Yes!! It's here! Bernardo 8' Raiders

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:23 pm

$\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

I'm very pleased with this new whip, and I'm very excited to break it in and get it doing all those fancy tricks I've learned. The color is just *gorgeous* and I wish it would stay this color forever (crack in the shade? lol). This is the color I wish I'd always had, and now I finally have it!

Care to guess the maker? Borton can't guess because I know he knows..

;-)

The maker also sent with it some scrap pieces of the roohide he used to make it. It's very interesting to see the thickness of the leather, and also be able to see and feel the unbraided hide. Very interesting!!

Now I'm just waiting for oooone more...

Shane

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:42 pm

I'd say,
but that would ruin the fun for everyone else. Considering you told me multiple times this was on its way

It looks great!
Whoever the maker is ;-) his work always looks consistently amazing.

rjallen70 · Post by **rjallen70** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:48 pm

Louie??
Scratch that
I am going with Strain...izzat your final answer?
Yes it is.
My guess anyway

Ron

Indiana County Jr. · Post by **Indiana County Jr.** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:41 pm

Looks like a Pagey to me?

Allen

racerx · Post by **racerx** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:58 pm

would that be a Bernardo made whip? I really like the lighter color tan to , I haven't cracked my stenhouse 9 footer as much either to keep looking that way,

cheers.

Jim J.

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:08 pm

It *is* a Bernardo. I just took it out for a half hour or so and started putting it through its paces, doing some slow figure eights and quiet overheads, and I'm shocked at the difference between a 4 year old whip (my Stenhouse) and a brand new one. Of course everybody knows how different they are, but it's surprisingly difficult to switch back and forth between a noodle and a pole.

Maybe some day in the future I'll be able to coil this monster - but until then I'm going to keep working it in and training it to be a good DeLongis style whip.

I'll be able to post a thorough review maybe in a week or so, but out of the box and after an hour or two, I think Bernardo makes a fantastic whip, and I couldn't recommend him more. The whip is gorgeous, gives me crisp cracks, looks and feels sturdy, and did I mention how awesome it looks? And good thing I didn't have to provide measurements for the whip, or I would have gotten those wrong.

Shane

Canuck Digger · Post by **Canuck Digger** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:55 pm

That was my first thought - Bernardo! Hahaha! I swear!

It is a thing of beauty isn't it? Looking at a well-made whip is like looking at a *real* katana; it's just got layers upon layers of details of beauty! It's great!

Congratulations Shane!
Enjoy,

Franco

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:07 pm

i knew you were waiting on a bernardo......

nice whips hey shane? bernardo does beautiful work. oh, thanks for rubbing in your whip practice to us canadians who are in a foot of snow

just kidding.......enjoy in good health my friend.

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:18 pm

Congratulations Shane,

I know you’ve been waiting awhile for your Del Carpio bullwhip, glad to hear it arrived. It looks great too! This is the first one I’ve seen since Bernardo returned back to Peru; It looks like he out did himself once again. Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts on it, in the mean time have fun!

Dan

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:29 pm

BullWhipBorton wrote:This is the first one I’ve seen since Bernardo returned back to Peru; It looks like he out did himself once again.

He actually told me that he re-made most of the whip because he finished it and wasn't happy with how it turned out. How's that for dedication to one's craft?

Thanks guys! It was nice to get a really good looking bullwhip after the snafu with my ToD jacket.

Shane

Indiana County Jr. · Post by **Indiana County Jr.** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:58 pm

Awwww Man!! I thought it was a Bernardo, but second guessed and said "Pagey", I gotta long way to go.... DOH!!!

Allen

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:14 pm

That looks like a work of art. Congratulations! I'm very very happy with my Bernardo I got a couple of months ago - a saddle tan with brandy knots.

DanielJones · Post by **DanielJones** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:04 pm

Congratulations Shane!

That is a beauty to be sure. Can't wait to see it in action if you'll indulge us.

Cheers!

Dan

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:45 pm

Oh I'm sure I'll make a new video for you guys... but only after Saturday. I'll be getting a little skill polishing then. Besides, if it's a little more broken in, I don't look like SUCH a dork. ;-)

Shane

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:54 am

Bernardos whips are some of the EASIEST to break in. The two I've had were pretty much 'noodles' like you say, within two sessions. His braiding isn't loose by any means, the whips just aren't stiff for any time at all. Nothing like the rock solid, machine-like braiding of a Strain. Now THOSE take some time to break in. I don't think its physically possible to braid tighter than Strain can.

TR

DR Ulloa · Post by **DR Ulloa** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:38 am

I've been thinking about who I should get my next whip from. I've been thinking about Bernardo and Strain. I though I was set on Strain but now I'm not sure!

Thats a great looking whip Shane. Congrats!

Dave

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:54 am

Shane,

It's about time it got there. I'm happy for you; you've been waiting quite awhile for it. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

Now tell me about this "skill polishing" that you're getting...

Mike

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:54 am

FloatinJoe wrote:Now tell me about this "skill polishing" that you're getting...

;-) I'll tell him you said hi.

Dave - I've tried a few Strains before, and really between the two you can't go wrong. It IS a tough choice! And they're priced almost exactly the same! I don't know why they make it so tough to choose.

Shane

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:02 pm

It'll be really cold this time of year. Make sure you dress warmly. I'll try and give you a shout tonight. And I'm expecting a shout afterward (just as you always get one).

Mike

Imahomer · Post by **Imahomer** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:28 pm

It sure looks sweet!

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:18 pm

DR Ulloa wrote:I've been thinking about who I should get my next whip from. I've been thinking about Bernardo and Strain. I though I was set on Strain but now I'm not sure!

Thats a great looking whip Shane. Congrats!

Dave

Go with a Strain! He's the Jedi Master! Although Bernardo makes a good whip, you'll have your Strain in about 4 weeks! And he really is the Pinnacle in the whip world (IMO,,and others, I'm sure) You'll be waiting for a Bernardo, for,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(tick,tock,tick,tock)

But if you don't mind waiting.....a long time....get a Bernardo, his whips are really super nice, and impeccable attention to screen details- but you just can't compare them to a Strain- two different levels altogether!
(this is from experience) ;-)

TR

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:29 pm

Texas Raider wrote:Although Bernardo makes a good whip, you'll have your Strain in about 4 weeks! And he really is the Pinnacle in the whip world (IMO,,and others, I'm sure) You'll be waiting for a Bernardo

Just to be clear, Joe's current wait time is 6-8 weeks. And I'm sure Bernardo's wait wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't been busy moving back to Peru from the States and having to get all set up again and back to work.

Shane

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:43 pm

Mcfly, I'm not bashing Bernardo, and Strain is VERY conservative on his times, I've ordered quite a few from him, they normally get there sooner than he says. Remember, the dude is a SEASONED veteran as far as whipmaking goes. The two I ordered from Bernardo took a very long time, and it was not because of a move of any kind, and his emails weren't the friendliest when I inquired about it. The wait times have been mentioned by other on here, too. Like I said, I don't want to bash Bernardo at all, he's a great whipmaker and I still have one of his whips. I'm just stating some facts is all, my friend. Some people don't mind waiting super long times for items, whether it be hats, jackets, whatever. 6-8 weeks is a limit for me.

TR

raider 57 · Post by **raider 57** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:29 pm

Congrats on the B whip Shane,that looks fabulous!

Perfect look,and certainly will improve with age. Unfortunately,I've had to put my Bernardo ambitions in the back burner for now. I recently got a Karaka synthetic whip,which is perfect for snowy practice for you Canadians.
Maybe I can try your Bernardo out the "next" time I'm out your way Shane. I'm planning on it!

~raider 57

Mola Ram · Post by **Mola Ram** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:34 pm

Texas Raider wrote:Mcfly, I'm not bashing Bernardo, and Strain is VERY conservative on his times, I've ordered quite a few from him, they normally get there sooner than he says. Remember, the dude is a SEASONED veteran as far as whipmaking goes. The two I ordered from Bernardo took a very long time, and it was not because of a move of any kind, and his emails weren't the friendliest when I inquired about it. The wait times have been mentioned by other on here, too. Like I said, I don't want to bash Bernardo at all, he's a great whipmaker and I still have one of his whips. I'm just stating some facts is all, my friend. Some people don't mind waiting super long times for items, whether it be hats, jackets, whatever. 6-8 weeks is a limit for me.

TR

Well you aren't the friendliest guy around either. You tend to go on a bashing flow and don't stop to consider circumstance.

You came at me with a hot poker over the whip artist whip holder before even asking if I had permission to make them...which I was given a long time ago.

If you dish it out, don't expect not to get it back.

I've had many many nice conversations with Bernardo over the years ,and unless its a different fella, i don't know who you are talking about.

JMObi · Post by **JMObi** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:35 pm

I think Joe is outstanding, and I'd love to one day have a whip of his, but I deliberately chose Bernardo over Joe for the two bullwhips I got last year because I feel Bernardo is closest to the original Morgan style. I got the first whip from Bernardo, and liked it so much that several months later I ordered another. Del Carpio whips are perfectly Morganesqe imo. I could easily have chosen Joe Strain whips, but went with Bernardo instead. Bernardo's whips don't become broken in too quickly.

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:56 pm

Regarding Bernardo's personality, each email I recieved from him was also very nice, and even when I started to get impatient, he kept me updated and aware of what was going on with my whip. I would gladly deal with him again, if this whip wasn't perfect.

;-)

JMObi - glad to hear you like them too, and I also chose the Bernardo because of the resemblence to the old Morgans.

In fact, I recently compared my whip to the Raiders whip on the main page with Sergei's measurements and mine is almost exactly the same!!! There are a few small differences here and there, but the strand width is the same, handle width, ring knot width, and all sorts of stuff! I think the Turk's head was just a little less wide, and my wristloop is a little longer. But I was definitely impressed!

Shane

Texas Raider · Post by **Texas Raider** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:59 am

Mola Ram wrote:
Texas Raider wrote:Mcfly, I'm not bashing Bernardo, and Strain is VERY conservative on his times, I've ordered quite a few from him, they normally get there sooner than he says. Remember, the dude is a SEASONED veteran as far as whipmaking goes. The two I ordered from Bernardo took a very long time, and it was not because of a move of any kind, and his emails weren't the friendliest when I inquired about it. The wait times have been mentioned by other on here, too. Like I said, I don't want to bash Bernardo at all, he's a great whipmaker and I still have one of his whips. I'm just stating some facts is all, my friend. Some people don't mind waiting super long times for items, whether it be hats, jackets, whatever. 6-8 weeks is a limit for me.

TR
Well you aren't the friendliest guy around either. You tend to go on a bashing flow and don't stop to consider circumstance.

You came at me with a hot poker over the whip artist whip holder before even asking if I had permission to make them...which I was given a long time ago.

If you dish it out, don't expect not to get it back.

I've had many many nice conversations with Bernardo over the years ,and unless its a different fella, i don't know who you are talking about.

Who me? Not the friendliest? Problem is, you've never met me in person- it's the cyber barrier that makes me seem unfriendly ;-) same thing that makes you young whipper snappers think you can talk smack to adults ;-). I just don't sugar coat things, and people don't like that. I can take what I dish all day long, bro. ;-) . Like I said, I'm not bashing Bernardo, he may be a great guy, I don't know him, I'm talking whips here.

TR

Post by **BullWhipBorton** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:14 pm

Chill out you two…

TR your comments may have come off as a little bashing and cynical, though I am sure you didn’t mean them too. Maybe that’s just your wording or how your online personality comes across, what ever it is you are entitled to your opinion and that’s fine. You don’t necessarily have to sugar coat things, but a bit of tact goes along way. If you felt Bernardo was impolite to you in his private conversations, then you should try to resolve that privately; as it might have just been the cyber barrier.

Mola Ram, regardless of your feelings towards TR, please do not bring up past personal issues here on this forum, it’s unprofessional, unneeded and personally I doubt any of us really want to hear it. You don’t have to like everyone here, but this forum is not set up to supply members a place to bicker and flame, If you have an issue with another member take it up privately or go elsewhere, either way leave it off this public forum.

Facts are, if you want a traditional Indy style bullwhip made as close as possible to the whips David Morgan used to make, you order it from Bernardo. That’s the way Bernardo makes them and they top quality whips. Even David Morgan sends customers to Bernardo when they ask for those requirements. When you order a Joe Strain Indy whip, it is true your getting a whip made by one of the best whipmakers around today, but your also getting a Joe Strain bullwhip. As close as they are to the original Indy whips, they still look, feel and handle like a Joe Strain whip, not that thats a bad thing at all, but its not what everyone wants. I happen to have a great deal of respect for both whip makers and their product and bottom line, both are premier Indy whip makers.

Now since this thread is about Shane’s new Del Carpio bullwhip,and not about who’s better then who, or who is friendly or who is not, Keep the conversation on track.

Thank you.

Dan

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:37 pm

So yesterday I went up to see Anthony De Longis and spent some time working on whip stuff (and I ended up throwing tomahawks and battle axes with Liontamer while Dejah Thoris laughed at the sudden boost in testosterone).

I had Anthony take a look at the new Bernardo and he really liked it! After his first crack with it he said to himself, "Oh, very nice.." and he told me he thought it had a very good feel to it, and he liked it a lot. He also said to give my compliments to Bernardo (which I have), and later he asked if he could use it again!

$\:D/$

So after using it for a while yesterday (though I spent more time with his shorter, 13"-long-handled Jacka whips), I'm absolutely pleased with it, and I'm so glad it's finally here and breaking in nicely.

Also interesting to note was that he handed me a chainmail whip like the kind Adam Winrich used on Time Warp and had me try that out. It was surreal! The whip is very short, and very heavy, and if you're not careful you'll lose your connection with the whip and it'll fall limp. Very different than the kangaroo whips!

Shane

Indiana County Jr. · Post by **Indiana County Jr.** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:24 pm

Hi Shane,
Just curious, what did you think of the 13" Jacka whip? I am thinking of getting one later on after my indy 4 jacka order has been filled. And also how long was it? Super congratulations on the Bernardo! I so hope to have one of those one day!

Crack On!

Allen

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:30 am

Ah! Well... the longer handles give you a lot more leverage with the whip, and they're very nice for targeting too. They're also nice to use when you're used to short handled whips, because it tests your form and your ability to transfer whatever you know to a different style of whip.

Sometimes they're difficult to get used to, but they're very very(!) nice for multiple cracks and combinations, and they're a nice change of pace - especially the 5-6 foot whips.

Shane

FloatinJoe · Post by **FloatinJoe** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:31 am

Shane, I'm glad you had a good time out at the ranch. I'm still waiting for my call telling me about all the fun you had.

I have to say that I've used the chainmail whip that Shane mentioned. It really is a trip to try. I was definately something that I wouldn't want to crack on a regular basis, but the experience was fun enough.

Mike

Indiana County Jr. · Post by **Indiana County Jr.** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:44 pm

Sometimes they're difficult to get used to, but they're very very(!) nice for multiple cracks and combinations, and they're a nice change of pace - especially the 5-6 foot whips.

Shane

Thanks Shane!
That is cool to know. I am slowly (...very slowly ;-) ) building my collection and have my eye on eventually getting one of those. Now i know.

Crack On!

Allen

raider 57 · Post by **raider 57** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:38 pm

I keep checkin' out your new whip Shane. If it cracks as good as it looks....I need one of those next!

~raider 57

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:03 pm

Thanks! And it smells good, too!

It's breaking in nicely, but it's still a little stiff (understandably). Though the coils are a little smaller now, so that's good.

Bernardo makes one FINE bullwhip!

Shane