Wested TOD arrived!

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:59 am

PETER,

Any chance of using dark brown goatskin? Esp. now since the washed goatskin arrived like this? Please let us know if it's a possibility, thanks.

~Jace

Tron7960 · Post by **Tron7960** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:22 am

Fortune and Glory wrote:Tron --

That jacket looks great on you! If you don't mind my asking, what's your ballpark height and weight?

Congrats again. Lots of character to this one. Can't wait to see pics of others.

Thanks!

I'm 5'8" and weigh 160lbs

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:25 am

Here is the update
1. We are trying to get out what jacket we can from the skin.
2. Under pressure the tannery has put a replacement batch into work
NOW for delivery after xmas.
3. We are now out of authentic goatskin although it is in work.
4. I do have some dark brown goat from before which is not as soft the current authentic goat
5. Some Jackets leaving today with revised collar and vents

Whilst I can understand your anxiety none of you is as frustarted as me with the current skin supply situation. I can only apologise I have the ability to produce but not the materials to work with.

Cheers
Peter

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:31 am

Glad I ordered the lamb.

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:35 am

So, only jackets leaving today have the revisions, Peter?
I'm currently tracking mine, but I imagine it was probably finished before the corrections took place. No matter, I wouldn't notice them anyway, I'd say.

ReturningSon · Post by **ReturningSon** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:14 pm

Has any of the 50 patterns shipped yet?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:12 pm

Peter I hope some who ordered the washed Goat will consider the distressing of the hide and accept what you have. I assume you've emailed those who ordered that hide with the suggestion, as some may not be members here.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:26 pm

PETER,

So are you saying that I can place an order and request the dark brown goatskin? If so, I'll place my order right away...thanks.

~Jace

Tron7960 · Post by **Tron7960** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:27 pm

Tron7960 wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
PSBIndy wrote:
Right, but usual times for a custom is 21 days.....this TOD jacket has taken MUCH longer than that. I really hope it'll be worth it.
I don't know what hide you ordered but with the detail changes Peter has said he's making, and other than possible arm size, I think you'll be pleased.
Mine has stretched out in many of the areas it felt a bit snug, even the arms, but I'd still like the upper arms through the elbow area to be a little more roomy.
We've seen some close-up details of your jacket but I don't think we've seen any pics of the fit. Any chance you can give us some picks of you wearing your TOD. I shouldn't be the only reference. ;-)

Come-on, I can't be the only one who wants to see pics of RCSignals wearing the TOD.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:29 pm

Tron,

I'd like to see him wearing it too. I had thought he would've posted some pics by now without having to be nagged... ;-)

~Jace

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:30 pm

Really? You know nagging is almost key to getting pictures posted!

Seriously, I'd love to see what this jacket looks like on a human body, too. ;-)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:36 pm

B(r)ink, are you insinuating Tron isn't a human body?

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:38 pm

That's exactly what I'm insinuating!

The truth is out there!

Okay, another human body. ;-)

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:40 pm

RC,

Ha, good one!! Now let's see the pics!!

;-)

~Jace

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:46 pm

Wow those lines on the washed goat do look bad.

If not worn, I wouldn't mind a shot of the whole authentic lamb ToD just to know what the whole jacket looks like. It is a bit odd that only 2 jackets have been delivered.

I think the chances are greater that COW members made the very first initial orders than the average joe looking to make an Indy jacket purchase.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:17 pm

finally someone to take pictures

Front

Front zipped

Back

Back Zipped

Side

Wearing the jacket it has 'stretched'. I could now wear a hoodie under it I'm sure

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:21 pm

RC,

Now that it's had time to stretch, would you recommend ordering your exact size, your exact size with larger upper sleeves, or ordering one size up? Thanks for the pics, BTW...

~Jace

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:28 pm

I think I said it before, but I'd order the exact size but ask for slightly more room in the upper arms through the elbow area. The cuff end at 6" measures flat across is fine, and the arm hole seems fine.
since you are ordering now you'll also get the corrected collar end and vent details

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:32 pm

Thanks, I was deciding between my size with larger upper sleeves, and going 1 size up & shrinking it in the washer/dryer if it was too big...

~Jace

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:34 pm

RCS, the slim waist is in evidence there!

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:36 pm

RC,

Which hide is that? And what back length did you order for your height & weight?

~Jace

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:38 pm

Kt Templar wrote:RCS, the slim waist is in evidence there!

Mine or the jacket?

The chest measurement of the jacket itself is good, but the low yoke being positioned where it is does not 'give' across the back as it should.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:40 pm

RCSignals wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:RCS, the slim waist is in evidence there!
Mine or the jacket?

The chest measurement of the jacket itself is good, but the low yoke being positioned where it is does not 'give' across the back as it should.

Yup, you feel the line across your back, I noticed that too.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:42 pm

Tyrloch wrote:RC,

Which hide is that? And what back length did you order for your height & weight?

~Jace

It is the authentic Lamb. shows a bit darker in those pictures.

I ordered original jacket size, so it is a 26" back length. 25.5" sleeve but could have been 26"

My TN CS is also HF size and it fits perfectly. The two jackets are very close in measurements, with exception of upper sleeve.
The 'feel' of the fit is slightly different.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:43 pm

Kt Templar wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
Kt Templar wrote:RCS, the slim waist is in evidence there!
Mine or the jacket?

The chest measurement of the jacket itself is good, but the low yoke being positioned where it is does not 'give' across the back as it should.
Yup, you feel the line across your back, I noticed that too.

It's the kind of jacket that probably wasn't designed to be worn zipped up anyway

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:03 pm

Wow....definitely a NICE jacket! Love the leather and the teeth for the zipper!

I am curious about your height as well, RC.

I ordered a 44 (26 inch length with a 25.5 inch sleeve) which pretty much falls in line with my other two Indy jackets (Todd's Standard and a US Wings LE).

But I did not take into account that the ToD is a slimfit and perhaps should have gone either a size large or added an inch to the sleeve to counter the fit.

Either way....I won't know until it gets here!

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:17 pm

My height typically measures just over 6 feet, but lets say 6 feet even

CM · Post by CM » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:02 pm

RCSignals wrote:My height typically measures just over 6 feet, but lets say 6 feet even

Looks great on you. I think those pockets are fantastic - they don't look small to me there. They're more like A2 pockers, really.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:14 pm

Some A2s do have smaller pockets in about this size. The hand warmer part though has very small access. That part is almost joke.
Probably one reason why the original A2s didn't have them

Cooper probably took the pocket size from an A2

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:31 am

Better have some chunky arms for that jacket, Harrison worked out his arms for that movie..

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:06 am

I really like that slim fit look.. I'm not skinny, but I think the USW I'm wearing now is almost as wide as my chest top to bottom and make me look bloated..

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:26 am

bigrex wrote:Better have some chunky arms for that jacket, Harrison worked out his arms for that movie..

well, not this jacket

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:59 am

Very nice pics RC ....does fit look "long" for TOD ? wasn't it supposed to just be 1 in longer than Raiders....this looks as long or more than CS to my eye.....

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:13 pm

Hatch wrote:Very nice pics RC ....does fit look "long" for TOD ? wasn't it supposed to just be 1 in longer than Raiders....this looks as long or more than CS to my eye.....

back length is 26", which the NH jacket was I'm told.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:44 pm

There aren't a lot of good photos showing the back length, but here is one that I think shows how long the jacket is in the movie

http://www.theraider.net/films/todoom/g ... /mo_24.jpg

edit to ad two more photo links. These aren't very clear but I think also show the longer back

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll30 ... back-1.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll30 ... enBack.jpg

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:19 pm

I think the "1 inch longer than Raiders" may have been disproved with TN's stated backlength Raiders Hero measurement vs Peter's NH ToD backlength measurement.

RC, I think your ToD fit is very reminiscent of the scene in the jungle where Indy gets off the elephant and walks toward the first Kali statue that they find. Glad to hear the leather does have some give.

Clutters · Post by **Clutters** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:38 pm

PETER wrote:Here is the fault It is on every skin some worse than others.

If you are going to distress or can live with it let me know
Peter

PM sent.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:08 pm

I don't know- think this line could be "erased" if it were to be distressed? (SA)

Nibs

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:34 pm

knibs7 wrote:I don't know- think this line could be "erased" if it were to be distressed? (SA)

Nibs

Yes, that's what I was getting at. I think that washed hide begs for some distressing anyway.

Clutters · Post by **Clutters** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:25 pm

knibs7 wrote:I don't know- think this line could be "erased" if it were to be distressed? (SA)

Nibs

Here's mine, this is a raised, almost black line down the back of the jacket with pin-prick holes at either end. I don't think it can be distressed out.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:28 pm

Scotchbrite pad, steel wool and or sand paper may hide it pretty well

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:58 pm

RCSignals wrote:
knibs7 wrote:I don't know- think this line could be "erased" if it were to be distressed? (SA)

Nibs
Yes, that's what I was getting at. I think that washed hide begs for some distressing anyway.

Oh, I'm definitely going to distress it- I'm a stickler when it comes to SA. That's why I was wondering if the distressing could cover up the line

Nibs

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:05 pm

So Nibs, you told Peter to go ahead and use that for your jacket?

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:09 pm

so,RC..

I want to hear our opinion aswell.....

I have been talking to tron and KT about this too in pm's

how thight is that jacket really?

need to make the whole jacket bigger by one inch?

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:37 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:so,RC..

I want to hear our opinion aswell.....

I have been talking to tron and KT about this too in pm's

how thight is that jacket really?

need to make the whole jacket bigger by one inch?

If it's a 40 I don't think it needs much adjustment in the body. The bottom seam of the yoke could be made slightly longer which might alleviate the feel of it across the back.
Directly under the arms. side to side on the flat the jacket measures 22.5"

So I guess yes you'd be safe making it larger by one inch across.

The sleeves even though they have 'stretched' could be larger from the shoulder through the elbow. As I said before the sleeve end size measures 6" flat, and that's fine.

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:20 am

So the leather on the washed goat Raiders has pinpricks in it? That's a bit weird. The line doesn't look too bad on an actual jacket but I can see how it can bother someone who paid full price for the jacket.

Also, RC is 40 your regular size? I think I read where your TN was HF sized and fit great so I believe (and I could be wrong) that HF was a slimfit 44 or more like a 42. The ToD is a slimfit 40 in HF's which ends up being a whole size difference so that might be why its a bit snug on you.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:52 pm

RCSignals wrote:
bigrex wrote:Better have some chunky arms for that jacket, Harrison worked out his arms for that movie..
well, not this jacket

What I'm saying is that the fit in the arms of the ToD jacket is tight, and if you want it to look good you will need a little extra muscle or fat bulk in your arms, otherwise it will look "dorky". On H. Ford it looked ultra-cool because he had the arms to back it up in that movie.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:52 pm

Browncoat wrote:So the leather on the washed goat Raiders has pinpricks in it? That's a bit weird. The line doesn't look too bad on an actual jacket but I can see how it can bother someone who paid full price for the jacket.

Also, RC is 40 your regular size? I think I read where your TN was HF sized and fit great so I believe (and I could be wrong) that HF was a slimfit 44 or more like a 42. The ToD is a slimfit 40 in HF's which ends up being a whole size difference so that might be why its a bit snug on you.

Here's the odd thing. The CS jacket in HF size is apparently a 42. My TN CS turned out to be a HF dimension jacket,as when I was giving my measurements they just happened to match the same. This ToD which is supposed to be a 40, (and I thought might not actually fit but I ordered it in actual size of the NH jacket anyway) shares many of the same measurements with the TN CS jacket. Maybe this is why, if at the time of the making of ToD it has been said HF was 'too slim' for the jacket. In other words, it was a large 40 or actually a 'slim' 42. (Recall the story of 'downsized' linings being made for him.
The ToD was only feeling snug on me in teh upper arm area, arm movement was slightly restricted. the leather however has stretch and alleviated this feeling some. The fit of the body is OK.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:56 pm

bigrex wrote:
RCSignals wrote:
bigrex wrote:Better have some chunky arms for that jacket, Harrison worked out his arms for that movie..
well, not this jacket
What I'm saying is that the fit in the arms of the ToD jacket is tight, and if you want it to look good you will need a little extra muscle or fat bulk in your arms, otherwise it will look "dorky". On H. Ford it looked ultra-cool because he had the arms to back it up in that movie.

Although the arms of the jacket in the movie do not look tight on him. Remember this is the jacket that apparently was too big for him

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:19 pm

Slim but not supertight.

I can wear a 38 or 40. More a 40 these days.... the only place it's snug is around the stomach when zipped up but that's cos I'm a bit fat right now!

NB: This is the prototype jacket.