Wested TOD arrived!

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:18 am

Hey Shane.

First thing, they got all the ToD details spot on so that's a plus.

Size wise, we've been trying to figure out recently! The perceived wisdom was something like: The jacket size should be a about 4" bigger than the 'quoted', eg a 38 would measure at 42 to allow for movement and breathing space. Now I think that is a bit of a red herring, I suspect there *is* breathing space built into jackets but not that much and I think it may go up as the jackets get bigger. That said, Michaelson stated that his 44 marked jackets all measure exactly 44 so that whole theory is still up for debate!

Back to your particular case, yours measures out as a 36? That would only be 1" above your requested size so it would be far less than we have been expecting in breathing space. It's not meant to be ultra tight.

And within tolerances.

Second, the labels they have are only in even numbers and they have given you the closest to the size they made. (ie 34, 36, 38.)

Long sleeves will always be better than too short and that can be adjusted after a bit of wear.

Can you post some pics with the jacket on? zipped and unzipped please?

Lastly I think they have run out of unissued MKVii's but of course should not have charged you if they didn't have any! I believe they still have a few used ones.

At there end of the day if it really is too big, and you are swimming in it, then send it back for another, or the other option: donuts.

.

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:16 am

Well I got an email back from Gemma and she says it IS a 35 according to their cutting records and they put the 36 label because they don't have a 35 one... but luckily she said they can remake the jacket for me if I pay another 50% of the price.

They'll refund my MkVII but I still feel like the jacket is too big, and I don't like the leather anyway. I guess the lamb is much lighter than the old lamb they were using, and so it's about as heavy as a Todd's jacket. Wasn't what I expected... Is the washed goat heavier?

I just hope somebody else on COW is a size 35 so I can sell this thing and get a new one. I'll try and do some pictures..

Shane

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:19 am

What, they remake the same jacket but charge you an extra 50%? What about a refund and starting over? And charging you for a bag they don't have? I just don't get these kinds of things that seem to be nearly constant.

Measure it against your Wested that fits and tell them the difference.

The washed goat is thin but very strong. Strong like bull.

Atticus · Post by **Atticus** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:29 am

I'm a 36 and I was thinking about getting another TOD to distress. PM me with the measurements of the jacket and maybe we can work something out.

Atticus

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:38 am

here's the main specs..

McFly wrote:Aha!! This was my order:

Description: Temple of Doom Jacket
Jacket Size: 36
Sleeve Length: 24.5
Back Length: 25
Skin Type: Dk Brown Lambskin
Lining Type: Nylon
Extra Inside Pocket: None
Name Label (optional):
Special Requests: **JACKET SIZE 35**

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:14 pm

Yeah, that's pretty much it... though I think it does actually measure out as a 35. I double checked it and I think I just can't measure myself at all.

..so apologies to Wested for being so upset about the sizing, but I'm still upset that I screwed it up!

Anyway, Atticus, if you're interested PM me. Otherwise I'll throw it into the Bazaar, and then if that doesn't work out, it's off to eBay.

Shane

Atticus · Post by **Atticus** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:22 pm

I'll check my spec sheet when I and will let you know tonight.

Atticus

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:23 pm

McFly wrote:I guess the lamb is much lighter than the old lamb they were using, and so it's about as heavy as a Todd's jacket.

Anybody have any comments about this? The last Wested lambskin jacket I've worn is from 2001, so the thickness of the hides Peter now uses might have changed. Anybody have one of each so that they can talk about comparisons?

SD

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:29 pm

Here are a few not-so-great shots:

Shane

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:32 pm

St. Dumas wrote:
McFly wrote:I guess the lamb is much lighter than the old lamb they were using, and so it's about as heavy as a Todd's jacket.
Anybody have any comments about this? The last Wested lambskin jacket I've worn is from 2001, so the thickness of the hides Peter now uses might have changed. Anybody have one of each so that they can talk about comparisons?

SD

Just to be clear, I do have a lambskin Wested jacket from 2006, and it has the leather facings and all that and it's much heavier. I have felt the Todd's jackets though, and that's how this new dark lamb one feels. I just want something a little heavier... though I may try the washed goat regardless of whether it's heavier because it just looks so great.

Shane

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:05 pm

I completely agree about the weight of the jacket.. it's very very light.. I was quite surprised when I picked mine up for the first time. I have have sweatshirts that are heavier..

Shane, I think I see a couple things here.. a) you're wearing a ToD jacket with a Raiders Tshirt, and b) your left shoulder is frequently higher than your right, maybe you need a chiropractor.. also, the jacket is a perfect compliment to that couch

lol, all joking aside, it does look big and long, although it's a bit hard to tell with an untucked Tshirt on, can't tell where your belt-line is. Did you measure the sleeves and back as a check with what you ordered or is the main problem the chest fit?

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:09 pm

Piers wrote:
Shane, I think I see a couple things here.. a) you're wearing a ToD jacket with a Raiders Tshirt, and b) your left shoulder is frequently higher than your right, maybe you need a chiropractor.. also, the jacket is a perfect compliment to that couch

This post alone made waking up this morning worth it!

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:11 pm

Yeah, I knew I'd catch something about that t-shirt, and you can chalk my shoulder up to my heavy backpacks and me always wearing it on one side.

I did try and curl up the tshirt so that it would be where my belt line is, but that didn't work very well... The jacket does sort of hang off my shoulders and chest though. If I zip it up I can grab the storm flap and pull the jacket out in front of me maybe a foot! I could put on 50 pounds of gut and this jacket would still fit!

Shane

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:16 pm

I think it's not that far off, and a hot soak would really hit the spot (the ToD jacket looks like it's been soaked repeatedly), if it has enough body length to go for it.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:17 pm

McFly wrote:

Yeah, I knew I'd catch something about that t-shirt, and you can chalk my shoulder up to my heavy backpacks and me always wearing it on one side.

I think I have the same thing, but in the interest of level shoulders and even jacket wear, I try and switch sides regularly.

I did try and curl up the tshirt so that it would be where my belt line is, but that didn't work very well... The jacket does sort of hang off my shoulders and chest though. If I zip it up I can grab the storm flap and pull the jacket out in front of me maybe a foot! I could put on 50 pounds of gut and this jacket would still fit!

Shane

tucking in the shirt might have worked better.. and if you've got room for a couple of pillows in hte jacket, then yeah, it's too big.. mine, just guessing cuz I don't have it right now, I might have room in the chest to make a fist, a little more in the stomach area...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:50 pm

St. Dumas wrote:
McFly wrote:I guess the lamb is much lighter than the old lamb they were using, and so it's about as heavy as a Todd's jacket.
Anybody have any comments about this? The last Wested lambskin jacket I've worn is from 2001, so the thickness of the hides Peter now uses might have changed. Anybody have one of each so that they can talk about comparisons?

SD

My ToD is in 'authentic Brown Lambskin' and while it's thin (It is Lamb after all) it's not bad. Someone else commented that their ToD in authentic brown was thicker than their other Wested in Lamb.

indy1936 · Post by **indy1936** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:22 pm

My Raiders lambskin jacket from 03 is noticeably thinner than my lambskin from 04. Just 6 months difference. My 08 lambskin is thinner than the 04 but heavier than the 03.

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:26 pm

woah..shane

that jacket is way to big for you.I mean the small temple o doom pockets look standard raiders pockets on your jacket....

that what I have been saying before.
I dont think wested upsizes or downsizes the pockets.it certanley doesnt look like that.all jackets I have seen seem to have the same size pockets.....

the pockets on the original will work on a 40,but on a 44 or bigger they will look to small.and a jacket size under 40,like a 36 the pockets will look to big....like on your jacket...

are you sending it back?

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:52 pm

The pockets on this jacket measure 5.5x6, versus my Raiders jacket, on which the pockets measure 5.25x7. How large are the pockets supposed to be? Are they like this on a 40?

I can't send the jacket back because it actually *IS* the size I ordered, and so there's nothing actually "wrong" with it per se, besides the fact that I measured incorrectly and ordered the wrong size. I'm hoping to sell the jacket and order one size down and in washed goat.

Shane

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:00 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:
the pockets on the original will work on a 40,but on a 44 or bigger they will look to small.and a jacket size under 40,like a 36 the pockets will look to big....like on your jacket...

Great! If that's true, then the pockets on my 50 will look like they came off a Hasbro Indy jacket.

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:10 pm

im just saying what it looks like to me.not saying it is true or anything...

just my observations thats all..

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:48 pm

No offense, but some of you guys are just too skinny! 35-36?! Last time I was a 36, I was 12 years old! ...Got to eat those Wheaties!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:40 am

crismans wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:
the pockets on the original will work on a 40,but on a 44 or bigger they will look to small.and a jacket size under 40,like a 36 the pockets will look to big....like on your jacket...
Great! If that's true, then the pockets on my 50 will look like they came off a Hasbro Indy jacket.

it's OK, ToD pockets are too small to put your hand into anyway.

Post by **Holt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:29 am

PSBIndy wrote:No offense, but some of you guys are just too skinny! 35-36?! Last time I was a 36, I was 12 years old! ...Got to eat those Wheaties!

some of you who say stuff like this,dont think about that skinnyness might be a problem for some people,just like people who are overweigth.they cant help it.they either want to gain or loose weigth,but they cant..so many people might take offence by comments like this....

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:11 pm

McFly wrote:The pockets on this jacket measure 5.5x6, versus my Raiders jacket, on which the pockets measure 5.25x7. How large are the pockets supposed to be? Are they like this on a 40?

Shane

Shane,

FYI, the pockets on my size 40 ToD are 5 1/2" x 6 1/4". It doesn't appear that Wested changes the size of their pockets in proportion to the jacket size (at least in the sizes below 40). Maybe someone with a size 44 or up can weigh in on the measurements of their pockets.

Kind regards,
Craig

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:35 pm

This jacket is up in the Cairo Bazaar for anybody interested in a skinny jacket.

viewtopic.php?t=37232

Shane

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:42 pm

I don't think it's that bad a fit, the sleeves are a bit long but that could be remedied.

But I know what you mean about liking the look of the washed goat!

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:41 pm

Sometimes, amazingly enough, I forget that I have one of these on the way. Then I read this thread and remember that I want it now!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:25 pm

serrecuir wrote:
McFly wrote:The pockets on this jacket measure 5.5x6, versus my Raiders jacket, on which the pockets measure 5.25x7. How large are the pockets supposed to be? Are they like this on a 40?

Shane
Shane,

FYI, the pockets on my size 40 ToD are 5 1/2" x 6 1/4". It doesn't appear that Wested changes the size of their pockets in proportion to the jacket size (at least in the sizes below 40). Maybe someone with a size 44 or up can weigh in on the measurements of their pockets.

Kind regards,
Craig

I'm not so sure anyone would want the pockets any smaller anyway.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:51 pm

serrecuir wrote:
FYI, the pockets on my size 40 ToD are 5 1/2" x 6 1/4". It doesn't appear that Wested changes the size of their pockets in proportion to the jacket size (at least in the sizes below 40). Maybe someone with a size 44 or up can weigh in on the measurements of their pockets.

Kind regards,
Craig

42 here, same size pockets

Post by **Holt** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:13 pm

yes,this supports my theory!

same pockets for different sizes.

that shouldnt be the case,they need to upsize and downsize them.

like you cant have the 6.5x7 raiders pockets on a 50 jacket or a 35 jacket.they need to fit the jacket,or else it will look wrong...

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:34 pm

So what size should the pockets be on say... a 34? Maybe I'll use some algebra or something and come up with a formula. Then we can put in the special request to have our pockets at the appropriate size...

...of course then the pocket flaps probably wouldn't be scalloped... why can't they scale this stuff on their own? I want the right sized pockets on my jacket!

Shane

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:45 pm

I'm guessing a scaling factor like
<size>/40 * 6.5 x <size>/40 * 7

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:45 pm

Ok guys, how would you scale the pockets on a 34 compared with a 40?

Assuming the jackets are the same length? You cannot reduce the height.

You might shave a little off the width, but too much and the pockets start to look too tall, your pockets are 1/4 of an inch narrower than the other quoted pockets. Remember they are really tiny to start off with, take much more off and they are really not pockets at all?

So scale the pockets in pro down to the size of the jacket... a 34 is 85% the chest size of a 40, so scale the pockets at 85%... that won't work, they will be too short....

See the problems, it's not as simple as it looks.

Sweet spot is 40 and perhaps 38-42. Other sizes may need log books!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:11 pm

I agree with KT. Sizes over 42 might need slightly larger proportion pockets but say 36 (maybe even a 34) - 42 should be fine with the standard ToD pocket. These are really small to start with! I can get four fingers in the 'handwarmer' section of mine. That part of the pocket is almost a decoration.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:13 am

I got my jacket today and...

IT FREAKIN ROCKS!!!

The light lambskin (which is lighter than any other lambskin I own) is perfect for CA weather, just perfect. I think the lining is superior and more comfortable to other linings. The zipper (which is rather big but still fine) and hardware is great! Definitely worth the money and wait. I am so jazzed. (Pics coming tomorrow, camera chargin). Really great jacket, perhaps the best, in my humble opinion, that Wested has to offer.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:14 am

oh yeah, and fits great too!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:19 am

Yay! Finally!

This is an odd jacket, but there is just something about it.
Can't wait to see the photos

McFly · Post by **McFly** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:44 am

ReturningSon wrote:The zipper (which is rather big but still fine) and hardware is great!

It is big, isn't it? I wonder why it was chosen when the jacket was originally being made... it's almost ridiculously large!

"Do you want a jacket to go with that zipper?"

Shane

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:50 am

Story I read was the costume designer for the movie decided he wanted a silver coloured zipper, and had them all changed. I'm not sure why such a large one. I could guess so it would show up more on screen, it was all they could get, or he just really liked it.

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:52 am

It would have looked very large on your size 35, McFly! On a 40/42 and higher, it's big, but not silly looking.

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:25 am

I believe the 5 1/2 X 6 1/4" pockets are standard for all sizes. They measure the same on my 44.

Besides the handwarmers being SA on the NH jacket, Wested probably could have just made the pockets without them like US Wings does with their historical lines. As handwarmers they are useless.

Even my 10 year old niece tried sticking her hands in my jacket as she wore it and found it difficult to do.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:31 pm

ok, ok...pics!!

Liek I stated earlier, well worth the wait. The fit is so great. Unfortunately, the girlfriend isnt here right now so I can't take a pic of the fit but here are some others.

The texture of the lamb is so nice and will develop that "natural" grain look very quickly.

This jacket has a special sewn-in inscription in satin sheen which states “Harrison Ford- Indian Jones Film 2” which was written on the inside of the original jacket. I wish they could have "spiced" this up a little (a la Tony's inside jacket inscriptions) but still looks nifty!

I guess this a correct collar vent but it doesnt make a difference to me.

more pics

Well, I think just one more jacket to get: Tony's Raiders and then I am done!

orb · Post by **orb** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:44 pm

ReturingSon your jacket looks great! I should get my TOD jacket very soon. What lamb is yours? Auth. or Dark Brown?

Regards

orb

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:48 pm

ReturningSon wrote:

These 2 pics show very well, how, if we didn't know the what the correct buckle was, how all sorts of theories could develop. I could easily be interpreted as some sort of rectangular slider only exposed on one side, rather than the 2 prong 3 bar buckle it actually is.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:22 pm

ReturningSon wrote:....................

This jacket has a special sewn-in inscription in satin sheen which states “Harrison Ford- Indian Jones Film 2” which was written on the inside of the original jacket. I wish they could have "spiced" this up a little (a la Tony's inside jacket inscriptions) but still looks nifty!

.............

Great looking jacket. The inscription label is a nice touch. Mine did not come with that.

That squared collar stand end looks like the corrected one. You probably have the corrected vent too.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:24 pm

Kt Templar wrote:............

These 2 pics show very well, how, if we didn't know the what the correct buckle was, how all sorts of theories could develop. I could easily be interpreted as some sort of rectangular slider only exposed on one side, rather than the 2 prong 3 bar buckle it actually is.

Very true KT. One can only imagine.
I like that I was correct about what the buckle was though ;-) Peter found an excellent one to use for this.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:27 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:............

These 2 pics show very well, how, if we didn't know the what the correct buckle was, how all sorts of theories could develop. I could easily be interpreted as some sort of rectangular slider only exposed on one side, rather than the 2 prong 3 bar buckle it actually is.
Very true KT. One can only imagine.
I like that I was correct about what the buckle was though ;-) Peter found an excellent one to use for this.

LOL well spotted, I would never have noticed the flattened bar.

PS I think RS requested the custom label. (I really don't like that labelling system, I think it's really naff). I do like the intention though.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:51 pm

I'm not to worried about the label. It is interesting though.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:33 pm

It is dark brown.

The label was a special request. I think it is a nice little touch.

Yeah, really nice jacket however, now that I think about it, the wait was a little long. I order the very first day it was avalible (the 29th of October, I think), nearly three months is, well, long. One problem was that Peter didn't have all the patterns down (he was still working on the 48-52 pattern when he put the jacket up for sale) so that ate up some time.

However, I am completely happy with the end result. The fit is great, the details are SA but my greatest compliment is the lambskin. So light and great to touch, just perfect for nice CA weather, I couldn't have asked for a better jacket.

I was thinking about ordering a cooper TOD jacket but now, I believe this is gonna be the definitive TOD jacket.

Thanks Peter and a very special thanks to Noel and his family for donating the jacket!