Wested TOD arrived!

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:49 am

Great Jacket!

I have also ordered one a few days ago.. now I got the question from Gemma:

"Please can you confirm if you want the Noel Howards specs or your measurements in his sizing.
Cheers Gemma"

I don't understand this question right.
I wrote that I want that my TOD jacket should be a 1:1 copy of the Noel Howards jacket. My english really isn't the best. I gave the following measurements:
Temple of Doom Jacket
Jacket Size: 40
Sleeve Length: 25.5
Back Length: 26
Skin Type: Authentic Brown Lambskin
Lining Type: Nylon
Extra Inside Pocket: None
Name Label (optional):
Special Requests: Revised collar and vents!

Aren't those the same specs as the NH jacket?

Regards

orb

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:57 am

I think she wants you to confirm if you want a 1:1 copy of the NH jacket or the NH pattern in your size. I'm sure you want the latter!

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:12 am

Thanks

What size is the NH jacket?

Regards

orb

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:15 am

It's a 40.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:46 am

Serrecuir,

Your Authentic brown lambskin jacket is darker than the washed goatskin one? My washed goat is pretty dark, so I would've thought that the authentic-colored jacket would be lighter...

~Jace

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:21 am

Serrecuir,
Can you please post some pics of the side vents and top of the storm flap, please? From the pics you posted it looks like they squared off the top of the storm flap but that it doens't extend out enough towards the edge.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:27 am

I am ordering mine tonight.

I will point out that they need to do a squared off SF and letting the collar be halway between zipper and edge. and the vent needs to be SA.

no Nylon either.hate it...

but,I am going for a topstiched Hem I think.just for the durability.I am planning of having that jacket a long time......

but I havent decided yet..

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:35 pm

Tyrloch wrote:Serrecuir,

Your Authentic brown lambskin jacket is darker than the washed goatskin one? My washed goat is pretty dark, so I would've thought that the authentic-colored jacket would be lighter...

~Jace

Jace,

Indeed, my washed goat is much lighter compared to my authentic brown Raiders jacket. The lamb had a coat of Pecards applied right after Halloween, so I know that darkened it up some, but the washed goat is definitely still much lighter.

agent5 wrote:Serrecuir,
Can you please post some pics of the side vents and top of the storm flap, please? From the pics you posted it looks like they squared off the top of the storm flap but that it doens't extend out enough towards the edge.

Agent5,

As requested, here are two pics of the side vents and the storm flap. Let me know if you want to see any additional views.

Kind regards,
Craig

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:39 pm

looks really,really good. I see that they have not attahed the collar halway betwene zipper and stormflap.but thats such a small detail....

I just placed my order.mine should be the same as yours.

at least that is what Peter told me.he said he was gonna make it super accurate for me.

could I get a close up of the anchoring on the straps.

how would you say the anchoring feels? tough? or weaker? is it double stitched?

thanks man
Holt

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:44 pm

he said he was gonna make it super accurate for me.

Why not make all of them like that? After all, they had the original in hand to make this possible.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:04 pm

very nice looking corrections on that one! (slightly envious)

Post by **Holt** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:32 pm

I think serrecuir jacket is super accurate.it really rocks.I hope mine will look like that..and the leather is really nice too.

De Payens · Post by **De Payens** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:48 pm

Hey holt I guess you're ordering a 44R. What back length are you
gonna get?I'm ordering a 44R as well.

thanks

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:18 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:looks really,really good. I see that they have not attahed the collar halway betwene zipper and stormflap.but thats such a small detail....

could I get a close up of the anchoring on the straps.

how would you say the anchoring feels? tough? or weaker? is it double stitched?

thanks man
Holt

Thanks for the compliments, Holt. I'll snap a good close-up pic of the strap anchorings when I get home this evening. I'd say the anchoring feels a bit weak when compared to my Raiders jacket - it's not double-stitched (at least from what I can see) and this anchor design doesn't have the box pattern with the "X" or "K" stitching on the strap side. It's just two rows of stitches holding the anchoring on the jacket (one row underneath the strap, and the other row on top when the strap is folded over).

I hope this helps. I'll post a pic later today that should clarify.

One thing I do not like on this jacket is the lining. I've worn it a bit today, and the inside pocket keeps popping out from the jacket while it's unzipped. The lining is somewhat "baggier" than my other Westeds and doesn't hug the inside of the jacket. I may have a tailor put a few tack stitches to keep the pocket in place and not slide around. Other than that, this jacket is a real treasure! I love the leather - it has a great color and very matte finish.

Kind regards,
Craig

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:27 pm

Love the corrections! The ToD in washed goat looks very nice.

The fit of the ToD is great. Full at the shoulder and chest but slimmer throughout the body. It's fitted yet room to move and/or layer.

I actually think that Wested should incorporate the ToD fit into their Raiders jackets.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:41 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:looks really,really good. I see that they have not attahed the collar halway betwene zipper and stormflap.but thats such a small detail....

I just placed my order.mine should be the same as yours.

at least that is what Peter told me.he said he was gonna make it super accurate for me.

could I get a close up of the anchoring on the straps.

how would you say the anchoring feels? tough? or weaker? is it double stitched?

thanks man
Holt

That's what is odd. Mine with the rounded collar stand end has the collar centered on the storm flap. Why would they change that?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:49 pm

Browncoat wrote:Love the corrections! The ToD in washed goat looks very nice.

The fit of the ToD is great. Full at the shoulder and chest but slimmer throughout the body. It's fitted yet room to move and/or layer.

I actually think that Wested should incorporate the ToD fit into their Raiders jackets.

Browncoat, could you fix your photos? They still aren't showing.

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:21 pm

Crazy as it sounds, if I can sell my lambskin TOD cheap (check the bazaar!), I'll probably get one in washed goat. It simply looks too good.

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:09 pm

I changed the leather from my TOD order from Auth. Lambskin to the Authentic Washed Goat! I couldn't resist! It's just looking to #### good.

Regards

orb

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:25 pm

serrecuir's washed goat looks more like novapelle hide to me when compared to the other pics I've seen of WG.

Nova might be a great hide for the TOD.... Anyone order a TOD in novapelle?

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:31 pm

Hello Coronado

I believe Wested only offers this Jacket in Lambskin, Authentic and Washed Goat. That's what I read here...

http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... -158-p.asp

regards

orb

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:32 pm

coronado3 wrote:serrecuir's washed goat looks more like novapelle hide to me when compared to the other pics I've seen of WG.

Nova might be a great hide for the TOD.... Anyone order a TOD in novapelle?

I don't think you can get a ToD in the thicker hides like Novapelle because of some of the jacket's design features like the glued hem.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:36 pm

Oh yeah... I do remember reading something about that!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:23 am

crismans wrote:
coronado3 wrote:serrecuir's washed goat looks more like novapelle hide to me when compared to the other pics I've seen of WG.

Nova might be a great hide for the TOD.... Anyone order a TOD in novapelle?
I don't think you can get a ToD in the thicker hides like Novapelle because of some of the jacket's design features like the glued hem.

I'm not sure, the Wings jackets have a glued hem and they are thicker and the TN CS jacket has glue or glue tape in the hem..

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:25 am

Wow touche sir!

Nibs

Post by **Holt** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:39 am

you can order the TofD in the hide you want to actually.cow,nova or Horse.but then they have to do a topstitched hem.

I am going for the stitched hem for extra durability and cotton lining.I cant stand that nylon...I hate it when it gets to hot and its just to slippery.

I am going for a 44 with the backlenght of 27''

I have a raiders of the rack that is 27'' and it has a perfect Temple fit on me.

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:11 am

Holt,

Here's a pic of the anchoring on the straps. Hope this is what you were looking for.

Kind regards,
Craig

CM · Post by CM » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:02 am

serrecuir wrote:Holt,

Here's a pic of the anchoring on the straps. Hope this is what you were looking for.

Kind regards,
Craig

That is not anchoring. That is the stitching. What this jacket needs for real world use is anchoring - which invloves a small, thick square of leather underneath the jacket body onto which the strap stitching is anchored so it can't tear away. That's the risk with Indy jackets if the stitching isn't anchiored to something they can tear loose.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:13 am

RCSignals wrote:
crismans wrote:
coronado3 wrote:serrecuir's washed goat looks more like novapelle hide to me when compared to the other pics I've seen of WG.

Nova might be a great hide for the TOD.... Anyone order a TOD in novapelle?
I don't think you can get a ToD in the thicker hides like Novapelle because of some of the jacket's design features like the glued hem.
I'm not sure, the Wings jackets have a glued hem and they are thicker and the TN CS jacket has glue or glue tape in the hem..

Just going by what's on the Wested website, sir!

As several area are glued and not topstitched the heavier skin are not usable at this time.

orb · Post by **orb** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:50 am

Hello guys.

Can't change the leather of my TOD order anymore.
My Jacket has already startet to be cut! Very fast

Gemma wrote that they currently out of the auth. washed goat since 6 weeks. Seems I need to wear the heck out of the lambskin.

Regards

orb

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:01 pm

To the Wested TOD owners: is there much of a taper to the collar? And does the collar largely resemble the Raiders collar, or do any resemble the Wested's CS/LC collar?

Many thanks.

SD

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:15 pm

St. Dumas wrote:To the Wested TOD owners: is there much of a taper to the collar? And does the collar largely resemble the Raiders collar, or do any resemble the Wested's CS/LC collar?

Many thanks.

SD

To me, there is a significant taper in the ToD collar, and it leads to more angular points at the ends, but that is one of the characteristics of the ToD jacket that I really like. At the narrowest spot on the collar (in the back), it measures 2 3/8" in width; at the widest part (at the points), it measures 3".

Kind regards,
Craig

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:30 pm

serrecuir wrote:
St. Dumas wrote:To the Wested TOD owners: is there much of a taper to the collar? And does the collar largely resemble the Raiders collar, or do any resemble the Wested's CS/LC collar?

Many thanks.

SD
To me, there is a significant taper in the ToD collar, and it leads to more angular points at the ends, but that is one of the characteristics of the ToD jacket that I really like. At the narrowest spot on the collar (in the back), it measures 2 3/8" in width; at the widest part (at the points), it measures 3".

Kind regards,
Craig

are you measuring it from the seam that sews it to the top of the collar stand ?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:31 pm

crismans wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
crismans wrote:
coronado3 wrote:serrecuir's washed goat looks more like novapelle hide to me when compared to the other pics I've seen of WG.

Nova might be a great hide for the TOD.... Anyone order a TOD in novapelle?
I don't think you can get a ToD in the thicker hides like Novapelle because of some of the jacket's design features like the glued hem.
I'm not sure, the Wings jackets have a glued hem and they are thicker and the TN CS jacket has glue or glue tape in the hem..
Just going by what's on the Wested website, sir!

As several area are glued and not topstitched the heavier skin are not usable at this time.

yes, they say that. I'm just confused by it because of the other jackets. no big deal, i like the authentic Lamb on this jacket.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:39 pm

Browncoat wrote:When I ordered I told Wested that I worked out and their standard specs on their Raiders were tight on me and to add .75 inches to the armhole/bicep area or just make the jacket looser cut at the shoulder and bicep. The waist area and body are perfect.

I wear a 44R or L depending on manufacturer with a 33/34 pant waist/34 inseam. I'm 6' and about 185lbs at the moment. Not buffed or fat but fairly solid.

browncoat,

could you please tell me how long your jacket is?

and how much the top sleeves are now? measured flat over the bicep area.

looks really good!

serrecuir · Post by **serrecuir** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:40 pm

RCSignals wrote:
serrecuir wrote: To me, there is a significant taper in the ToD collar, and it leads to more angular points at the ends, but that is one of the characteristics of the ToD jacket that I really like. At the narrowest spot on the collar (in the back), it measures 2 3/8" in width; at the widest part (at the points), it measures 3".

Kind regards,
Craig
are you measuring it from the seam that sews it to the top of the collar stand ?

Yes, these measurements are taken from the top edge of the seam of the collar stand where it joins with the collar.

Kind regards,
Craig

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:24 am

well, still waitin' patiently..

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:37 pm

I have been wondering about this somw time now..and I keep on forgetting to ask Peter about this everytime I have him on the phone....

I wonder if the pockets are upsized a few % by each size above 40?

to me they look like the same size on all jackets...

Kt?

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:10 pm

[quote="RCSignals]

yes, they say that. I'm just confused by it because of the other jackets. no big deal, i like the authentic Lamb on this jacket.[/quote]

It's a very good point, and one I have to confess I hadn't considered. The other jackets you mentioned do have some heavy leather and use the glue for hems and such.

I don't think I'm letting any cats out of any bags when I say that the action pleat on the original Temple looks to be glued rather than stitched That might have been a problem with the heavier leathers but I think Wested stitches that seam (those that have one could confirm/refute this).

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:01 pm

The action pleat of the Wested reproduction is stitched, but from the photos the action pleat of the NH jacket appears to be as well. I can't imagine a glued action pleat holding at all.
KT tried it on maybe he remembers.

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:12 pm

it is NOT stitched. ;-)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:14 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:it is NOT stitched. ;-)

that's the prototype, not the NH jacket

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:18 pm

Great info coming from TOD owners. Here's another question for you:

Are the prongs from the buckles intended to puncture the leather or does the strap just fold around the prongs?

Many thanks.

SD

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:26 pm

St. Dumas wrote:Great info coming from TOD owners. Here's another question for you:

Are the prongs from the buckles intended to puncture the leather or does the strap just fold around the prongs?

Many thanks.

SD

The prongs could poke through if you wanted them to. The jacket didn't arrive with them poked through. I've set mine to fold around/over the prongs. On a waistcoat often the same is done, as poking the prongs through a cloth strap makes a mess after a while.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:29 pm

Photos of the back of the NH jacket I've found. If someone has different ones please post them. It appears to me the action pleat is stitched, but they are photos and it's hard to tell for sure.

and a screen shot

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:34 pm

I know its a prototype jacket dude...

isnt that what they call when they make a 1:1 copy of an original jacket?

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:36 pm

Thanks for the response, RC.

Re the pleat stitching, I know KT addressed it, but I couldn't locate it on a search and I didn't want to spend an hour doing it. But I seem to recall he said there was narrow stitching on the NH jacket. Over to you KT.

SD

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:36 pm

People who have one of production jackets may be able to confirm. The outer edge on the pleat should be stitched and glued. It's one of the details missing on the proto.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:37 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:I know its a prototype jacket dude...

isnt that what they call when they make a 1:1 copy of an original jacket?

OK Dude ;-)
What I'm saying is, it's definitely glued on that prototype, but not on mine, and it looks to me the NH jacket was also stitched.
The prototype may have been glued for expediency?

Post by **Holt** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:38 pm

true ;-)