The most SA wested raiders jacket since the film!

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:55 am

Hmmm... if, by chance, mine DOES smell, is there a way to get rid of it?

Nibs

Tyderium · Post by **Tyderium** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:31 am

Congratulations Holt,
Always nice to see someone's research and perseverance produce an outstanding result.
Fantastic spec on the collar. Looking forward to seeing how it breaks in.
Mike

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:47 am

knibs7 wrote:Hmmm... if, by chance, mine DOES smell, is there a way to get rid of it?

Nibs

I didn't like the smell of my washed goat but with time the smell disappear. The only thing I've done is soak the jacket (I don't know if that help the smell to wear off...)

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:11 am

knibs7 wrote:Hmmm... if, by chance, mine DOES smell, is there a way to get rid of it?

Nibs

Dude, come on. It's not going to smell like fish.

Leathers have various oders but it's not going to be anything bad.

Just hang the jacket when you get it and through wearing it it will gradually gas out.

EchoSix · Post by **EchoSix** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:51 pm

My leather Wested goat smells like leather.

You know... I've got the bug BAD.

How likely will Peter take it when I call him to tell him to copy all your specs and toss out everything else I sent him before?

He's still sourcing the lighter shade goat, so they have NOT started cutting the leather for my jacket, so it's not like it's a re-do.

If I'm already "in line" to have my jacket started, it shouldn't matter if I change the pattern, right?

But, that's just "my" point of view. Peter just may see it differently.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:56 pm

I'm sure I've driven Peter and Gemma crazy with some last minute changes. It never fails that I'll order something and find out some new bit of info here that changes everything.

As long as your jacket isn't cut, they've made all changes graciously.

(This is how I found out my ToD has been cut, incidentally).

EchoSix · Post by **EchoSix** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:00 pm

I'm sure he'll say yes and thanks for reassuring me. I just REALLY hate being a bother to nice people, you know?

Now, the morons down at my local Target, are another thing.

mufflowne · Post by **mufflowne** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:00 am

Holt,

are you going to release the specs?

I'd be very curious to see what they are.

WeeMadHamish · Post by **WeeMadHamish** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:23 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:and some hardly come with any smell at all..you have to stick your nose up against it to smell it...

Who here can admit they haven't done this, at least once?

Great jacket, Holt.

Post by **Holt** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:44 pm

Thanks my friend ;-)

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:37 am

hey Holt,

Wested 44R back length is 25.50.
So if your's is 25 means that you only cut the 0.5 inch, i.e. your jacket doesn't comply with the TN jacket in which the front length equals the back length?

Please let us know.

Chris_King · Post by **Chris_King** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:48 am

These are Holts's interpretation of how he sees the Raiders jacket when it's designed to fit his specific body size / proportions. They're not supposed to be a copy of the Nowak jacket.

Chris

PLATON wrote:hey Holt,

Wested 44R back length is 25.50.
So if your's is 25 means that you only cut the 0.5 inch, i.e. your jacket doesn't comply with the TN jacket in which the front length equals the back length?

Please let us know.

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:48 am

Right Chris ;-)

Spaniard · Post by **Spaniard** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:30 am

Hey Holt, that's an awesome jacket !

Could you show us a shot whit the jacket zipper up? I'd like to see how big seems the collar that way.

Also I'd like to know how is the finish in this new soft goatskin compare it whit lambskin in terms of shine and color. For my new jacket I doubt between goat or washed goat.

Thank you and enjoy it!! ;-)

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:49 pm

here it is soaked to break in.its 90% dry...now the molding begins...

you can see how much more raiders it becomes with those bunched up sleeves.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... iders2.jpg

JimL · Post by **JimL** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:09 pm

Holt:

Very nice jacket!

If you'd like to post the specs in my Raider's jacket specs post (with the other 'heavy hitters' of the site) just let me know. I'd be happy to do that for you.

As to the colar, it looks an awful ,ot like mine... I did not go for a specific screen-like look, but rather just sized the collar to fit over a properly sized dress shirt. I wear a 15.5 dress shirt, so I sized the collar at 18. here's a pic of my Horse Hide version:

(Note I am wearing the jacket off my shoulders like Ford does quite often in this shot)

To anyone ordering, I'd suggest something similar, as a smaller or larger neck measurement will greatly affect the way the collar appears on YOUR jacket. Basically echoing what Holt is saying and why he is reserved in 'spilling the beans' of his super-spec jacket. It might look down-right BAD on you...

Also, don't forget that you would need to scale up (or down) the pocket dimensions as needed to keep the same relationships of pocket size to surrounding real estate.

So, as with all the jacket specs, please remember to adjust for your body type and size before placing that order. Holt's looks so great because he took the time to see how the jacket fits, rather than just how it looks. I tried to do the same thing, but fell a bit short...

Please see this post: viewtopic.php?t=35782&highlight= for more information on the jacket specs that I collected going back to 2000 or so on this site.

Holt, if you want your specs there (and I hope you do) please PM them to me and I will take care of it for you.

Congratulations again, Holt!

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:36 pm

and now its dry.

it has shrunken a bit.but that doesnt matter.it fits perfect now.

I took this with the shirt on.I am not wearing the jacket of the back.its on me how its suppose to sit,and still the collar looks like it does on film.I am 100% convinced that this is how the collar is on the film jacket.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... hshirt.jpg
you want this on your jacket? then ask for the Holt collar or Holt yolk...Peter will do the rest.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:42 pm

that is one cool jacket eric. i agree with you about the collar.

and it does look a thousand times better now that she looks lived in.....

get the whole 'newness' thing out of your jackets as soon as you can folks ;-)

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:44 pm

thanks my friend.

hey! look at that cool wavy zipper

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:52 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:thanks my friend.

hey! look at that cool wavy zipper

that's my patented TN1 spec......please send me $0.75 for specing that on your jacket

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:00 pm

yeah right!

Neolithic · Post by **Neolithic** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:06 pm

Holt, you're a steely-eyed missile man!
I prefer this jacket a million or more times over a Novak Indy I!

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:10 pm

wow... thanks

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:15 pm

This jacket just keeps getting better, Holt. Now that you've knocked the new off of it, it really looks like Ford took it off after the Temple scene and tossed it to you. That research on the collar and yoke really paid off (plus your other adjustments).

I've got a jacket with the Holt yoke specs. My next one will have the Holt patented yoke, collar, steely gaze, and hands of death specs. ;-)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:30 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:thanks my friend.

hey! look at that cool wavy zipper

It actually looks better as it's shrunk shorter. (that's what makes the zipper wavy too, it's now longer than the space it's in)

Post by **Holt** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:33 pm

yep!and I am digging it.

I think this i why we see the wavy zipper on the film jacket.

we all know that the orignal jackets was given a water treatment.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:27 am

That looks really good man!!

Nibs

CM · Post by CM » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:38 am

J!m wrote:Holt:

:

My ##@, it's Wayne Carey (sorry Aussie joke)

Don't Call Me Junior! · Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:57 am

The jacket looks great, Holt, especially after the waterboarding treatment you gave it. Do you happen to have any pics of you wearing the jacket zipped after the soaking you gave it?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:33 am

Hey Holt,

Spaniard, Don't call me Junior and myself have asked you to post a photo of the jacket zipped up all the way, to see how big the neck is.

Why are you ignoring us?

conceited_ape · Post by **conceited_ape** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:06 am

CM wrote:My ##@, it's Wayne Carey (sorry Aussie joke)

I'd apologize, mate!

And yeah, he IS an Aussie joke! ;-)

Post by **Holt** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:14 am

PLATON wrote:Hey Holt,

Spaniard, Don't call me Junior and myself have asked you to post a photo of the jacket zipped up all the way, to see how big the neck is.

Why are you ignoring us?

....just sit tight...I will someday

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd · Post by **HWaltonJonesJr.Phd** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:08 pm

it. doesn't. fit.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:37 pm

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd wrote:it. doesn't. fit.

Am I missing a joke here? I think the fit is great.

Post by **Holt** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:40 pm

yeah..I'm missing it too...

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd · Post by **HWaltonJonesJr.Phd** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:08 pm

I guess its a Raiders thing... but it looks a bit small and short IMO.

A perfect Raiders jacket fit, zipped up, often looks tight at the straps on the side... and the panels spread open alot, making that upside down V.

maybe Raiders only meant for a partial zip??

anyway sorry Holt, no disrespect. most likely my own frustration that as winter approaches my jacket feels too tight...

Post by **Holt** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:13 pm

ha! yeah most likely...

the raiders jacket was REALLY short. 22.5'' backlength or so...its suppose to look short..

mine is 25''

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:45 am

Indiana Holt wrote:ha! yeah most likely...

the raiders jacket was REALLY short. 22.5'' backlength or so...its suppose to look short..

mine is 25''

What's the back length after shrinking?

you probably could ahve easily specied a back lenth of 24" and still been OK after the water treatment.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:34 am

Does it look so bad that you hesitate to show it?

HOLT wrote

....just sit tight...I will someday

PLATON wrote:
Hey Holt,

Spaniard, Don't call me Junior and myself have asked you to post a photo of the jacket zipped up all the way, to see how big the neck is.

Why are you ignoring us?

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:40 am

I wouldn't be suprised if it doesn't zip up too well. Holt looks broader in the chest than most, certainly much broader than Ford in Raiders. Good thing it looks so good unzipped! This jacket makes me look at my own jackets sadly, sad at what could have been, had I waited until I saw this! The collar is just as important as the pockets, I now realize.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:49 am

geez Platon..

i WILL someday..

I never actually wear the jacket all the way zipped up..so I keep on forgetting to take pictures of it while zipped all the way up.

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:56 am

I just can't buy the fact that Harrison's Raiders jacket was 22.5" in the back what with the TOD back at 26". They really fit about the same - maybe an 1" to 1.5" difference not a difference of 4.5 inches in the back.

Post by **Holt** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:14 am

well..there isnt anything to speculate about it.....Tony had the original.

Kevin Anderson · Post by **Kevin Anderson** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:17 am

Tony had ONE original....

rick5150 · Post by **rick5150** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:55 am

Indiana Holt wrote:well..there isnt anything to speculate about it.....Tony had the original.

If anything, Tony's jacket has raised more questions than it has answered for me. I would love to see a picture of the original jacket as I am sure Tony has some. I have had lambskin jackets shrink almost 2" in length and go from a jacket that fits great, to a jacket that is WAY too small. I would think that jacket has shrunk over time for sure and that we are basing "the jacket that matters" on a misconception.

Holt, your jackets always look great though. How did you allow the jacket to dry? I generally get shrinkage when I air dry lamb although many do not. I had my last few in a climate controlled office and they still shrunk.

I think that the last pictures show your jacket on the borderline of a perfect fit. You may be one rainstorm away from having it not fit right. That is one worry I have about my Wested lambs. You can take a few years to get it perfect and then it gets wet and all bets are off.

Don't Call Me Junior! · Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:03 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:geez Platon..

i WILL someday..

I never actually wear the jacket all the way zipped up..so I keep on forgetting to take pictures of it while zipped all the way up.

Thanks, Holt. I look forward to it. One of the reasons that I'm interested in post-soaked zipped pics is to see how much impact it had on the sizing. I thought the fit on the non-soaked looked perfect. The after pics do make the jacket a touch smaller to me but it's hard for me to gauge just how much with the jacket unzipped. I never had the nerve to soak any of my jackets thus far but your results look fantastic. However, since I DO wear my jackets zipped from time to time (especially on the motorcycle - the flapping would be unbelievable if I didn't zip it up!) I would like to know if I would need to size up my order in anticipation of potential shrinkage. I have seriously broad shoulders! Did you calculate this anticipated slight shrinkage into your order before you placed it with Peter? I appreciate your input as you have one of the best jackets that I've seen yet from Peter's shop!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:03 pm

Indiana Holt wrote: http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... iders3.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... iders5.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... iders4.jpg

From this set of pictures, Holt, I can say that it definitely resembles my jacket

"new-look" included hehe.

Send it to me and I'll take some comparison pictures.... only I cannot guarantee the return of it

;-)

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:04 pm

I've wondered that if the TN jacket was used in the outdoor scenes if it was the jacket Ford wore when he jumped into the river? Wouldn't a complete soaking shrink it up quite a bit and also have an effect on the leather, especially the salt water? Then you have to take into consideration that if it's the same jacket whether or not they had it cleaned after being soaking in salt water which could possibly be a second soaking if they washed it instead of a dry clean. There are many speculative perameters but I do agree with Rick and Coronado that there are more questions, especially relating to the sizes. A 4" difference is not something slight.

Don't Call Me Junior! · Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:13 pm

rick5150 wrote:
I think that the last pictures show your jacket on the borderline of a perfect fit. You may be one rainstorm away from having it not fit right. That is one worry I have about my Wested lambs. You can take a few years to get it perfect and then it gets wet and all bets are off.

For my own sanity check, is this a worry/observance about Wested lambs because those (Wested) are the only ones that you have tried and maybe another vendor's lambskin jacket you had did not shrink as much or is it because you only have had Wested lambskin jackets thus far? I'm certainly not a leather expert but I would think it (shrinkage when wet) would be a worry with any maker's lambskin jacket and not just Wested.

I'm just trying to educate myself here. Someday I will get the nerve to try this on one of my jackets. The question will be - which one?

Browncoat · Post by **Browncoat** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:35 pm

I am actually suprised that Wested's goat shrank. The body looks good but the sleeves now look short.

Was it just a shower treatment or full blown full cycle wash?

The overall look is still the best one yet. Now you just need to get the collar of the jacket to consistently hang lower on your right side.