave

Kokopelli · Post by **Kokopelli** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:28 pm

BAD, BAD LIST!!! IT MUST BURN!!!!!

...just kidding. I like it.

TheChimp · Post by **TheChimp** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:15 pm

FloatinJoe wrote:I have a hat on order, but I don't think it is right for me to chime in and say I ordered my hat on "XXXXX" and it still hasn't gotten to me.

I completely agree with the statement, but I think it assumes the intention of the respondent is to complain about the wait time.

When I, for instance, responded, I was merely saying that I ordered my hat on "XXXXX" since that was the question asked in the thread. I am not trying to hurry Fedora, nor am I upset that I don't have my hat yet. I can see how some might take it that way, but I can honestly say that was never my mindset.

As long as Fedora doesn't take the thread as a "hurry up, already" nudge, then I think it's fine. If he does, or the thread turns overtly negative about the wait time, then the thread is probably more trouble than it's worth, regardless of the original intention.

Just my 2 cents, which is probably not even worth 1 cent.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:30 pm

Kokopelli wrote: BAD, BAD LIST!!! IT MUST BURN!!!!!

...just kidding. I like it.

Did someone call me?

Regards! Michaelson

Odo · Post by **Odo** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:03 pm

Finally got that white box, which was designed to support 32lbs/in, but the 3rd World Post Service employees proved they can do that and more!

But the hat survived perfectly, as it was meant to happen! thanks, Steve!
RECIVED Jan 19 2009 (Though I went today to the customs)

(I'll post more pics in the AB thread later)

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:28 pm

Looks good Odo -

But for now the "list" has gone "poof"

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:29 pm

Well, without the list, there's really no further need to keep this thread open then.

Thanks for all your efforts, nick!

Regards! Michaelson

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